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What else to say.

Terrible

a coach firing worthy loss?

We win this game with shumpert

gunsnewing wrote:We win this game with shumpert

we win this game if Chandler knows how to dunk a ball.

franco12 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We win this game with shumpert

we win this game if Chandler knows how to dunk a ball.

Exactly. Hope he is reflective on his own play tonight. Also, it appears ther is another scrub that owns Tyson. That O'Quinn kid did what he wanted out there.

Now that I am more calm...after ranting off in the game thread....I feel that this game was an atrocity. NOBODY performed noticeably well on defense...On offense, Certain people played well...others like Jr Smith and Raymond Felton did not. The STUPID FATASS DUMBFUCK....missed 6 threes....Een though the Orlando's defense was trying to adjust and contain to Melo. Timmy had a strong offensive performance, 15 points...a little below 50% in field goals so not his best but sadly was one of the best. Howeer...I do not want to get started on his Defense. Jr. Smith..who had a fine first half...fucked up and went on to finih 4-14...not even 25% of shots were made...terrible IQ

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We win this game with shumpert

we win this game if Chandler knows how to dunk a ball.

Exactly. Hope he is reflective on his own play tonight. Also, it appears ther is another scrub that owns Tyson. That O'Quinn kid did what he wanted out there.

they should have traded Chandler.

If this organization were smart, they would have Tyler out there playing 30+ minutes, learning, doing.

You invest in your people in the hope they can be better.

Right now, I think Tyler, with his mistakes, is a more positive force for us than Chandler.

Tell ya what -- Clyde has a very good point about how Melo's being used. I managed to catch him on the Michael Kay show today and he said the same thing he reiterated on the telecast -- Melo is being leaned on way too heavily. He needs more rest in these games. When we were up 10-12 pts or whatever at one point, Clyde pointed out that it would've been a good time to get Melo a blow. He was right. With Amar'e, Timmy, JR, Ray to a degree (tonight anyway--he had it going) -- we could've put enough scoring on the court to buy a few mins. for him there. Then in the 4th qt., Melo came back in at the 9 min mark. Jumps the gun and reinserts Melo too early there, no? He's just not managing this guy correctly...Another thing -- we had absolutely no inside game at all down the stretch of regulation and throughout the OT periods. I mean Amar'e couldn't have gotten a look down the stretch? Dude looked good tonight. Or Tyler? He had some good moments tonight too. Say what you want about Woody -- a lot of these players have to take most of the blame for underperforming but this guy definitely doesn't get the most out of his roster. I just hate how safe he plays it -- in his mind, he's going down leaning hard on his vets no matter what. But then no Amar'e down the stretch when we could've used him. Just a very uneven effort by Woody in these games.

gunsnewing wrote:We win this game with shumpert

This is for you Guns.

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Shumpert's Absence Will Prove His Value to the Knicks

By Chris Herring

Updated Feb. 21, 2014 9:03 p.m. ET

Mike Woodson will miss Iman Shumpert more than fans might think. Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla.—Knick fans can be forgiven for believing that the loss of the injured Iman Shumpert for two weeks might actually help the team if Mike Woodson just gives his minutes to J.R. Smith or rookie Tim Hardaway, Jr.

Shumpert, who has been seemingly allergic to the idea of getting to the rim, can't compare to Smith or Hardaway on offense. Even though he's been shooting 35% from three-point range (right at league-average), opponents have usually been comfortable leaving him open, in part because he only takes about three triples a game. So it wasn't very surprising when Woodson said Friday that he'd consider letting Smith start for the rest of the season if the team plays well while Shumpert is out.

But there's reason to think that Shumpert is much more valuable than he appears. The Knicks score more when he's on the court (105 points per 100 plays) than with Smith (104) or Hardaway (102). And Shumpert's rebounding rate of 9.8% is fourth-best in the NBA among guards, better than Smith (7.3%) or Hardaway (4.1%), both of whom are an inch taller than Shumpert.

