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Mark Cuban favors D-League to college one-and-done

Mar 1

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is not a fan of the NCAA and the rule that requires players to be one year removed from high school and at least 19 years old before entering the NBA.

Cuban thinks the NBA Development League is preferable to a year in college, saying the one-and-done players are not prepared mentally and emotionally for the NBA.

“I think what will end up happening — and this is my opinion, not that of the league — is if the colleges don’t change from the one-and-done, we’ll go after the one,” Cuban said, according to ESPNDallas.com. “The NCAA rules are so hypocritical, there’s absolutely no reason for a kid to go (to college) because he’s not going to class.

“He’s actually not even able to take advantage of all the fun because the first semester he starts playing basketball. So if the goal is just to graduate to the NBA or be an NBA player, go to the D-League.”

I think the D League does a good job in terms of development, much better than the past, because teams give up on players that they once drafted to potential

Speaking of Cuban

Wonder if Marion is part of Dallas's future plans

if we would be able to trade for one of their backups in Larkin/Gal Mekel

Is Marion worth gambling on with or without Melo at his age? And at what price do you think he is worth?

If the NBA took the D-League more serious, we would have a hungry bunch of hard working young players wanting to come up to the big league and travel in private Jets and not ride the bus anymore.

We should leave college ball for those who are going to school for a degree 1st and basketball 2nd.
And the players who want to go pro, let them prove themselves bypassing making universities rich for one year by working hard in the D-League so that pro teams will learn the work ethic of each young player. Let the NCAA keep getting weaker by strengthening the D.League

Following this plan, what if a player gets injured in their 1st year in the dleague and their nba chances are ruined? Much better to be in college and continue getting an education than rehab only to be stuck in dleague for the rest of your career, making the pitiful near minimum-wage level salary of $17,000 that the dleague offers on average.

playa2 wrote:If the NBA took the D-League more serious, we would have a hungry bunch of hard working young players wanting to come up to the big league and travel in private Jets and not ride the bus anymore.

We should leave college ball for those who are going to school for a degree 1st and basketball 2nd.
And the players who want to go pro, let them prove themselves bypassing making universities rich for one year by working hard in the D-League so that pro teams will learn the work ethic of each young player. Let the NCAA keep getting weaker by strengthening the D.League

The d league is becoming more of a farm system/developmemtal league for some teams. Morey and the Rockets have really taken advantage of the 2 players on a roster rule and have had Canaan and Covington developing all year there. Both of those guys have a lot more polish to their game. Canaan's situation made it easy for them to trade Brooks to Denver. Covington has blown up in the d l and when a roster spot opened they signed another guy from their d league affiliate, Troy Daniels. Cleveland is doing a similar thing. They hired a well respected developmental coach, have had some of their guys down there most of the year and signed Arinze Onuaku when a roster spot opened up. Onuaku is a beast and probably was a first round pick coming out of Cuse if he didn't get hurt. I am sure there are other teams that do just as good a job. With this cba teams need to look at all options and the d league is a great one.

On a side note I am really excited about the Knicks getting a d league team in the county center. I grew going there to see the globetrotters and running track there in the winter. It is within walking distance of my sister's old apartment and I used to pass it everyday going home when I worked in White Plains back in the day. It is a lot of money to take my family to msg to see a game. I live upstate now and we usually go to Cleveland to see the Knicks as I can get good seats on stub hub at a good price and take 95 right to the stadium. However, my guess is d league tickets would be pretty affordable and we could definitely catch a game when I am back home and hopefully see a rookie sent down to get some run or a guy on rehab there. I will go no matter what.

