Knicks · Is dolan really that bad (page 2)
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:so those people are biased too. you are at one end and they are at the other both blindly vying to be right.Well ... At least you are anti Phil which is different.
Were you pro Isiah? Cause that would just be plain cool!Too be honest, I loved OJ and hoped he was acquitted. Hated the prosecutors, Darden and Marcia Clark for what they were doing to him. I look back now and I feel kinda stupid.
No, No No...I like Phil...I want Phil to be GM...I just don't want him to hire someone he can control with no experience..I want him to hire an experience coach and build it in their vision...But will still support him..Just not digging the ego thing...And if it doesn't work I will blame him and not Dolan...
If he hires an established coach it will certainly fail because they will clash. That is a Dolan type move and we need to do things differently.
He needs to pull the strings and have the final say with everything. What established coach will allow that? JVG? Hollins? SVG?
If Phil hires his man and he fails - its on him. If they (knicks brass) push him to do what they want, its on them. Would you have thought that Jeff Hornacek would have excelled like this?
He is a smart guy, lets give him all the power with no meddling and see what he can do. And rest assured, I am sure that Phil will be quite tuned in to sabermetrics.
mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:so those people are biased too. you are at one end and they are at the other both blindly vying to be right.Well ... At least you are anti Phil which is different.
Were you pro Isiah? Cause that would just be plain cool!Too be honest, I loved OJ and hoped he was acquitted. Hated the prosecutors, Darden and Marcia Clark for what they were doing to him. I look back now and I feel kinda stupid.
No, No No...I like Phil...I want Phil to be GM...I just don't want him to hire someone he can control with no experience..I want him to hire an experience coach and build it in their vision...But will still support him..Just not digging the ego thing...And if it doesn't work I will blame him and not Dolan...
If he hires an established coach it will certainly fail because they will clash. That is a Dolan type move and we need to do things differently.
He needs to pull the strings and have the final say with everything. What established coach will allow that? JVG? Hollins? SVG?
If Phil hires his man and he fails - its on him. If they (knicks brass) push him to do what they want, its on them. Would you have thought that Jeff Hornacek would have excelled like this?
He is a smart guy, lets give him all the power with no meddling and see what he can do. And rest assured, I am sure that Phil will be quite tuned in to sabermetrics.
Why does he have to have final say on everything?..It will only undermine his coach..The players won't trust the coach's word..They need that day in and day out..Worked for Doc and Aigne..Pop..
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:so those people are biased too. you are at one end and they are at the other both blindly vying to be right.Well ... At least you are anti Phil which is different.
Were you pro Isiah? Cause that would just be plain cool!Too be honest, I loved OJ and hoped he was acquitted. Hated the prosecutors, Darden and Marcia Clark for what they were doing to him. I look back now and I feel kinda stupid.
No, No No...I like Phil...I want Phil to be GM...I just don't want him to hire someone he can control with no experience..I want him to hire an experience coach and build it in their vision...But will still support him..Just not digging the ego thing...And if it doesn't work I will blame him and not Dolan...
If he hires an established coach it will certainly fail because they will clash. That is a Dolan type move and we need to do things differently.
He needs to pull the strings and have the final say with everything. What established coach will allow that? JVG? Hollins? SVG?
If Phil hires his man and he fails - its on him. If they (knicks brass) push him to do what they want, its on them. Would you have thought that Jeff Hornacek would have excelled like this?
He is a smart guy, lets give him all the power with no meddling and see what he can do. And rest assured, I am sure that Phil will be quite tuned in to sabermetrics.
Why does he have to have final say on everything?..It will only undermine his coach..The players won't trust the coach's word..They need that day in and day out..Worked for Doc and Aigne..Pop..
I'm not defending dolan, but the only true trade that he took complete control over was for melo.
Every Gm he brought in had access to deep pockets and made bad decisions.
I still think that Walsh with all his experience made some hasty decisions in trying to dump salaries
I thought Thomas wanting to upgrade the PG position so bad, took on way to much salary to acquire Steph
I thought layden wanting to get rid of camby and the sprewell culture and bring in good character guys like shannon and eisley for ridiculous money.
Giving layden and thomas that kind of money to spend was where it all went wrong..Dolan doesn't know much (and never claim to) so he's gotta be getting advice
not a popular view, but, regardless - I'd argue Dolan's biggest mistake is not that he micromanages, rather that he gives too much autonomy to - first Larry (who is a great coach but wasn't great here) then Isiah. Ironically - when Dolan did seemingly get involved - he displaced Walsh on the Melo trade, a mistake.
Knicks haven't been good under Dolan, but in reality, with excpetion of a couple of storied years, the history of the franchise has been long periods of poor results that go back well before Dolan got involved.
He hired Larry, Isiah, Walsh, and now Jackson, and, with exception ironically of Melo trade - seems to me to have given total autonomy.
Results haven't been there, but, his payroll has been, he's kept out of the papers, been very low key, and hired 'superstar' execs. Honestly don't get the venom spewed his way.
Isiah said he was going to overhaul the roster, much like changing an engine mid flight.
Guess what? Its not possible.
To criticize Donnie for signing Amar'e probably doesn't take into how the conversation might have gone:
Donnie: We've missed out on LeBron.
Dolan: I want a star. We have to sign someone. Who's left?
Donnie: Amar'e, but...
Dolan: Do it!
We don't know what went on behind closed doors, but Dolan has never come out and said his GMs could rebuild through the draft. In fact, he's said you can't rebuild.
So asking the best GM/Coach to do the impossible is unrealistic.
And I'm afraid Phil might be in the same boat. And perhaps Phil is arrogant enough to think he can do it.