Defensively, Shumpert has a tendency to be overaggressive, but the Knicks have surrendered just 102 points per 100 plays when he's on the floor, a figure that would rank the Knicks eighth-best in the NBA. When Shumpert goes to the bench, that number swells to 109 points per 100 plays, which is dead last. (With Smith and Hardaway, the Knicks allows 107.7 and 109.4 points per 100 plays, respectively, according to NBA.com.)

One reason for the disparity: The veteran-laden Knicks, who use double-teams on defense more than any other NBA team, are usually too slow when they use anyone but Shumpert to double.

A look back through game films reveals that opposing teams are scoring 48.2% of the time (53-of-110) when the Knicks use someone other than Shumpert to double-team in the post. But they allow baskets just 20.4% of the time (9-of-44) when Shumpert is bringing the double-team. According to Synergy Sports, the former rate would qualify as the best rate in the league, while the latter would easily rank as the worst.

Here's a good example: On Tuesday night in Memphis, with Shumpert on the bench, the Grizzlies' Mike Miller hit a critical three-pointer in the closing moments of what should have been a Knicks victory. Miller was wide open because Pablo Prigioni was busy double-teaming Memphis's Zach Randolph and couldn't get back to the perimeter in time to contest the shot.

The Knicks could find themselves the victims of this sort of play over the next week, as the Knicks will play four of the NBA's top-10 three-point shooting clubs.

Smith said the Knicks are essentially instructed to always double-team in the post once the ball reaches a certain point, regardless of who has the ball. "When we've got a guy going toward the paint, our scheme is to go double automatically," Smith said earlier this month when asked why the Knicks would consistently double-teamed Portland's Robin Lopez in a loss to the Trail Blazers.

Now, with Shumpert out and teams ready to take advantage of that habit, the Knicks may want to re-think their strategy.

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We win this game with shumpert

This is for you Guns.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...

Shumpert's Absence Will Prove His Value to the Knicks

By Chris Herring

Updated Feb. 21, 2014 9:03 p.m. ET

Mike Woodson will miss Iman Shumpert more than fans might think. Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla.—Knick fans can be forgiven for believing that the loss of the injured Iman Shumpert for two weeks might actually help the team if Mike Woodson just gives his minutes to J.R. Smith or rookie Tim Hardaway, Jr.

Shumpert, who has been seemingly allergic to the idea of getting to the rim, can't compare to Smith or Hardaway on offense. Even though he's been shooting 35% from three-point range (right at league-average), opponents have usually been comfortable leaving him open, in part because he only takes about three triples a game. So it wasn't very surprising when Woodson said Friday that he'd consider letting Smith start for the rest of the season if the team plays well while Shumpert is out.

But there's reason to think that Shumpert is much more valuable than he appears. The Knicks score more when he's on the court (105 points per 100 plays) than with Smith (104) or Hardaway (102). And Shumpert's rebounding rate of 9.8% is fourth-best in the NBA among guards, better than Smith (7.3%) or Hardaway (4.1%), both of whom are an inch taller than Shumpert.

Defensively, Shumpert has a tendency to be overaggressive, but the Knicks have surrendered just 102 points per 100 plays when he's on the floor, a figure that would rank the Knicks eighth-best in the NBA. When Shumpert goes to the bench, that number swells to 109 points per 100 plays, which is dead last. (With Smith and Hardaway, the Knicks allows 107.7 and 109.4 points per 100 plays, respectively, according to NBA.com.)

One reason for the disparity: The veteran-laden Knicks, who use double-teams on defense more than any other NBA team, are usually too slow when they use anyone but Shumpert to double.

A look back through game films reveals that opposing teams are scoring 48.2% of the time (53-of-110) when the Knicks use someone other than Shumpert to double-team in the post. But they allow baskets just 20.4% of the time (9-of-44) when Shumpert is bringing the double-team. According to Synergy Sports, the former rate would qualify as the best rate in the league, while the latter would easily rank as the worst.