I feel like this is no win situation for the league. They pushed for the rule to protect themselves but also the NCAA provides a lot of free publicity for their players and future stats. Guys like Anthony Davis were stars before they came into the league. I am all for Cuban's suggestion. The league has a lot of players that lack fundamentals. In addition outside of free advertisement, most of these players aren't learning a lot since they are basically allowed to do whatever they want.

i have been a BIG TIME advocate of the D-League for years. I think it solves the "age" limit debate. while i think every HS kid should have the right to go pro, that doesnt mean they have the right to sit on an NBA bench and rot. Instead of going to college and making a mockery of the term "student athlete", instead of going to college and being exploited by the NCAA for money, i think every kid should have the right to go pro. and by Pro i mean straight to the D league and get paid 30,000. There they can humble themselves by riding buses in Iowa, take workshops on how to save money and invest, mature with their behavior and most of all concentrate on basketball 24/7. Leave NCAA basketball for the students who want to play basketball.

in order for the league to be legit, there needs
- 30 D-League teams for 30 NBA teams
- rule changes that allow callups (just like in baseball)
- owners have to invest in this league as well
- televise these games (actually theyre on youtube). instead of draft picks going to siberia (literally), one can watch their development

playa2 wrote:Mark Cuban favors D-League to college one-and-done

Mar 1

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is not a fan of the NCAA and the rule that requires players to be one year removed from high school and at least 19 years old before entering the NBA.

Cuban thinks the NBA Development League is preferable to a year in college, saying the one-and-done players are not prepared mentally and emotionally for the NBA.

“I think what will end up happening — and this is my opinion, not that of the league — is if the colleges don’t change from the one-and-done, we’ll go after the one,” Cuban said, according to ESPNDallas.com. “The NCAA rules are so hypocritical, there’s absolutely no reason for a kid to go (to college) because he’s not going to class.

“He’s actually not even able to take advantage of all the fun because the first semester he starts playing basketball. So if the goal is just to graduate to the NBA or be an NBA player, go to the D-League.”

If you read the whole article instead of pulling out certain quotes you might find some objectivity in his statement. Basically is saying that the one and done is a joke and the kid is really not going to school. OK, but he is also saying they should stay longer to gain the maturity IF they are college material.

MY take was he thinks the D-league needs to provide an environment that can help a kid get maturity and should provide tuition snd education while playing in the d-league.

Baseball does this and money is put away that if they flame out, they have money for college.

But now your asking for the league to provide "workshops" and otherwise be responsible for a kids maturity? Educational opportunities?

To me instead of the ncaa being the "Plantation owner" then who becomes in charge? You think the NBA really cares about the welfare of its players that don't make to the NBA level? YOu really think the NBA will invest in an infrastructure that can provide for just a few kids each year?

To me a hybrid should be a kid can be drafted out of high school and let the NBA team pay for his education. IN the summer, he can intern like any other kid and play summer ball and be paid. Say up to $100,000 and a car. If he does not go to class, then he drops out like any other kid. The school is not giving him a scholarship so its not their problem. NCAA lets a baskeball player play minor league Baseball and not effect his status.

If a kid is on scholarship, he should adhere to the rules as they are, but if he pays his own way, or is "sponsored" then he need only adhere to the academic standards of the school to matriculate as a student.

Perhaps a limit to how many players per year can be sponsored and teams will have to decide if the time develop a kid is worth it. By that, could a team keep tanking and getting high draft picks each year and do this? No, maybe limit it one kid every three years with a top 10 lottery pick. This way franchises can't tank year after year.

Im sure there are problems with this I have not thought out, but every alternative has them also, including the current system.

Cube is on the right track but there are many details that Im not sure the Dleague can satisfy. One thing is it has to be economically viable. Minor league baseball makes a lot of money for its owners. Does the D-league? Ncaa "plantation" also makes money but the reality is Football and Basketball fund a lot of scholarships in non revenue sports and gives lots of students great benefits. The sports bring a culture to a campus and to many towns.

This would all be so brilliant and happy if college basketball wasn't the huge business it is.
The NCAA isn't in the business of building fine, upstanding citizens who are a credit to the educational abilities of their alma mater.

They are a cash cow business, driven by the crazed zaniness of the majority of Americans who view March Madness like it's some extended Super Bowl event. Div 1 Men's basketball is a cutthroat business, that uses up kids like so much cheap, single ply toilet paper.

