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newyorknewyork wrote:This is just a random thought. After he calls it a career I could see him looking to get a front office gig somewhere. I think it would be pretty cool if Jax brought him along and groomed him for a GM position maybe.
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newyorknewyork wrote:This is just a random thought. After he calls it a career I could see him looking to get a front office gig somewhere. I think it would be pretty cool if Jax brought him along and groomed him for a GM position maybe.
That would be horrible. Maybe he can join Melo in the FO and they can teach the kids about ball movement.
newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.
5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.
newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.
jordan won 6 titles, 6 time finals mvp. he has been quite below avg so far making decisions in cha and washington. i think thats the point regarding kobe. the titles and playing career accolades may mean nothing in terms of running a team
newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.
Rodman won many championships, all defense, all heart. That does not make a good argument for him to be a GM.
Kobe was a selfish chucker. He did not play correct basketball and that is not what I want him to teach. Hard to teach players to be all defense but you can teach them proper ball movement. He avg'd 4.8 assists, 4.5 before the last 2 bloated years.
Wade avg'd 6 assists per and was/is super efficient. Much more my type of 2 guard.
knicks1248 wrote:He's going to be an excellent coach..Go youtube spike lees documentary on kobe, I swear it almost seem like he was thee coach and phil was the assistant
Because Phil empowered him. PHil fueled his leadership and taught him to take over. Kobe had ownership when he did this. Kobe has not gotten along with Tomjanovich, Brown, or MDA. Just Phil.
Kobe is unrelenting and impatient at this stage of his life. Its those very qualities that makes him a killer on the court and It think a not so good executive.
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He's going to be an excellent coach..Go youtube spike lees documentary on kobe, I swear it almost seem like he was thee coach and phil was the assistantBecause Phil empowered him. PHil fueled his leadership and taught him to take over. Kobe had ownership when he did this. Kobe has not gotten along with Tomjanovich, Brown, or MDA. Just Phil.
Kobe is unrelenting and impatient at this stage of his life. Its those very qualities that makes him a killer on the court and It think a not so good executive.
That is far from the truth. He did not get along with Jackson at all. Jackson begged Kupcheck to trade him numerous times and I believe that he stated in his book that he actually gave mitch an ultimatum of "him or me" a couple of times.
Kobe broke plays often and infuriated jackson. And, he was not close to the Lebron's, Durants, Jordan, Wades, NASH's, efficiency. He was a high volume and avg percentage shooter that was one of the best of all time at creating his own (often bad) shots.
He was good enough at creating to average 8-9 assists a game but he was not willing to give up his shots often enough.
He had that crazy fire and will to win (even if that cost him many times) and he was perhaps even a better defender than jordan.
I personally think that he would make a horrible GM. Not the even keel personality that is balanced and rational that a GM would need.
sidsanders wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.
jordan won 6 titles, 6 time finals mvp. he has been quite below avg so far making decisions in cha and washington. i think thats the point regarding kobe. the titles and playing career accolades may mean nothing in terms of running a team
exactly... how many rings does phil jackson have as a player? what about sloan, popovich, adelman?
mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.
Rodman won many championships, all defense, all heart. That does not make a good argument for him to be a GM.
Kobe was a selfish chucker. He did not play correct basketball and that is not what I want him to teach. Hard to teach players to be all defense but you can teach them proper ball movement. He avg'd 4.8 assists, 4.5 before the last 2 bloated years.
Wade avg'd 6 assists per and was/is super efficient. Much more my type of 2 guard.
You replied with a silly comment about him being a ball hog as if that overrides everything else he brought to the table. Robman didn't win his championships as the best player on the team or looked at as one of the leaders.
Kobe is also known for one of the best work ethics and one of the most dedicated to the game of basketball, I guess these things also don't matter because he was a ball hog at times.
He also came out of high school and didn't the amount of PT that Wade did his first 2 yrs in the league.
sidsanders wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.
jordan won 6 titles, 6 time finals mvp. he has been quite below avg so far making decisions in cha and washington. i think thats the point regarding kobe. the titles and playing career accolades may mean nothing in terms of running a team
Jordan was handed the GM job and made moves with him making a comeback in mind in Washington. I was thinking Kobe could be groomed for a position not directly given the GM position.
mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He's going to be an excellent coach..Go youtube spike lees documentary on kobe, I swear it almost seem like he was thee coach and phil was the assistantBecause Phil empowered him. PHil fueled his leadership and taught him to take over. Kobe had ownership when he did this. Kobe has not gotten along with Tomjanovich, Brown, or MDA. Just Phil.
Kobe is unrelenting and impatient at this stage of his life. Its those very qualities that makes him a killer on the court and It think a not so good executive.
That is far from the truth. He did not get along with Jackson at all. Jackson begged Kupcheck to trade him numerous times and I believe that he stated in his book that he actually gave mitch an ultimatum of "him or me" a couple of times.
Kobe broke plays often and infuriated jackson. And, he was not close to the Lebron's, Durants, Jordan, Wades, NASH's, efficiency. He was a high volume and avg percentage shooter that was one of the best of all time at creating his own (often bad) shots.
He was good enough at creating to average 8-9 assists a game but he was not willing to give up his shots often enough.
He had that crazy fire and will to win (even if that cost him many times) and he was perhaps even a better defender than jordan.
I personally think that he would make a horrible GM. Not the even keel personality that is balanced and rational that a GM would need.
IM thinking the second time Phil came back, after the book, and when Kobe was more mature and receptive.