Here's a good example: On Tuesday night in Memphis, with Shumpert on the bench, the Grizzlies' Mike Miller hit a critical three-pointer in the closing moments of what should have been a Knicks victory. Miller was wide open because Pablo Prigioni was busy double-teaming Memphis's Zach Randolph and couldn't get back to the perimeter in time to contest the shot.

The Knicks could find themselves the victims of this sort of play over the next week, as the Knicks will play four of the NBA's top-10 three-point shooting clubs.

Smith said the Knicks are essentially instructed to always double-team in the post once the ball reaches a certain point, regardless of who has the ball. "When we've got a guy going toward the paint, our scheme is to go double automatically," Smith said earlier this month when asked why the Knicks would consistently double-teamed Portland's Robin Lopez in a loss to the Trail Blazers.

Now, with Shumpert out and teams ready to take advantage of that habit, the Knicks may want to re-think their strategy.

I know. I'm always right

Finestrg wrote:Tell ya what -- Clyde has a very good point about how Melo's being used. I managed to catch him on the Michael Kay show today and he said the same thing he reiterated on the telecast -- Melo is being leaned on way too heavily. He needs more rest in these games. When we were up 10-12 pts or whatever at one point, Clyde pointed out that it would've been a good time to get Melo a blow. He was right. With Amar'e, Timmy, JR, Ray to a degree (tonight anyway--he had it going) -- we could've put enough scoring on the court to buy a few mins. for him there. Then in the 4th qt., Melo came back in at the 9 min mark. Jumps the gun and reinserts Melo too early there, no? He's just not managing this guy correctly...Another thing -- we had absolutely no inside game at all down the stretch of regulation and throughout the OT periods. I mean Amar'e couldn't have gotten a look down the stretch? Dude looked good tonight. Or Tyler? He had some good moments tonight too. Say what you want about Woody -- a lot of these players have to take most of the blame for underperforming but this guy definitely doesn't get the most out of his roster. I just hate how safe he plays it -- in his mind, he's going down leaning hard on his vets no matter what. But then no Amar'e down the stretch when we could've used him. Just a very uneven effort by Woody in these games.

I saw that same thing - we were up and guys were in a grove - that is when you need to sit Melo.

in other news... Felton still shops at Old Navy

now that is turrrrrrible for a guy making... 3.5 mill?

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Jesus Christ he's embarrassing. I don't understand how a coach can be so oblivious to game situations, and consistently throughout the season! I don't think we've taken advantage of a 2-for-1 all season!

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Jesus Christ he's embarrassing. I don't understand how a coach can be so oblivious to game situations, and consistently throughout the season! I don't think we've taken advantage of a 2-for-1 all season!

I posted it in the game thread! WTF!

I'd love to know the stats on the Knicks running plays out of time outs- must be one of the worst in the NBA!

franco12 wrote:

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Jesus Christ he's embarrassing. I don't understand how a coach can be so oblivious to game situations, and consistently throughout the season! I don't think we've taken advantage of a 2-for-1 all season!

I posted it in the game thread! WTF!

I'd love to know the stats on the Knicks running plays out of time outs- must be one of the worst in the NBA!

It's really unbelievable, he fails at the most basic level of coaching. And you're absolutely right about plays out of time outs, if you can even call them plays since all they are is dumping the ball to Melo 20 feet from the basket.

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franco12 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

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Jesus Christ he's embarrassing. I don't understand how a coach can be so oblivious to game situations, and consistently throughout the season! I don't think we've taken advantage of a 2-for-1 all season!

I posted it in the game thread! WTF!

I'd love to know the stats on the Knicks running plays out of time outs- must be one of the worst in the NBA!

It's really unbelievable, he fails at the most basic level of coaching. And you're absolutely right about plays out of time outs, if you can even call them plays since all they are is dumping the ball to Melo 20 feet from the basket.

