We have seen the first signs of it with Washington. Now teams like Orlando Milwaukee Boston Detroit will continue to stockpile high caliber talent that is salary controlled + each tam is opening up just as much or more cap space than us. It will be very interesting how we go about things and how PJ puts the team together.
BRIGGS wrote:We have seen the first signs of it with Washington. Now teams like Orlando Milwaukee Boston Detroit will continue to stockpile high caliber talent that is salary controlled + each tam is opening up just as much or more cap space than us. It will be very interesting how we go about things and how PJ puts the team together.
Yes. No way Phil will be dumb enough or pressured to sign melo to the Max.
BRIGGS wrote:We have seen the first signs of it with Washington. Now teams like Orlando Milwaukee Boston Detroit will continue to stockpile high caliber talent that is salary controlled + each tam is opening up just as much or more cap space than us. It will be very interesting how we go about things and how PJ puts the team together.
just think Briggs, orlando will have two lottery picks this draft.. Their own and either the knicks or Denver, whichever is lower.. either way, they will add two talented youngins to that team with some good young talent on it already..
The talent is always there, teams just never quite put it together. Remember when Brandon Jennings got drafted by Milwaukee? They were considered an up and coming contender after his rookie year, then fell apart. Indiana is looking like they have already maxed out. Teams like Cleveland and Detroit have been stockpiling high picks forever and can't turn the corner. It's easy to get excited about lottery talent, but odds are slim these young teams pan out.
tkf wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We have seen the first signs of it with Washington. Now teams like Orlando Milwaukee Boston Detroit will continue to stockpile high caliber talent that is salary controlled + each tam is opening up just as much or more cap space than us. It will be very interesting how we go about things and how PJ puts the team together.
just think Briggs, orlando will have two lottery picks this draft.. Their own and either the knicks or Denver, whichever is lower.. either way, they will add two talented youngins to that team with some good young talent on it already..
Same with Philly who also have MCW and Noel already
Knixkik wrote:The talent is always there, teams just never quite put it together. Remember when Brandon Jennings got drafted by Milwaukee? They were considered an up and coming contender after his rookie year, then fell apart. Indiana is looking like they have already maxed out. Teams like Cleveland and Detroit have been stockpiling high picks forever and can't turn the corner. It's easy to get excited about lottery talent, but odds are slim these young teams pan out.
Well said, out of all these teams 2 of them will probably turn out really good. The rest will be rebuilding again in 4 yrs.
Knixkik wrote:The talent is always there, teams just never quite put it together. Remember when Brandon Jennings got drafted by Milwaukee? They were considered an up and coming contender after his rookie year, then fell apart. Indiana is looking like they have already maxed out. Teams like Cleveland and Detroit have been stockpiling high picks forever and can't turn the corner. It's easy to get excited about lottery talent, but odds are slim these young teams pan out.
Id ade places with those teams right now because they have good young talent, draft picks and salary cap space. I understand people ahte "rebuild" but to be fair te Knicks have been in worse shape te past 15 years by tading away draft picks/young alent for aging overpaid stars
Knixkik wrote:The talent is always there, teams just never quite put it together. Remember when Brandon Jennings got drafted by Milwaukee? They were considered an up and coming contender after his rookie year, then fell apart. Indiana is looking like they have already maxed out. Teams like Cleveland and Detroit have been stockpiling high picks forever and can't turn the corner. It's easy to get excited about lottery talent, but odds are slim these young teams pan out.
History does not repeat. The system is the lower teams get better picks.
Washington went a bit more veteran to get to playoffs after the yoot movement was not working. Take young assets and they can become trade fodder to upgrade is always an option.
PJ is not to offer Melo Max because the market for that is not there. He won't get max money from us or anyone else.
Lakers screwed themselves with Kobes contract. Kobe will get his money but has to shut up about Lakers "Making moves". He took the paycheck which is ok, but just be quiet about it.
StarksEwing1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:The talent is always there, teams just never quite put it together. Remember when Brandon Jennings got drafted by Milwaukee? They were considered an up and coming contender after his rookie year, then fell apart. Indiana is looking like they have already maxed out. Teams like Cleveland and Detroit have been stockpiling high picks forever and can't turn the corner. It's easy to get excited about lottery talent, but odds are slim these young teams pan out.
Id ade places with those teams right now because they have good young talent, draft picks and salary cap space. I understand people ahte "rebuild" but to be fair te Knicks have been in worse shape te past 15 years by tading away draft picks/young alent for aging overpaid stars
Teams like Milwaukee, Minn, Sac, Charlotte, Wash, Cleveland, Detroit, and the list goes on have had young talent, draft picks, and cap space every season, it doesn't mean they will ever be any good.
newyorknewyork wrote:Knixkik wrote:The talent is always there, teams just never quite put it together. Remember when Brandon Jennings got drafted by Milwaukee? They were considered an up and coming contender after his rookie year, then fell apart. Indiana is looking like they have already maxed out. Teams like Cleveland and Detroit have been stockpiling high picks forever and can't turn the corner. It's easy to get excited about lottery talent, but odds are slim these young teams pan out.