Kobe has had ownwership in teams in Italy. Didn't he talk about playing there sometime?
I can see him more a Magic Johnson type and wants to be a business mogul and perhaps an owner, or partner.
Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He's going to be an excellent coach..Go youtube spike lees documentary on kobe, I swear it almost seem like he was thee coach and phil was the assistantBecause Phil empowered him. PHil fueled his leadership and taught him to take over. Kobe had ownership when he did this. Kobe has not gotten along with Tomjanovich, Brown, or MDA. Just Phil.
Kobe is unrelenting and impatient at this stage of his life. Its those very qualities that makes him a killer on the court and It think a not so good executive.
That is far from the truth. He did not get along with Jackson at all. Jackson begged Kupcheck to trade him numerous times and I believe that he stated in his book that he actually gave mitch an ultimatum of "him or me" a couple of times.
Kobe broke plays often and infuriated jackson. And, he was not close to the Lebron's, Durants, Jordan, Wades, NASH's, efficiency. He was a high volume and avg percentage shooter that was one of the best of all time at creating his own (often bad) shots.
He was good enough at creating to average 8-9 assists a game but he was not willing to give up his shots often enough.
He had that crazy fire and will to win (even if that cost him many times) and he was perhaps even a better defender than jordan.
I personally think that he would make a horrible GM. Not the even keel personality that is balanced and rational that a GM would need.
IM thinking the second time Phil came back, after the book, and when Kobe was more mature and receptive.
Kobe has had ownwership in teams in Italy. Didn't he talk about playing there sometime?
I can see him more a Magic Johnson type and wants to be a business mogul and perhaps an owner, or partner.
I can see he being more of an owner. Fits more with his personality.
newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.
Rodman won many championships, all defense, all heart. That does not make a good argument for him to be a GM.
Kobe was a selfish chucker. He did not play correct basketball and that is not what I want him to teach. Hard to teach players to be all defense but you can teach them proper ball movement. He avg'd 4.8 assists, 4.5 before the last 2 bloated years.
Wade avg'd 6 assists per and was/is super efficient. Much more my type of 2 guard.
You replied with a silly comment about him being a ball hog as if that overrides everything else he brought to the table. Robman didn't win his championships as the best player on the team or looked at as one of the leaders.
Kobe is also known for one of the best work ethics and one of the most dedicated to the game of basketball, I guess these things also don't matter because he was a ball hog at times.
He also came out of high school and didn't the amount of PT that Wade did his first 2 yrs in the league.
Not silly, more like over your head maybe.
Exp:
His selfishness and narcissistic personality was very prevalent as a ballplayer and as a person. These do not translate into leadership roles where its not all about you and you don't have the ball.
Please read this excellent piece by Henry Abbot and let me know what you think:
newyorknewyork wrote:sidsanders wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.
jordan won 6 titles, 6 time finals mvp. he has been quite below avg so far making decisions in cha and washington. i think thats the point regarding kobe. the titles and playing career accolades may mean nothing in terms of running a team
Jordan was handed the GM job and made moves with him making a comeback in mind in Washington. I was thinking Kobe could be groomed for a position not directly given the GM position.
and charlotte? not that i agree with the blizzards assessment... the main point remains. just because you were a great player has zero bearing on being a competent gm or a coach -- being a winner/elite as a player doesnt mean you will know how to build a team to do that or coach others effectively.
sidsanders wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:sidsanders wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:mreinman wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.
You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.
jordan won 6 titles, 6 time finals mvp. he has been quite below avg so far making decisions in cha and washington. i think thats the point regarding kobe. the titles and playing career accolades may mean nothing in terms of running a team
Jordan was handed the GM job and made moves with him making a comeback in mind in Washington. I was thinking Kobe could be groomed for a position not directly given the GM position.
and charlotte? not that i agree with the blizzards assessment... the main point remains. just because you were a great player has zero bearing on being a competent gm or a coach -- being a winner/elite as a player doesnt mean you will know how to build a team to do that or coach others effectively.
Aside from that point. Usually coaches and GM's were "team" players not selfish ones.
Nalod wrote:mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He's going to be an excellent coach..Go youtube spike lees documentary on kobe, I swear it almost seem like he was thee coach and phil was the assistantBecause Phil empowered him. PHil fueled his leadership and taught him to take over. Kobe had ownership when he did this. Kobe has not gotten along with Tomjanovich, Brown, or MDA. Just Phil.
Kobe is unrelenting and impatient at this stage of his life. Its those very qualities that makes him a killer on the court and It think a not so good executive.
That is far from the truth. He did not get along with Jackson at all. Jackson begged Kupcheck to trade him numerous times and I believe that he stated in his book that he actually gave mitch an ultimatum of "him or me" a couple of times.
Kobe broke plays often and infuriated jackson. And, he was not close to the Lebron's, Durants, Jordan, Wades, NASH's, efficiency. He was a high volume and avg percentage shooter that was one of the best of all time at creating his own (often bad) shots.
He was good enough at creating to average 8-9 assists a game but he was not willing to give up his shots often enough.
He had that crazy fire and will to win (even if that cost him many times) and he was perhaps even a better defender than jordan.
I personally think that he would make a horrible GM. Not the even keel personality that is balanced and rational that a GM would need.
IM thinking the second time Phil came back, after the book, and when Kobe was more mature and receptive.
Kobe has had ownwership in teams in Italy. Didn't he talk about playing there sometime?
I can see him more a Magic Johnson type and wants to be a business mogul and perhaps an owner, or partner.
I can see that