Knicks · Forecasters Rate Isiah Thomas Number 1 GM at drafting!! (page 2)

The sum never added up for the knicks under his leadership.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:A shame he decided to piss away so many picks when picking was his only strength!

Was that Isiah? Is it just a coincidence that every GM under Dolan has thrown away so many picks? Or does Dolan not have the patience to let GMs draft and develop players?

That is a tough one. I don't remember Layden moving picks other than the horrible McDyess trade.

Well he traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Othella Harrington. Then he traded another first round pick for Mark Jackson.

And just to point how catastrophically bad a decision that was, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Memhet Okur were available with our 2001 pick that was dealt in the Harrington deal while Tayshaun Prince, Carlos Boozer and John Salmons were available with the 2002 pick we dealt for Mark Jackson. To be fair though, Layden was horrible at drafting and wouldn't have picked any of these players anyway. To be honest, I think Layden was the single worst executive of all-time.

+1

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:A shame he decided to piss away so many picks when picking was his only strength!

Was that Isiah? Is it just a coincidence that every GM under Dolan has thrown away so many picks? Or does Dolan not have the patience to let GMs draft and develop players?

That is a tough one. I don't remember Layden moving picks other than the horrible McDyess trade.

Well he traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Othella Harrington. Then he traded another first round pick for Mark Jackson.

And just to point how catastrophically bad a decision that was, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Memhet Okur were available with our 2001 pick that was dealt in the Harrington deal while Tayshaun Prince, Carlos Boozer and John Salmons were available with the 2002 pick we dealt for Mark Jackson. To be fair though, Layden was horrible at drafting and wouldn't have picked any of these players anyway. To be honest, I think Layden was the single worst executive of all-time.

+1

who did Layden draft as a knick exec?

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:A shame he decided to piss away so many picks when picking was his only strength!

Was that Isiah? Is it just a coincidence that every GM under Dolan has thrown away so many picks? Or does Dolan not have the patience to let GMs draft and develop players?

That is a tough one. I don't remember Layden moving picks other than the horrible McDyess trade.

Well he traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Othella Harrington. Then he traded another first round pick for Mark Jackson.

And just to point how catastrophically bad a decision that was, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Memhet Okur were available with our 2001 pick that was dealt in the Harrington deal while Tayshaun Prince, Carlos Boozer and John Salmons were available with the 2002 pick we dealt for Mark Jackson. To be fair though, Layden was horrible at drafting and wouldn't have picked any of these players anyway. To be honest, I think Layden was the single worst executive of all-time.

+1

who did Layden draft as a knick exec?

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:A shame he decided to piss away so many picks when picking was his only strength!

Was that Isiah? Is it just a coincidence that every GM under Dolan has thrown away so many picks? Or does Dolan not have the patience to let GMs draft and develop players?

That is a tough one. I don't remember Layden moving picks other than the horrible McDyess trade.

Well he traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Othella Harrington. Then he traded another first round pick for Mark Jackson.

And just to point how catastrophically bad a decision that was, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Memhet Okur were available with our 2001 pick that was dealt in the Harrington deal while Tayshaun Prince, Carlos Boozer and John Salmons were available with the 2002 pick we dealt for Mark Jackson. To be fair though, Layden was horrible at drafting and wouldn't have picked any of these players anyway. To be honest, I think Layden was the single worst executive of all-time.

+1

who did Layden draft as a knick exec?

Eric Chenowith and Maciej Lampe!

Oh ... and Nene ARGGHH

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:A shame he decided to piss away so many picks when picking was his only strength!

Was that Isiah? Is it just a coincidence that every GM under Dolan has thrown away so many picks? Or does Dolan not have the patience to let GMs draft and develop players?

That is a tough one. I don't remember Layden moving picks other than the horrible McDyess trade.

Well he traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Othella Harrington. Then he traded another first round pick for Mark Jackson.

And just to point how catastrophically bad a decision that was, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Memhet Okur were available with our 2001 pick that was dealt in the Harrington deal while Tayshaun Prince, Carlos Boozer and John Salmons were available with the 2002 pick we dealt for Mark Jackson. To be fair though, Layden was horrible at drafting and wouldn't have picked any of these players anyway. To be honest, I think Layden was the single worst executive of all-time.

+1

who did Layden draft as a knick exec?

cant remember anyone besides Sweetney. I'll never forget Layden's comments after the pick "We have had good luck with guys from Georgetown"

Talent was there for big Mike. He just took his snub from the McDonald's American team the wrong way.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:A shame he decided to piss away so many picks when picking was his only strength!

Was that Isiah? Is it just a coincidence that every GM under Dolan has thrown away so many picks? Or does Dolan not have the patience to let GMs draft and develop players?