I think we had one play out of a time out that converted in tonights game - I believe THjr took and made the shot. But I can't remember the last time I remember them converting- and I've now been paying close attention since it is so horrible.

Turrable...........

Wife and I enjoyed Some "House of Cards" tonite. Second season. Very good.

Mrs. Nalod; "You got a game on tonite"? "No baby, not tonite!"
Mrs. Nalod: "you cancel League Pass?" "No baby, I opted out!"

STAY THIRSTY MY FRIENDS

why does toure murray not play?

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We win this game with shumpert

This is for you Guns.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...

Shumpert's Absence Will Prove His Value to the Knicks

I know. I'm always right

By Chris Herring

Updated Feb. 21, 2014 9:03 p.m. ET

Mike Woodson will miss Iman Shumpert more than fans might think. Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla.—Knick fans can be forgiven for believing that the loss of the injured Iman Shumpert for two weeks might actually help the team if Mike Woodson just gives his minutes to J.R. Smith or rookie Tim Hardaway, Jr.

Shumpert, who has been seemingly allergic to the idea of getting to the rim, can't compare to Smith or Hardaway on offense. Even though he's been shooting 35% from three-point range (right at league-average), opponents have usually been comfortable leaving him open, in part because he only takes about three triples a game. So it wasn't very surprising when Woodson said Friday that he'd consider letting Smith start for the rest of the season if the team plays well while Shumpert is out.

But there's reason to think that Shumpert is much more valuable than he appears. The Knicks score more when he's on the court (105 points per 100 plays) than with Smith (104) or Hardaway (102). And Shumpert's rebounding rate of 9.8% is fourth-best in the NBA among guards, better than Smith (7.3%) or Hardaway (4.1%), both of whom are an inch taller than Shumpert.

Defensively, Shumpert has a tendency to be overaggressive, but the Knicks have surrendered just 102 points per 100 plays when he's on the floor, a figure that would rank the Knicks eighth-best in the NBA. When Shumpert goes to the bench, that number swells to 109 points per 100 plays, which is dead last. (With Smith and Hardaway, the Knicks allows 107.7 and 109.4 points per 100 plays, respectively, according to NBA.com.)

One reason for the disparity: The veteran-laden Knicks, who use double-teams on defense more than any other NBA team, are usually too slow when they use anyone but Shumpert to double.

A look back through game films reveals that opposing teams are scoring 48.2% of the time (53-of-110) when the Knicks use someone other than Shumpert to double-team in the post. But they allow baskets just 20.4% of the time (9-of-44) when Shumpert is bringing the double-team. According to Synergy Sports, the former rate would qualify as the best rate in the league, while the latter would easily rank as the worst.

Here's a good example: On Tuesday night in Memphis, with Shumpert on the bench, the Grizzlies' Mike Miller hit a critical three-pointer in the closing moments of what should have been a Knicks victory. Miller was wide open because Pablo Prigioni was busy double-teaming Memphis's Zach Randolph and couldn't get back to the perimeter in time to contest the shot.

The Knicks could find themselves the victims of this sort of play over the next week, as the Knicks will play four of the NBA's top-10 three-point shooting clubs.

Smith said the Knicks are essentially instructed to always double-team in the post once the ball reaches a certain point, regardless of who has the ball. "When we've got a guy going toward the paint, our scheme is to go double automatically," Smith said earlier this month when asked why the Knicks would consistently double-teamed Portland's Robin Lopez in a loss to the Trail Blazers.

Now, with Shumpert out and teams ready to take advantage of that habit, the Knicks may want to re-think their strategy.

In terms of the rebounding rate, Shumpert deserves credit. With the defensive #s, my guess is that at least part of the issue is that Shumpert is playing more min with Melo and Tyson while JR and Hardaway are playing more min with Amare and other bench players up front.