fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I've been waiting 24/7 since 1999. I can wait another year or 2 as long as there is a plan and a real coach in place
we *almost* had it wit Walsh.. so close to having a real front office. Oh well...The plan is resign Melo and beg the gods a good PG falls into their laps.
Also throwing poop at walls.
If we're lucky we get a lliard/rondo type with out lottery pick next year which we can't trade. Then add free agents in 2015 or 2016
But we will screw this up by adding overpaid malcontents and injury riddled players before then
I had no problem giving up Gallo for Melo. Denver got greedy knowing the Knicks history And stripped us of every asset and picks we could've use to build a better team around Melo. Donnie was hesitant. Dohlan stepped in and here we are all these years later sitting at 11th in the worst eastern conference in NBA history. 21-33. Happy Knick Year!!
Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I've been waiting 24/7 since 1999. I can wait another year or 2 as long as there is a plan and a real coach in place
we *almost* had it wit Walsh.. so close to having a real front office. Oh well...The plan is resign Melo and beg the gods a good PG falls into their laps.
Also throwing poop at walls.
When a PG does fall into their Lap you saw they didn't know what to do with that.
did you say we could just get one anywhere? Dleague? Europe? Pierre Jackson is the next TJ Ford?
Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I've been waiting 24/7 since 1999. I can wait another year or 2 as long as there is a plan and a real coach in place
we *almost* had it wit Walsh.. so close to having a real front office. Oh well...The plan is resign Melo and beg the gods a good PG falls into their laps.
Also throwing poop at walls.
When a PG does fall into their Lap you saw they didn't know what to do with that.
Reality is that poison pill year is brutal. No one bit on Asik. The guy could have put a team over the top but that deal is just too much. Add Asik to OKC and they are almost a sure lock for a championship
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I've been waiting 24/7 since 1999. I can wait another year or 2 as long as there is a plan and a real coach in place
we *almost* had it wit Walsh.. so close to having a real front office. Oh well...The plan is resign Melo and beg the gods a good PG falls into their laps.
Also throwing poop at walls.
When a PG does fall into their Lap you saw they didn't know what to do with that.
did you say we could just get one anywhere? Dleague? Europe? Pierre Jackson is the next TJ Ford?
Yes you can get one from D league. A DLeaguer fell into the Knicks lap and it was Lin. That formula can be had again.
fishmike wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:fishmike wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Sort of ironic that he forced his way here.
We could have had Mosgov, Chandler, Gallo, 2X First round picks, and some other guys I forgot as assets.You reap what you Sow...
EMS
how can he force his way here, but not force a good trade? Did he lose his superpowers?
Your the guy posting 2005 trades? uh oh!
He could have walked here, had almost the same money and probably had one hell of a team around him.
I hate to say it, but at this point this year and next are done, shot, finished. Our only chance
is 2015.
he would have one hell of a team around him? What am I missing? Wilson Chandler walks because you need the cap space for Melo. In fact we might be WORSE if Melo walked here, because at least in that trade we got Billups who after being cut allowed us to get Tyson.
We're better off because the trade allowed us to get a player that we cut?!
I like melo but if he walks its not the end of the world. The Knicks needs to start looking towards 2015. they also need to start building somewhat through the draft for a change. I mean whether you love or hate melo you have to accept what he is. He is a great scorer, probably a top 3 scorer. However he isnt a great all around player like lebron durant kobe and others. Its not his fault its just the way he is made. Also melo is goign to be going into his 30's and eventually he will decline sooner rather than later
I am watching NBA TV and David Adlridge is interviewing Bryan Colangelo. He said that he is not surprised that the Knicks did not do anything since their plan is 2015.
So Dolan's plan is to stick it to us for 1.5 more years and they will recruit the top players in 2015.
Melo's gift to N.Y will be a guaranteed 2015 lottery pick. Why would he stay? This team is garbage and the only thing we have to look forward to in the short term is the summer league. There's no playoffs and no draft this year. I don't care what Melo says now, while he is sitting home watching all his friends compete for a championship, he will surely change his tune. wouldn't you?
Melo is as gone. End of story, time to move on. Hopefully we do well in the 2015 lottery and use our cap space wisely and build from there. Sucks, it reality isn't always what we want to hear
Rookie wrote:Melo's gift to N.Y will be a guaranteed 2015 lottery pick. Why would he stay? This team is garbage and the only thing we have to look forward to in the short term is the summer league. There's no playoffs and no draft this year. I don't care what Melo says now, while he is sitting home watching all his friends compete for a championship, he will surely change his tune. wouldn't you?Melo is as gone. End of story, time to move on. Hopefully we do well in the 2015 lottery and use our cap space wisely and build from there. Sucks, it reality isn't always what we want to hear
This. Next year the knicks are bad with or without melo so at least now we can get a good draft pick and then still have cap space for a few quality free agents
CrushAlot wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I've been waiting 24/7 since 1999. I can wait another year or 2 as long as there is a plan and a real coach in place
we *almost* had it wit Walsh.. so close to having a real front office. Oh well...The plan is resign Melo and beg the gods a good PG falls into their laps.
Also throwing poop at walls.