Taking life hints from a manic goof who managed to parlay a sports site into a few billion dollars and thinks stockpiling toothpaste is a key to good financial living is just slightly frightening.

Then again, maybe the world should be run by dot.com billionaires...

Nalod wrote:

playa2 wrote:Mark Cuban favors D-League to college one-and-done

Mar 1

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is not a fan of the NCAA and the rule that requires players to be one year removed from high school and at least 19 years old before entering the NBA.

Cuban thinks the NBA Development League is preferable to a year in college, saying the one-and-done players are not prepared mentally and emotionally for the NBA.

“I think what will end up happening — and this is my opinion, not that of the league — is if the colleges don’t change from the one-and-done, we’ll go after the one,” Cuban said, according to ESPNDallas.com. “The NCAA rules are so hypocritical, there’s absolutely no reason for a kid to go (to college) because he’s not going to class.

“He’s actually not even able to take advantage of all the fun because the first semester he starts playing basketball. So if the goal is just to graduate to the NBA or be an NBA player, go to the D-League.”

If you read the whole article instead of pulling out certain quotes you might find some objectivity in his statement. Basically is saying that the one and done is a joke and the kid is really not going to school. OK, but he is also saying they should stay longer to gain the maturity IF they are college material.

MY take was he thinks the D-league needs to provide an environment that can help a kid get maturity and should provide tuition snd education while playing in the d-league.

Baseball does this and money is put away that if they flame out, they have money for college.

But now your asking for the league to provide "workshops" and otherwise be responsible for a kids maturity? Educational opportunities?

To me instead of the ncaa being the "Plantation owner" then who becomes in charge? You think the NBA really cares about the welfare of its players that don't make to the NBA level? YOu really think the NBA will invest in an infrastructure that can provide for just a few kids each year?

To me a hybrid should be a kid can be drafted out of high school and let the NBA team pay for his education. IN the summer, he can intern like any other kid and play summer ball and be paid. Say up to $100,000 and a car. If he does not go to class, then he drops out like any other kid. The school is not giving him a scholarship so its not their problem. NCAA lets a baskeball player play minor league Baseball and not effect his status.

If a kid is on scholarship, he should adhere to the rules as they are, but if he pays his own way, or is "sponsored" then he need only adhere to the academic standards of the school to matriculate as a student.

Perhaps a limit to how many players per year can be sponsored and teams will have to decide if the time develop a kid is worth it. By that, could a team keep tanking and getting high draft picks each year and do this? No, maybe limit it one kid every three years with a top 10 lottery pick. This way franchises can't tank year after year.

Im sure there are problems with this I have not thought out, but every alternative has them also, including the current system.

Cube is on the right track but there are many details that Im not sure the Dleague can satisfy. One thing is it has to be economically viable. Minor league baseball makes a lot of money for its owners. Does the D-league? Ncaa "plantation" also makes money but the reality is Football and Basketball fund a lot of scholarships in non revenue sports and gives lots of students great benefits. The sports bring a culture to a campus and to many towns.

Interesting, what if they opened up the draft to be 3-5rounds. NBA can draft kids out of high school and keep there rights as they enter college. They can choose to keep them in college or bring them up after the first yr to the team or D-league? With players already being drafted by teams. Focus can then be put on player development.

In college maybe they should allow basketball to be a major and include everything from agent, coaching philosophy, broadcasting and everything that has to do with basketball in the curriculum?

We talking about the NBA drafting 60 kids a year including Euro-Stashed.

So of them how many are true prospects? 40?

40 kids, half won't be in the leauge in three years.

So econmically the NBA were to invest millions into a small sample of kids?

NCAA succeeds not because of a few star players this we know. College ball is doing just fine so taking out few kids wont' kill it.

personaly I like the idea of a minor league of sorts but if if you think NCAA is a "Plantation", look at the MLB minor systems.

Nalod wrote:We talking about the NBA drafting 60 kids a year including Euro-Stashed.

So of them how many are true prospects? 40?

40 kids, half won't be in the leauge in three years.

So econmically the NBA were to invest millions into a small sample of kids?

