Knicks · Have to keep Melo (page 4)
However, if he is willing to structure his contract so we can lure UFA's in 2015, I would gladly do so
In the end, HOW MUCH IS A PAY CUT?
The less he makes, the more room we have to add talent around with him....
If he is able to make $20m + on every year but 2015, preferably under 15m in 2015, I don't see him taking that big of a pay cut for the better of the team
In fact I think it would still be the best offer he would receive in the open market
If he isn't satisfied with that salary, isn't willing to wait till 2015, and wants to leave, I hope he keeps it in the house and allows us to get something back in a SIGN and TRADE
I prefer sending him to Houston, sending him out West, to a team with many draft picks in the future, and most importantly 2nd rounders in this DEEP DRAFT this summer
I am looking at 2 2nd round picks, 2 1st round picks, along with Lin and Asik, if we can get any youth in addition to that like (Parsons, Terrence Jones, Isiah Cannon, Donte Mont), it would be great, and of course get Felton and/or JR Smith out of here as well
That isn't the greatest deal since Houston's 1st round picks will likely be TOP 3-5 in
Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...
For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
Melo has improved much on making the simple passes, trusting his team mates
He has changed much since his earlier years and I think it is possible that he can be a more efficient player as he has matured much since the past couple seasons
I think we should play as a team better though, with making a move as soon as we get the ball or moving the basketball, with constant movement or position
The Triangle would allow us to have better position to utilize everyone on the floor as a threat
However, in the end, we still need to add more talent to compliment Melo and the Triangle, hopefully Melo understands this and takes a pay cut in 2015 for the better of the team as a Knick
We need at least a Kevin Love/Lamarcus Aldridge type of talent, in addition to 2-3 more solid players
Possibly even getting some continued development players, players undrafted, utilize the MLE effectively this summer, and make solid vet min players that can continue to improve and develop
In addition to adding the talent needed, I think we need a change in the GM, Scouting department, coaching/assistant coaching, and development coaches, so Phil Jackson can run his philosophy and system
RonRon wrote:I think anyone with their eyes open realizes we need a better and more talented roster. That being said guys around here seem to enjoy calling Melo out for holes in has game from 5 years ago.fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
Melo has improved much on making the simple passes, trusting his team mates
He has changed much since his earlier years and I think it is possible that he can be a more efficient player as he has matured much since the past couple seasons
I think we should play as a team better though, with making a move as soon as we get the ball or moving the basketball, with constant movement or position
The Triangle would allow us to have better position to utilize everyone on the floor as a threatHowever, in the end, we still need to add more talent to compliment Melo and the Triangle, hopefully Melo understands this and takes a pay cut in 2015 for the better of the team as a Knick
We need at least a Kevin Love/Lamarcus Aldridge type of talent, in addition to 2-3 more solid players
Possibly even getting some continued development players, players undrafted, utilize the MLE effectively this summer, and make solid vet min players that can continue to improve and developIn addition to adding the talent needed, I think we need a change in the GM, Scouting department, coaching/assistant coaching, and development coaches, so Phil Jackson can run his philosophy and system
fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
the first twenty minutes of the game they played the right way and it was how they built a comfortable lead against a team with a worse record. it was after that when the offensive cohesion evaporated. i was tracking the bad shots melo took and you can imagine that those bad shots contributed to the breakdown. did they win in spite of that? yes. against the celtics. BFD
can you use your internal eyeballs and imagine the same breakdown occurring against a title contender? what happens then?
Philly has multiple 2nd round picks this summer in 2014, what if we added the 3m to get some 2nd round picks, or/and a future protected 1st rounder to get those multiple 2nd round talents they own...
Maybe getting a versatile SF/PF like Thad Young/Jeff Green/ Wilson Chandler with Perkins expiring contract in addition to a 1st rounder
To compliment Melo, we need a SF/PF that can go score both inside and outside, in addition to defending 3 positions, like a YOUNG Marion or Battum type player
I believe such moves would allow us to play at a high level with the talent needed, while contending next season and building for our future as well
but as a Knick fan..I just want Big Chief Triangle to select a basketball plan and stick with it. Good or Bad.
Melo stays then you need to give him the parts and the coach to get him to succeed.
Melo leaves then get the players and coach you want for your system.
You want to blow it up? Get as much assets that you can get for Melo and company then get the players and coach you want for your system.
Any of these 3 things and I am good to go.
fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
I already did. Can you read more carefully?
RonRon wrote:Honestly, my personal opinion is if Melo opts out and demands a MAX contract and years
However, if he is willing to structure his contract so we can lure UFA's in 2015, I would gladly do soIn the end, HOW MUCH IS A PAY CUT?
The less he makes, the more room we have to add talent around with him....