Well said, out of all these teams 2 of them will probably turn out really good. The rest will be rebuilding again in 4 yrs.
People just get so caught up in young talent and draft picks, its mind-bloggling. The majority of those teams just spin their wheeles every few years.
Knixkik wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knixkik wrote:The talent is always there, teams just never quite put it together. Remember when Brandon Jennings got drafted by Milwaukee? They were considered an up and coming contender after his rookie year, then fell apart. Indiana is looking like they have already maxed out. Teams like Cleveland and Detroit have been stockpiling high picks forever and can't turn the corner. It's easy to get excited about lottery talent, but odds are slim these young teams pan out.
Well said, out of all these teams 2 of them will probably turn out really good. The rest will be rebuilding again in 4 yrs.
People just get so caught up in young talent and draft picks, its mind-bloggling. The majority of those teams just spin their wheeles every few years.
or maybe you are crapping on the process because the knicks have never had the smarts to take that route and stick to it..
is portland spinning their wheels? the clippers, the wizards? the bobcats?
how do you get the lebrons and the wades' and the kevin loves, and lillards? come on now..
The majority of the teas are not spinning their wheels but are winning.. tell me, how have the knicks method served them?
newyorknewyork wrote:tkf wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We have seen the first signs of it with Washington. Now teams like Orlando Milwaukee Boston Detroit will continue to stockpile high caliber talent that is salary controlled + each tam is opening up just as much or more cap space than us. It will be very interesting how we go about things and how PJ puts the team together.
just think Briggs, orlando will have two lottery picks this draft.. Their own and either the knicks or Denver, whichever is lower.. either way, they will add two talented youngins to that team with some good young talent on it already..
Same with Philly who also have MCW and Noel already
good point, very good point..
Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:The talent is always there, teams just never quite put it together. Remember when Brandon Jennings got drafted by Milwaukee? They were considered an up and coming contender after his rookie year, then fell apart. Indiana is looking like they have already maxed out. Teams like Cleveland and Detroit have been stockpiling high picks forever and can't turn the corner. It's easy to get excited about lottery talent, but odds are slim these young teams pan out.
Id ade places with those teams right now because they have good young talent, draft picks and salary cap space. I understand people ahte "rebuild" but to be fair te Knicks have been in worse shape te past 15 years by tading away draft picks/young alent for aging overpaid stars
Teams like Milwaukee, Minn, Sac, Charlotte, Wash, Cleveland, Detroit, and the list goes on have had young talent, draft picks, and cap space every season, it doesn't mean they will ever be any good.
washington is good, so is charlotte those teams are improved and playing playoff ball.. cleveland and detroit are pretty much on our level as far as quality of play... but those teams have young talent, upside and picks.. do you think we are we are in better shape than they are..
tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:tkf wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We have seen the first signs of it with Washington. Now teams like Orlando Milwaukee Boston Detroit will continue to stockpile high caliber talent that is salary controlled + each tam is opening up just as much or more cap space than us. It will be very interesting how we go about things and how PJ puts the team together.
just think Briggs, orlando will have two lottery picks this draft.. Their own and either the knicks or Denver, whichever is lower.. either way, they will add two talented youngins to that team with some good young talent on it already..
Same with Philly who also have MCW and Noel already
good point, very good point..
So what are you saying?
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
Are you flip flopping? Can you clarify?
High draft picks are the reward for a lost season. They can be great assets. They can be wasted (see Bargs, Curry).
fishmike wrote:tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:tkf wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We have seen the first signs of it with Washington. Now teams like Orlando Milwaukee Boston Detroit will continue to stockpile high caliber talent that is salary controlled + each tam is opening up just as much or more cap space than us. It will be very interesting how we go about things and how PJ puts the team together.
just think Briggs, orlando will have two lottery picks this draft.. Their own and either the knicks or Denver, whichever is lower.. either way, they will add two talented youngins to that team with some good young talent on it already..
Same with Philly who also have MCW and Noel already
good point, very good point..
So what are you saying?Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
Are you flip flopping? Can you clarify? High draft picks are the reward for a lost season. They can be great assets. They can be wasted (see Bargs, Curry).
I will glady clarify, thanks for asking... I am not for teams intentionally tanking to win the lottery, I call them losers.. just like in life.. I work every day, have my own business as well, and I play the lottery.. you see I am not waiting for the lottery to improve my position in life, but If I hit it, then I call that reward or good karma for working hard and doing things the right way..
those who sit around , do nothing and spend their grocery money hoping to hit the lottery.. well that is a losers mentality..
you can apply that here in the NBA.. play to win, if in your hard work, you don't make the playoffs then you get the reward of the lottery, for example the suns....