NCAA succeeds not because of a few star players this we know. College ball is doing just fine so taking out few kids wont' kill it.

personaly I like the idea of a minor league of sorts but if if you think NCAA is a "Plantation", look at the MLB minor systems.

I agree that the NCAA is making a killing off of these kids, but on the flipside these kids have the chance to audition in front of millions and work on their craft with top notch trainers and facilities.

Just think, guys like Rose, carmelo, Wade, wall, Blake griffin all got to audition in front of millions, this gave them the opportunity to showcase their skills, and in turn get drafted to make millions upon millions.. would they have had this opportunity otherwise?

And on top of that ,they are not force to play collegiate ball, it is a choice..

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:We talking about the NBA drafting 60 kids a year including Euro-Stashed.

So of them how many are true prospects? 40?

40 kids, half won't be in the leauge in three years.

So econmically the NBA were to invest millions into a small sample of kids?

NCAA succeeds not because of a few star players this we know. College ball is doing just fine so taking out few kids wont' kill it.

personaly I like the idea of a minor league of sorts but if if you think NCAA is a "Plantation", look at the MLB minor systems.

I agree that the NCAA is making a killing off of these kids, but on the flipside these kids have the chance to audition in front of millions and work on their craft with top notch trainers and facilities.

Just think, guys like Rose, carmelo, Wade, wall, Blake griffin all got to audition in front of millions, this gave them the opportunity to showcase their skills, and in turn get drafted to make millions upon millions.. would they have had this opportunity otherwise?

And on top of that ,they are not force to play collegiate ball, it is a choice..

Yeah, these guys are can't miss talents that would find their way to the NBA no matter what...These guys were on people's radars before college..

I still like the idea of kids going to college to be in a "safe" environment amongst their peers...For the one or two guys that make the pros maybe 4 others might be exposed to a real college education...I'm just throwing numbers out here, no real stats to back it up...I kind of like the idea of giving these kids a little money in college...Let's get real, they know who is really bringing to money in these Universities...Coaches are making up and over 5 mil per with endorsement deals while the kids get nothing...They can find a medium but there is too much greed out there...

Jeremy tyler didn't even finish high school and he was able to earn a living, so its not like a slave trade meat market. On Playa's "Plantation" he assumes the stadiums/Arenas and TV exposure as well as Food, Dorms, heath benefits, along with a financial network that if they don't turn out as professional players offers them opportunities beyond basketball. Some go into coaching, get their masters degree and go to other professions.

Lets not be stereotypical here that every player is a sure fire NBA prospect at the age of 12 and by 16 should be player pro ball like in Europe or in latin america with baseball.

I'm tired of the NCAA making professional money in a supposedly Amateur sport from TV Revenue from these kids. The revenue benefits the entire University and all the other sports programs. We have people here saying the kids are being showcased in front of Millions for free.

playa2 wrote:I'm tired of the NCAA making professional money in a supposedly Amateur sport from TV Revenue from these kids. The revenue benefits the entire University and all the other sports programs. We have people here saying the kids are being showcased in front of Millions for free.

"We have people here saying........"

Whom?

BTW, should the tickets be free?

yes it benefits the whole university. They do research and sell the technology or medical findings and earn money that way too. They run sports camps, writing camps, and tech summer programs.

Its also how they can bring in kids from other lands to earn an education. Duke does this in a 6,000 seat arena. Its tiny. They get money from TV, but thats because they are watched by millions.

A 4 year duke scholarship is worth about $250,000. They get all expenses paid for, don't have to pay a trainer or a coach, they get to demonstrate their ability and learn about life. Some leave early, some stay. Depends on the job market for them.

They don't have to stay, they could leave. They have no stipulations they need to fulfill, nobody makes them stay. they can leave at any time and seek employment to those who want them.

In fact, they don't even have to play basketball at all. They can drop out of school after age 16 an work anywhere! Pro teams in europe, Japan, or Mcdonalds perhaps Burger King!!!! Imagine all those profits off the backs of 16 year old workers! They get paid minimum wage?