If he is able to make $20m + on every year but 2015, preferably under 15m in 2015, I don't see him taking that big of a pay cut for the better of the team
In fact I think it would still be the best offer he would receive in the open marketIf he isn't satisfied with that salary, isn't willing to wait till 2015, and wants to leave, I hope he keeps it in the house and allows us to get something back in a SIGN and TRADE
I prefer sending him to Houston, sending him out West, to a team with many draft picks in the future, and most importantly 2nd rounders in this DEEP DRAFT this summer
I am looking at 2 2nd round picks, 2 1st round picks, along with Lin and Asik, if we can get any youth in addition to that like (Parsons, Terrence Jones, Isiah Cannon, Donte Mont), it would be great, and of course get Felton and/or JR Smith out of here as wellThat isn't the greatest deal since Houston's 1st round picks will likely be TOP 3-5 in
If I am understanding you, you wouldn't mind Melo re-signing if he takes a contract at 15mm in 2015 but with a raise above 20mm after that? That is not possible under the cba. A team can only decrease/increase the initial salary by 7%.
A contract around 20mm can get you two max players like Love or Aldridge because their max salary will only be 17mm. Aldridge is overrated, imo, but Love would work in the triangle if they employ the triangle however his defense needs major work.
It sucks that there is not any money this year because Spencer Hawes would be a nice piece in a Triangle. He can play the high post/low post as passer and scorer plus even shoot the three. Basically, everything Bargs is not.
Bonn1997 wrote:sorry... w/ 50k posts and so little content its hard not to just glaze over.fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
I already did. Can you read more carefully?
dk7th wrote:easy. We would lose, and you and TFK and Bonn can lather each other up in vaseline and go streaking through the quad. Im pretty sure thats what would happen.fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
the first twenty minutes of the game they played the right way and it was how they built a comfortable lead against a team with a worse record. it was after that when the offensive cohesion evaporated. i was tracking the bad shots melo took and you can imagine that those bad shots contributed to the breakdown. did they win in spite of that? yes. against the celtics. BFD
can you use your internal eyeballs and imagine the same breakdown occurring against a title contender? what happens then?
Knicks come out against an inferior team in a must win game, Melo hits every shot, opens up a huge lead the best you have is to look at how they played in extended garbage time and say that wouldnt work against a better team. Your the only guy who looks to give you team "moral losses"
Heeee-haw dude.
fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:sorry... w/ 50k posts and so little content its hard not to just glaze over.fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
I already did. Can you read more carefully?
No reaction to the #s? I guess you didn't really want the data you asked for unless it would confirm what you wanted. You give a whole insulting post about my allegedly not seeing the game and not knowing that multiple passes occur, when it turns out you just didn't see the info. right in the post that you were looking for? Then you can't even apologize without offering another insult? You used to actually be a respectful, mature adult here.
Anji wrote:LOL, got to give you credit Mikey, you said if he played well you would stop the nit picking and you have.Like Im some kinda MElo lover... I killed the guy after the trade and especially that first full year. He's played better. He's given what a max player should. He's improved. He's not Durant or Lebron. I never killed Ewing for not being Hakeem. Not gonna start now.
We have three guys who dont watch basketball blasting every thread with knocks on the guy... from 4 years ago. (Yawn)
At this point I just respond in kind. Garbage in garbage out.
fishmike wrote:Anji wrote:LOL, got to give you credit Mikey, you said if he played well you would stop the nit picking and you have.Like Im some kinda MElo lover... I killed the guy after the trade and especially that first full year. He's played better. He's given what a max player should. He's improved. He's not Durant or Lebron. I never killed Ewing for not being Hakeem. Not gonna start now.We have three guys who dont watch basketball blasting every thread with knocks on the guy... from 4 years ago. (Yawn)
At this point I just respond in kind. Garbage in garbage out.
Yeah, you used to be fair about Melo and now you still mention he's not Lebron (as if that gives you some kind of credibility). But then you won't listen to anything other than pure Melo love. I've even called him a legit all-star worthy of being close to the ESPN ranking of top 20 but anything short of Melo being a magical superstar just isn't enough for you. And it's surprising, I watch about 20% of the time but I'm clearly seeing more in that 20% than you see in your 100% or whatever your # is. Trust me, if you think hate is coming from the 3 of us, you've been shielding yourself from what many actually say about him.
It's easy to share the ball early on in games but want to singlehandedly try to win games In The 4th quarter because the criticism. Of your game doesn't bother you. You enjoy the attention of being the man
fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:easy. We would lose, and you and TFK and Bonn can lather each other up in vaseline and go streaking through the quad. Im pretty sure thats what would happen.fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
the first twenty minutes of the game they played the right way and it was how they built a comfortable lead against a team with a worse record. it was after that when the offensive cohesion evaporated. i was tracking the bad shots melo took and you can imagine that those bad shots contributed to the breakdown. did they win in spite of that? yes. against the celtics. BFD
can you use your internal eyeballs and imagine the same breakdown occurring against a title contender? what happens then?