StarksEwing1 wrote:Yes Dolan is that bad. He isnt the brightest person in the world and by his own admission knows nothin about how to run the knicks. Thankfully he finally gave Phil Jackson full control
Why should we believe "No experience" Phil and his impeccable resume (just like all the rest) will change the franchise.
Whats different this time around?
But he has awful judgement and he created a culture in which rewards weren't based on effort and achievement, but on nepotism and petty grudges. He stayed loyal to people who needed to be fired, and fired/traded/didn't re-sign people we needed because they'd done something to p him off.
He felt the need to meddle when he should have kept out of things, and his impulsiveness and ridiculous bargaining 'skills' against himself was played on by GMs around the league.
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Yes Dolan is that bad. He isnt the brightest person in the world and by his own admission knows nothin about how to run the knicks. Thankfully he finally gave Phil Jackson full controlWhy should we believe "No experience" Phil and his impeccable resume (just like all the rest) will change the franchise.
Or that Phil has and will keep full control?
smackeddog wrote:He's not as bad a person as someone like Sterling, the Clips owner. And at least he's willing to spend. And he did try his best to get the lockout ended while most owners were hoping to destroy the entire season just to line their pockets.But he has awful judgement and he created a culture in which rewards weren't based on effort and achievement, but on nepotism and petty grudges. He stayed loyal to people who needed to be fired, and fired/traded/didn't re-sign people we needed because they'd done something to p him off.
He felt the need to meddle when he should have kept out of things, and his impulsiveness and ridiculous bargaining 'skills' against himself was played on by GMs around the league.
Have you not seen the Clippers. It might take Dolan a few centuries just to accidentally put a roster that good together.
Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:He's not as bad a person as someone like Sterling, the Clips owner. And at least he's willing to spend. And he did try his best to get the lockout ended while most owners were hoping to destroy the entire season just to line their pockets.But he has awful judgement and he created a culture in which rewards weren't based on effort and achievement, but on nepotism and petty grudges. He stayed loyal to people who needed to be fired, and fired/traded/didn't re-sign people we needed because they'd done something to p him off.
He felt the need to meddle when he should have kept out of things, and his impulsiveness and ridiculous bargaining 'skills' against himself was played on by GMs around the league.
Have you not seen the Clippers. It might take Dolan a few centuries just to accidentally put a roster that good together.
Doesn't change the fact that their owner is an awful human being!
Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:He's not as bad a person as someone like Sterling, the Clips owner. And at least he's willing to spend. And he did try his best to get the lockout ended while most owners were hoping to destroy the entire season just to line their pockets.But he has awful judgement and he created a culture in which rewards weren't based on effort and achievement, but on nepotism and petty grudges. He stayed loyal to people who needed to be fired, and fired/traded/didn't re-sign people we needed because they'd done something to p him off.
He felt the need to meddle when he should have kept out of things, and his impulsiveness and ridiculous bargaining 'skills' against himself was played on by GMs around the league.
Have you not seen the Clippers. It might take Dolan a few centuries just to accidentally put a roster that good together.
Probably was an accident considering their franchise history. Better to be lucky than good.
Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:He's not as bad a person as someone like Sterling, the Clips owner. And at least he's willing to spend. And he did try his best to get the lockout ended while most owners were hoping to destroy the entire season just to line their pockets.But he has awful judgement and he created a culture in which rewards weren't based on effort and achievement, but on nepotism and petty grudges. He stayed loyal to people who needed to be fired, and fired/traded/didn't re-sign people we needed because they'd done something to p him off.
He felt the need to meddle when he should have kept out of things, and his impulsiveness and ridiculous bargaining 'skills' against himself was played on by GMs around the league.
Have you not seen the Clippers. It might take Dolan a few centuries just to accidentally put a roster that good together.
Im so not impress by any team in the league other then OKC and the Bulls..I'm pretty sure if we traded for lowery we would be much better then we are now, and thats one more DOLAN pill to swallow.
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:He's not as bad a person as someone like Sterling, the Clips owner. And at least he's willing to spend. And he did try his best to get the lockout ended while most owners were hoping to destroy the entire season just to line their pockets.But he has awful judgement and he created a culture in which rewards weren't based on effort and achievement, but on nepotism and petty grudges. He stayed loyal to people who needed to be fired, and fired/traded/didn't re-sign people we needed because they'd done something to p him off.
He felt the need to meddle when he should have kept out of things, and his impulsiveness and ridiculous bargaining 'skills' against himself was played on by GMs around the league.
Have you not seen the Clippers. It might take Dolan a few centuries just to accidentally put a roster that good together.
Im so not impress by any team in the league other then OKC and the Bulls..I'm pretty sure if we traded for lowery we would be much better then we are now, and thats one more DOLAN pill to swallow.
I'm pretty sure there's a long list of trades that would have made us better! (and that the Clippers are way better than we are)
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:He's not as bad a person as someone like Sterling, the Clips owner. And at least he's willing to spend. And he did try his best to get the lockout ended while most owners were hoping to destroy the entire season just to line their pockets.But he has awful judgement and he created a culture in which rewards weren't based on effort and achievement, but on nepotism and petty grudges. He stayed loyal to people who needed to be fired, and fired/traded/didn't re-sign people we needed because they'd done something to p him off.
He felt the need to meddle when he should have kept out of things, and his impulsiveness and ridiculous bargaining 'skills' against himself was played on by GMs around the league.
Have you not seen the Clippers. It might take Dolan a few centuries just to accidentally put a roster that good together.
Im so not impress by any team in the league other then OKC and the Bulls..I'm pretty sure if we traded for lowery we would be much better then we are now, and thats one more DOLAN pill to swallow.
How about if we traded for Lowry with the package that we gave for Bags?