RonRon wrote:If Phil Jackson does take the job, I have a feeling he will lure Ron Harper who played for The Bulls and Lakers to build on his philosophy
Either as an assistant coach or development coach
It makes sense because we likely will need to develop a PG for our future and in addition to building the philosophy of the triangle as a team
love ron harper he'd be a great guy to have working with young defensive-minded players
We have never seen Phil Jackson start from scratch and complete anything in the Association.
Why give him all this street cred?
dk7th wrote:RonRon wrote:If Phil Jackson does take the job, I have a feeling he will lure Ron Harper who played for The Bulls and Lakers to build on his philosophy
Either as an assistant coach or development coach
It makes sense because we likely will need to develop a PG for our future and in addition to building the philosophy of the triangle as a team
love ron harper he'd be a great guy to have working with young defensive-minded players
What about Herb? What is he gonna teach?
Phil is a coach, has he ever been involed in player movement? Magis was a great player and leader, but was a bafoon as a coach
knicks1248 wrote:Phil is a coach, has he ever been involed in player movement? Magis was a great player and leader, but was a bafoon as a coach
Knicks1248, Why haven't people seen this for what it really is. SMH LOL
playa2 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Phil is a coach, has he ever been involed in player movement? Magis was a great player and leader, but was a bafoon as a coach
Knicks1248, Why haven't people seen this for what it really is. SMH LOL
I'm not sure, stick a big name in the front office and were on our way...REALLY?
dk7th wrote:RonRon wrote:If Phil Jackson does take the job, I have a feeling he will lure Ron Harper who played for The Bulls and Lakers to build on his philosophy
Either as an assistant coach or development coach
It makes sense because we likely will need to develop a PG for our future and in addition to building the philosophy of the triangle as a team
love ron harper he'd be a great guy to have working with young defensive-minded players
Always a solid player and excellent defender. Is he an assistant anywhere now? He used to be on the Pistons staff way back, I think.
you guys don't think phil ever had a say on what players he wanted to bring in while coaching?
I'll take an unknown over what we currently have in the FO...
Bottom line is, Phil does have the name recognition, and the only way we're going to get him to accept is by promising him autonomy, which is the main reason to have hope. I have absolutely 0 faith Dolan is willing to give that to anyone else.
I heard if PJ11 becomes president people feel he will bring in Steve Kerr to replace Woody. Thoughts?
playa2 wrote:We have never seen Phil Jackson start from scratch and complete anything in the Association.Why give him all this street cred?
when he said the knicks roster was "clumsy" and he was proven 100% correct i think that says something.
also, if he were to institute the triangle he would be looking to find players with skills at positions to flesh out that system. you know... kind of like walsh and d'antoni were trying to do before being shoved aside and shown the door.
you have a plan, a system, and you build according to that plan and system.
i see a scenario where phil gets paid equal or more than anthony-- if he decides to retain anthiny at all, that is. i mean lets face it, there is a hint here that jordan and bryant have succeeded in part due to being able to run the triangle, where other kinds of offensive systems would not allow them to be as successful, especially bryant. there is a possibility that one reason jackson is being spoken of at all is because the triangle could suit anthiny and help him succeed.
it is really up to how smart and good a decision maker anthiny could become. history has shown he is bad at it, given that he was used by d'antoni as something akin to a point forward for a minute.
won't believe anything until I see a WoJo tweet.
playa2 wrote:We have never seen Phil Jackson start from scratch and complete anything in the Association.Why give him all this street cred?
No two situations are the same - but 11 titles is worth something. Just as import I don't think he signs unless he gets complete control and if that removes DOLAN from the decision making that's a huge plus.
Phil would need complete autonomy or this means nothing. Also, he'd have to have the desire to interact with players and attend practices. What made Phil special is his interaction with players and teaching fundamentals. If he's just a figurehead who needs Dolans approval, forget it.
Didn't Larry Brown have great autonomy? Isiah? Walsh (until the ill fated Melo trade). My point is that best I can tell the history of this owner is that he recruits absolute top names for the front office, spends a fortune doing it, and, with the exception of Melo meddling, seems to me he's allowed too much authority, rather than not given it.
Larry didn't work out, Isiah disaster, etc, but, the actual history of this owner seems to me that he does in fact, grant significant latitude to front office (see Sather) to do as they see fit.
Except when it comes time to trade every draft pick and asset to fill the garden. Only reason Rangers are doing well now is because the landscape of the nhl change drastically after the full season lock out. It forced Sather and the Rangers to draft and develop their own talent. Something I'm hopeful will happen to the NBA and the Knicks ONE DAY.
Also Dolan doesn't care enough to meddle with the Rangers. He never sat down with a ranger free agent like he did with melo.
Knicks22 wrote:
Didn't Larry Brown have great autonomy? Isiah? Walsh (until the ill fated Melo trade). My point is that best I can tell the history of this owner is that he recruits absolute top names for the front office, spends a fortune doing it, and, with the exception of Melo meddling, seems to me he's allowed too much authority, rather than not given it.Larry didn't work out, Isiah disaster, etc, but, the actual history of this owner seems to me that he does in fact, grant significant latitude to front office (see Sather) to do as they see fit.
You maybe right judging from that god awful trade (ariza for francis) but to many cooks in the kitchen is never a good thing, and with mills, houston, and a slew of other front office exec's it will be interesting to see how this will wrk out.
Doland had every right to step in and throw mosgov into the trade to get denver to except..I just think Grunwald fail to do a good job in ironing out the differences with Melo and MDA..
I really have been amazed at the level of negative articles around the web and statements here on the idea of bringing in Phil Jackson. There's literally nothing this franchise could do that would elicit a positive reaction at this point, if adding the winningest coach to your franchise can't be seen as a positive move. To me the biggest issue is what kind of leader Phil is. I believe he's a very good leader and tho i've always felt that he was the most fortunate coach having had some of the greatest talent ever to coach, on top of that his handling of those teams was very much a management situation. He always had very capable staff and there was a very similar approach to the way his teams were built and I don't think that was an accident. I believe Phil had a lot to do with those decisions.
dk7th wrote:playa2 wrote:We have never seen Phil Jackson start from scratch and complete anything in the Association.Why give him all this street cred?
when he said the knicks roster was "clumsy" and he was proven 100% correct i think that says something.
also, if he were to institute the triangle he would be looking to find players with skills at positions to flesh out that system. you know... kind of like walsh and d'antoni were trying to do before being shoved aside and shown the door.
you have a plan, a system, and you build according to that plan and system.
i see a scenario where phil gets paid equal or more than anthony-- if he decides to retain anthiny at all, that is. i mean lets face it, there is a hint here that jordan and bryant have succeeded in part due to being able to run the triangle, where other kinds of offensive systems would not allow them to be as successful, especially bryant. there is a possibility that one reason jackson is being spoken of at all is because the triangle could suit anthiny and help him succeed.
it is really up to how smart and good a decision maker anthiny could become. history has shown he is bad at it, given that he was used by d'antoni as something akin to a point forward for a minute.
You mean how Walsh's big 2010 FA signing was a guy that D'antoni didn't even want?
