Knicks · If Stat and Melo opted out of their contracts, could we restructure Stat and Melo's new contract to have cap to sign a star? (page 2)
martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?
Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?
Papabear Says
Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.
"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"
Papabear Says
Amare you said that you wanted to retire a Knick. The only way would be for you to take less money like LeBron did by restructuring your deal. Opt out and we pay you your 23 million but then take Players minimum the third year. We will pay you like this. 10 mill 1st year 10 mill 2nd year and 7 mill the 3rd Year if you really want to stay a Knick. What?? you said no? OK then we just trade you or just wait till the 23 mill ends next year and good by.
Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?
Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?
Papabear Says
Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.
"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"Papabear Says
How do you know what Amare would do???
cause he's human?
Yeah, seriously. Amare's going to basically play a whole season for free?! Just because he wanted to retire a Knick?
Papabear Says
Do you think he earned his 100 million ?? Maybe he feels a little guilty.
Papabear wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?
Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?
Papabear Says
Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.
"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"Papabear Says
How do you know what Amare would do???
cause he's human?
Yeah, seriously. Amare's going to basically play a whole season for free?! Just because he wanted to retire a Knick?Papabear Says
Do you think he earned his 100 million ?? Maybe he feels a little guilty.
He may feel guilty and he maybe dumb but he is certainly not that dumb 
Bonn1997 wrote:Papabear wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?
Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?
Papabear Says
Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.
"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"Papabear Says
How do you know what Amare would do???
cause he's human?
Yeah, seriously. Amare's going to basically play a whole season for free?! Just because he wanted to retire a Knick?Papabear Says
Do you think he earned his 100 million ??
In an ethical sense, yes. He did what his contract said he would, including putting his physical body at risk almost every day and working through pain often.
Thats twisted. 
I think that he was asking if he earned it with his play and the answer is HELL NO! Nobody cares about his ethics.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Papabear wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?
Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?
Papabear Says
Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.
"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"Papabear Says
How do you know what Amare would do???
cause he's human?
Yeah, seriously. Amare's going to basically play a whole season for free?! Just because he wanted to retire a Knick?Papabear Says
Do you think he earned his 100 million ??
In an ethical sense, yes. He did what his contract said he would, including putting his physical body at risk almost every day and working through pain often.
Thats twisted.
I think that he was asking if he earned it with his play and the answer is HELL NO! Nobody cares about his ethics.
No, he's asking if Amare should feel guilty enough to decide that he owes us. And I'm saying no, he destroyed his body for us. From a player's perspective, the money is compensation for the fact that you're putting your one and only body - the one you have for the rest of your life - on the line.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Papabear wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?
Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?
Papabear Says
Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.
"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"Papabear Says
How do you know what Amare would do???
cause he's human?
Yeah, seriously. Amare's going to basically play a whole season for free?! Just because he wanted to retire a Knick?Papabear Says
Do you think he earned his 100 million ??
In an ethical sense, yes. He did what his contract said he would, including putting his physical body at risk almost every day and working through pain often.
Thats twisted.
I think that he was asking if he earned it with his play and the answer is HELL NO! Nobody cares about his ethics.
No, he's asking if Amare should feel guilty enough to decide that he owes us. And I'm saying no, he destroyed his body for us.
He asked if Amare earned his money which he certainly did not.
I would feel guilty if I were him though not guilty enough to give back money. He certainly does not owe us anything. We were as dumb as could be and he was the lucky beneficiary.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Papabear wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?
Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?
Papabear Says
Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.
"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"Papabear Says
How do you know what Amare would do???
cause he's human?
Yeah, seriously. Amare's going to basically play a whole season for free?! Just because he wanted to retire a Knick?Papabear Says
Do you think he earned his 100 million ??
In an ethical sense, yes. He did what his contract said he would, including putting his physical body at risk almost every day and working through pain often.
Thats twisted.
I think that he was asking if he earned it with his play and the answer is HELL NO! Nobody cares about his ethics.
No, he's asking if Amare should feel guilty enough to decide that he owes us. And I'm saying no, he destroyed his body for us.He asked if Amare earned his money which he certainly did not.
I would feel guilty if I were him though not guilty enough to give back money. He certainly does not owe us anything. We were as dumb as could be and he was the lucky beneficiary.
Scroll up a little. He's saying Amare should play a full season for free out of guilt.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Papabear wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?
Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?
Papabear Says
Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.
"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"Papabear Says
How do you know what Amare would do???
cause he's human?
Yeah, seriously. Amare's going to basically play a whole season for free?! Just because he wanted to retire a Knick?Papabear Says
Do you think he earned his 100 million ??
In an ethical sense, yes. He did what his contract said he would, including putting his physical body at risk almost every day and working through pain often.
Thats twisted.
I think that he was asking if he earned it with his play and the answer is HELL NO! Nobody cares about his ethics.
No, he's asking if Amare should feel guilty enough to decide that he owes us. And I'm saying no, he destroyed his body for us.He asked if Amare earned his money which he certainly did not.
I would feel guilty if I were him though not guilty enough to give back money. He certainly does not owe us anything. We were as dumb as could be and he was the lucky beneficiary.
Scroll up a little. He's saying Amare should play a full season for free out of guilt.
yeah I responded to that too. Thats preposterous.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Papabear wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:martin wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?
Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?
Papabear Says
Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.
"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"Papabear Says
How do you know what Amare would do???
cause he's human?
Yeah, seriously. Amare's going to basically play a whole season for free?! Just because he wanted to retire a Knick?Papabear Says
Do you think he earned his 100 million ??
In an ethical sense, yes. He did what his contract said he would, including putting his physical body at risk almost every day and working through pain often.
Thats twisted.
I think that he was asking if he earned it with his play and the answer is HELL NO! Nobody cares about his ethics.
No, he's asking if Amare should feel guilty enough to decide that he owes us. And I'm saying no, he destroyed his body for us.He asked if Amare earned his money which he certainly did not.
I would feel guilty if I were him though not guilty enough to give back money. He certainly does not owe us anything. We were as dumb as could be and he was the lucky beneficiary.
Scroll up a little. He's saying Amare should play a full season for free out of guilt.yeah I responded to that too. Thats preposterous.
Well, the whole discussion you're commenting on was about that issue. I'm explaining why, from his perspective, it's unlikely he has the kind of guilt Papa is describing.