Knicks come out against an inferior team in a must win game, Melo hits every shot, opens up a huge lead the best you have is to look at how they played in extended garbage time and say that wouldnt work against a better team. Your the only guy who looks to give you team "moral losses"
Heeee-haw dude.
a smarter team with a smarter player would take the opportunity to focus and hone their skills for an entire game.
why?
in preparation for the playoffs where playing the right way the entire game gives the best chance at winning the game.
are you sure you know what you are talking about? i am not convinced
and by the way your attempts at mocking humor are.not.funny.
dk7th wrote:fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:easy. We would lose, and you and TFK and Bonn can lather each other up in vaseline and go streaking through the quad. Im pretty sure thats what would happen.fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn.. not sure if you realized as I know you never watch, but there is actual basketball played before the final pass that leads to a score.fishmike wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I don't really see Melo as a triangle type player. You need a willing passer and an ability to play well away from the ball. Both attributes that Melo does not possess. Big Chief Triangle needs to trade Melo for assets in the offseason assuming Melo does not opt out. If Melo stays then PJax needs to find the right system to build around Melo. This means a PG that can create. A SG that can hit the open 3. Another forward that is long that can switch with Melo between the 3 and 4. A stretch 5 that can rebound.honestly do you only look at assist #s? Have you not been watching? How can you say Melo isnt a willing passer and also say you have watched him very much at all in the last two years?
Maybe he's watching more closely than you are! It looks like your eyeball assessment is malfunctioning again. They actually record this data now. Melo has 6.4 assist opportunities (passes that lead to shot attempts) per game, which barely places him in the top 100. For someone who leads the league in usage (meaning he has the ball in his hands more than anyone else in the league), that number is shocking. And before you bring up the "hockey assist" argument, note that he's averaging only 0.6 secondary assists ("hockey assists") per game. He's barely in the top 100 for total passes too (that's assist opportunity passes and any additional passes).
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPassi...For example... last game Melo, Prigs, JR and Shump are all on the wing with Cole in the middle. Melo passes on a 3 and swings the ball to Shump who swings it to Prigs who swings it JR who swings it back to Shump who swings it back to Melo who ends up with a better shot. Now was Melo ball hogging there? Was Melo willing to pass (thus making him a willing passer)? Yes he was.
Can you show me the stats on actual passes? Like how many times he has the ball and passes? It appears your data is incomplete
the first twenty minutes of the game they played the right way and it was how they built a comfortable lead against a team with a worse record. it was after that when the offensive cohesion evaporated. i was tracking the bad shots melo took and you can imagine that those bad shots contributed to the breakdown. did they win in spite of that? yes. against the celtics. BFD
can you use your internal eyeballs and imagine the same breakdown occurring against a title contender? what happens then?
Knicks come out against an inferior team in a must win game, Melo hits every shot, opens up a huge lead the best you have is to look at how they played in extended garbage time and say that wouldnt work against a better team. Your the only guy who looks to give you team "moral losses"
Heeee-haw dude.
a smarter team with a smarter player would take the opportunity to focus and hone their skills for an entire game.
why?
in preparation for the playoffs where playing the right way the entire game gives the best chance at winning the game.
are you sure you know what you are talking about? i am not convinced
and by the way your attempts at mocking humor are.not.funny.
Seriously - mocking the masculinity of guys you disagree with? So original! I bet no one has ever thought of doing that before!
Next, he's probably going to do the "why did the chicken cross the road" joke
Bonn1997 wrote:magical superstar? you seem to have that confused with "average volume shooter"fishmike wrote:Anji wrote:LOL, got to give you credit Mikey, you said if he played well you would stop the nit picking and you have.Like Im some kinda MElo lover... I killed the guy after the trade and especially that first full year. He's played better. He's given what a max player should. He's improved. He's not Durant or Lebron. I never killed Ewing for not being Hakeem. Not gonna start now.We have three guys who dont watch basketball blasting every thread with knocks on the guy... from 4 years ago. (Yawn)
At this point I just respond in kind. Garbage in garbage out.
Yeah, you used to be fair about Melo and now you still mention he's not Lebron (as if that gives you some kind of credibility). But then you won't listen to anything other than pure Melo love. I've even called him a legit all-star worthy of being close to the ESPN ranking of top 20 but anything short of Melo being a magical superstar just isn't enough for you. And it's surprising, I watch about 20% of the time but I'm clearly seeing more in that 20% than you see in your 100% or whatever your # is. Trust me, if you think hate is coming from the 3 of us, you've been shielding yourself from what many actually say about him.
I dont believe when we got Melo he was a top 10 player. Now he is. Did he finish 3rd in MVP last year? Did he beat out TFK/DK's biggest hardon player Paul George in the All NBA team voting? Yes he did.
But yea.. your objective.
Have I flamed Guns? Franco? Your funny dude... lots of people around here dont love Melo and I seem to be OK having discussions with what they see, because they actually watch.
Basketball is a flow game. A game of momentum. A game of runs... When a guy starts shooting 0-7 then lights up after and you look at his box score like you have a clue how the game played out. Nobody cares about that... sorry if that bugs you.