That is a tough one. I don't remember Layden moving picks other than the horrible McDyess trade.

Well he traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Othella Harrington. Then he traded another first round pick for Mark Jackson.

And just to point how catastrophically bad a decision that was, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Memhet Okur were available with our 2001 pick that was dealt in the Harrington deal while Tayshaun Prince, Carlos Boozer and John Salmons were available with the 2002 pick we dealt for Mark Jackson. To be fair though, Layden was horrible at drafting and wouldn't have picked any of these players anyway. To be honest, I don't think that Layden was good at anything and was easily worse than Isiah (despite plenty of people thinking the opposite).

Eh, it's tempting to conclude that Layden, Isiah, Walsh, Grunwald, and Mills were all clueless but it might be that the only real mistake they ever made was choosing to work for Dolan. I wouldn't judge anyone by how they performed under Dolan.

I agree and disagree. On one hand, Scott got some pretty good gigs with Utah and now, the Spurs. I think that says something about his abilities (or that Frank Layden still has alot of connections). On the other hand, in spite of their shortcomings, guys like Isiah and Grunwald still excelled in a certain niche (Isiah with drafting, even though I'm more skeptical of him in this regard than others; Grunwald with free agent waiver/low-risk-high-reward pickups). Layden had nothing that I could think of that he did well.

Reading his wiki page, I don't think that any executive could have done worse even if they intentionally tried.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Layde...

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:A shame he decided to piss away so many picks when picking was his only strength!

Was that Isiah? Is it just a coincidence that every GM under Dolan has thrown away so many picks? Or does Dolan not have the patience to let GMs draft and develop players?

That is a tough one. I don't remember Layden moving picks other than the horrible McDyess trade.

Well he traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Othella Harrington. Then he traded another first round pick for Mark Jackson.

And just to point how catastrophically bad a decision that was, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Memhet Okur were available with our 2001 pick that was dealt in the Harrington deal while Tayshaun Prince, Carlos Boozer and John Salmons were available with the 2002 pick we dealt for Mark Jackson. To be fair though, Layden was horrible at drafting and wouldn't have picked any of these players anyway. To be honest, I think Layden was the single worst executive of all-time.

+1

who did Layden draft as a knick exec?

Slavko Vranes, Maceji Lampe (never got a shot), Milos Vujanic (pulled a Fredrick Weis), Frank Williams (never should've gotten a chance), Mike Sweetney (very good but fat/depressed) and I think Lavor Postell (picked ahead of Michael Redd). There has to be more but I can't think of anymore off the top of my head.

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:A shame he decided to piss away so many picks when picking was his only strength!

Was that Isiah? Is it just a coincidence that every GM under Dolan has thrown away so many picks? Or does Dolan not have the patience to let GMs draft and develop players?

That is a tough one. I don't remember Layden moving picks other than the horrible McDyess trade.

Well he traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Othella Harrington. Then he traded another first round pick for Mark Jackson.

And just to point how catastrophically bad a decision that was, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Memhet Okur were available with our 2001 pick that was dealt in the Harrington deal while Tayshaun Prince, Carlos Boozer and John Salmons were available with the 2002 pick we dealt for Mark Jackson. To be fair though, Layden was horrible at drafting and wouldn't have picked any of these players anyway. To be honest, I think Layden was the single worst executive of all-time.

+1

who did Layden draft as a knick exec?

cant remember anyone besides Sweetney. I'll never forget Layden's comments after the pick "We have had good luck with guys from Georgetown"

Sweetney had talent but was clearly depressed. Dude became an alcoholic and morbidly obese. NYC definitely did help matters.

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:A shame he decided to piss away so many picks when picking was his only strength!

Was that Isiah? Is it just a coincidence that every GM under Dolan has thrown away so many picks? Or does Dolan not have the patience to let GMs draft and develop players?

That is a tough one. I don't remember Layden moving picks other than the horrible McDyess trade.

Well he traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Othella Harrington. Then he traded another first round pick for Mark Jackson.

And just to point how catastrophically bad a decision that was, Jamal Tinsley, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Memhet Okur were available with our 2001 pick that was dealt in the Harrington deal while Tayshaun Prince, Carlos Boozer and John Salmons were available with the 2002 pick we dealt for Mark Jackson. To be fair though, Layden was horrible at drafting and wouldn't have picked any of these players anyway. To be honest, I think Layden was the single worst executive of all-time.

+1

who did Layden draft as a knick exec?

Eric Chenowith and Maciej Lampe!

Oh ... and Nene ARGGHH

No worries. We got Frank Williams back in the deal, which squared things lol.