You see fish, how simple that is.. no flip flopping.. I stand by what I say..
High draft picks are the reward for a lost season. They can be great assets. They can be wasted (see Bargs, Curry).
or they can be great assets... wall, lillard, durant, lebron, etc..... funny how the cavs tried hard and tanked to get lebron... then he leaves them high and dry a some years later... Karma....
I hope teams like the suns get a high pick...
gunsnewing wrote:I'm a big fan of tanking
really? not me.. I am a fan of playing hard, and if you lose, then so be it...
which is why I say change the lottery proceedure..
but i see what you are saying, tanking takes advantage of a flawed lottery system. and in a world of the haves and have nots, come drafting I guess you want to be part of the haves.. LOL
tkf wrote:fishmike wrote:tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:tkf wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We have seen the first signs of it with Washington. Now teams like Orlando Milwaukee Boston Detroit will continue to stockpile high caliber talent that is salary controlled + each tam is opening up just as much or more cap space than us. It will be very interesting how we go about things and how PJ puts the team together.
just think Briggs, orlando will have two lottery picks this draft.. Their own and either the knicks or Denver, whichever is lower.. either way, they will add two talented youngins to that team with some good young talent on it already..
Same with Philly who also have MCW and Noel already
good point, very good point..
So what are you saying?Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
Are you flip flopping? Can you clarify? High draft picks are the reward for a lost season. They can be great assets. They can be wasted (see Bargs, Curry).
I will glady clarify, thanks for asking... I am not for teams intentionally tanking to win the lottery, I call them losers.. just like in life.. I work every day, have my own business as well, and I play the lottery.. you see I am not waiting for the lottery to improve my position in life, but If I hit it, then I call that reward or good karma for working hard and doing things the right way..
those who sit around , do nothing and spend their grocery money hoping to hit the lottery.. well that is a losers mentality..
you can apply that here in the NBA.. play to win, if in your hard work, you don't make the playoffs then you get the reward of the lottery, for example the suns....
You see fish, how simple that is.. no flip flopping.. I stand by what I say..
High draft picks are the reward for a lost season. They can be great assets. They can be wasted (see Bargs, Curry).
or they can be great assets... wall, lillard, durant, lebron, etc..... funny how the cavs tried hard and tanked to get lebron... then he leaves them high and dry a some years later... Karma....
I hope teams like the suns get a high pick...
no thats cool.. you stand by your love for Gallo also. I can see its working well for you
Funny I agree though. Build to win. Draft is there to help teams that suck by giving them a better chance to add talent. Teams will always tank regardless.
tkf wrote:fishmike wrote:tkf wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:tkf wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We have seen the first signs of it with Washington. Now teams like Orlando Milwaukee Boston Detroit will continue to stockpile high caliber talent that is salary controlled + each tam is opening up just as much or more cap space than us. It will be very interesting how we go about things and how PJ puts the team together.
just think Briggs, orlando will have two lottery picks this draft.. Their own and either the knicks or Denver, whichever is lower.. either way, they will add two talented youngins to that team with some good young talent on it already..
Same with Philly who also have MCW and Noel already
good point, very good point..
So what are you saying?Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
Are you flip flopping? Can you clarify? High draft picks are the reward for a lost season. They can be great assets. They can be wasted (see Bargs, Curry).
I will glady clarify, thanks for asking... I am not for teams intentionally tanking to win the lottery, I call them losers.. just like in life.. I work every day, have my own business as well, and I play the lottery.. you see I am not waiting for the lottery to improve my position in life, but If I hit it, then I call that reward or good karma for working hard and doing things the right way..
those who sit around , do nothing and spend their grocery money hoping to hit the lottery.. well that is a losers mentality..
you can apply that here in the NBA.. play to win, if in your hard work, you don't make the playoffs then you get the reward of the lottery, for example the suns....
You see fish, how simple that is.. no flip flopping.. I stand by what I say..
High draft picks are the reward for a lost season. They can be great assets. They can be wasted (see Bargs, Curry).
or they can be great assets... wall, lillard, durant, lebron, etc..... funny how the cavs tried hard and tanked to get lebron... then he leaves them high and dry a some years later... Karma....
I hope teams like the suns get a high pick...
So tank intentionally and get a higher % and a(no guarantees) #1 and you are a loser? (Tim duncan and Wade say hello) But not tank and do the best you can, end up with not the best chance to win %1 and your are good to go? Hmm Your arguement fails, sir, with all due respect. What applies in real life ,as far as waiting for the lottery(need to feed your family), is the opposite of how things work in the NBA. Singnature change is long overdue, but just like in a lottery there is no guarantee of that,is there ?