When a PG does fall into their Lap you saw they didn't know what to do with that.
Reality is that poison pill year is brutal. No one bit on Asik. The guy could have put a team over the top but that deal is just too much. Add Asik to OKC and they are almost a sure lock for a championship
OKC isn't mentally tough in the NBA finals even with Westtrook. Reg season isn't the finals they can't wing big yet , Harden was their piece they needed.
I wonder if Melo leaving would be the straw that breaks Dolan's back.
What will it take to get him to sell?
Not Melo leaving. Maybe a public scandal of Bernie madoff proportions where he is jailed and faces a massive lawsuit
Panos wrote:I wonder if Melo leaving would be the straw that breaks Dolan's back.
What will it take to get him to sell?
he isn't selling. Just have to hope he hires a real basketball guy to run things, let's him hire a coach and stays in the background.
fishmike wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:fishmike wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Sort of ironic that he forced his way here.
We could have had Mosgov, Chandler, Gallo, 2X First round picks, and some other guys I forgot as assets.You reap what you Sow...
EMS
how can he force his way here, but not force a good trade? Did he lose his superpowers?
Your the guy posting 2005 trades? uh oh!
He could have walked here, had almost the same money and probably had one hell of a team around him.
I hate to say it, but at this point this year and next are done, shot, finished. Our only chance
is 2015.
he would have one hell of a team around him? What am I missing? Wilson Chandler walks because you need the cap space for Melo. In fact we might be WORSE if Melo walked here, because at least in that trade we got Billups who after being cut allowed us to get Tyson.If that doesnt happen who is the center? Mosgov starts? Anthony Randolph? Gallo is always hurt. No Wilson Chandler, Ray Felton is still your guard... I mean it would be nice to have the picks in a year like this, I will give you that but that scenario doesnt look ANYTHING like "one hell of a team"
this is just awful reasoning, if you can even call it reasoning. the profound error here is that while we know the knicks suck with melo thanks to his refusal to wait and for his greed-- some knew beforehand the melo era would suck-- we will never be able to say the team would have been worse had he waited.
besides, win-now mode at the expense of building a proper foundation-- the celtics had perkins and rondo as well as pierce-- is sheer insanity. lastly, you have to find players who do not overlap, are not redundant, and are team-first players. you don't add a tweener sf-pf with the same flaws as the tweener sf-pf who is already here. i mean, didn't some fans realize that stoudemire and anthony would never mesh? we're not talking garnett and pierce here.
please spare me the tin-plated 54 wins-- without kidd and wallace the knicks are basically a .500 team least season.
the melo era is an unqualified disaster.
Melo era or the Donnie-MDA-Amare-Clusterfcuk..
U know, I have tons of respect for Amare..When he was healthy he gave us 100%..I didn't even want him amnestied given what he gave us in terms of effort for half a season..Hoping that he could find a way back...It's sad really after waiting for McDyss and H2O to come back from bad knees injuries, that this organization finds itself in this position again..I guess we wait until 2015 to get right..Amare's and Chandler's deals roll off, 37 mil of the cap..Sad..
holfresh wrote:Melo era or the Donnie-MDA-Amare-Clusterfcuk..
i choose to see matters as actions and reactions, not simply discrete events in separate vacuums.
you are trying to separate the melo era from the walsh/mda/amare one. that just won't fly. if you didn't like the donnie/mda/amare clusterfuck then you have to absolutely loathe the melo deal which simply compounded the problem, ie made it exponentially worse. the fact that you don't loathe it at this juncture of unqualified and epic fail shows very narrow thinking, perhaps even dishonesty... and for what? to protect poor carmelo anthony?
dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:Melo era or the Donnie-MDA-Amare-Clusterfcuk..
i choose to see matters as actions and reactions, not simply discrete events in separate vacuums.
you are trying to separate the melo era from the walsh/mda/amare one. that just won't fly. if you didn't like the donnie/mda/amare clusterfuck then you have to absolutely loathe the melo deal which simply compounded the problem, ie made it exponentially worse. the fact that you don't loathe it at this juncture of unqualified and epic fail shows very narrow thinking, perhaps even dishonesty... and for what? to protect poor carmelo anthony?
Yeah, what's the argument really? That an incompetent front office did everything poorly except the Melo trade? Kind of like a pitcher who has 35 starts, 34 losses, and 1 perfect game? There's a reason why that never happens.
dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:Melo era or the Donnie-MDA-Amare-Clusterfcuk..
i choose to see matters as actions and reactions, not simply discrete events in separate vacuums.
you are trying to separate the melo era from the walsh/mda/amare one. that just won't fly. if you didn't like the donnie/mda/amare clusterfuck then you have to absolutely loathe the melo deal which simply compounded the problem, ie made it exponentially worse. the fact that you don't loathe it at this juncture of unqualified and epic fail shows very narrow thinking, perhaps even dishonesty... and for what? to protect poor carmelo anthony?
No, it's the fact that you ignore the totality of the problem...And you focus on what u deem the be a singular issue..Who is living in a vacuum..U also seem to want to give certain player in this play a pass...Problem is that you are afraid of the tough questions..U run away when the heat is turned up...U also have a single tone...Melo...
