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babyKnicks wrote:Melo, Felton and jr for parsons, Asik, Lin and 2 first round picks.

I love melo, but if he opts out we need to seriously think about the future.

Asik and Lin would come off the books on 2015 (can someone consign that) and pardon is awesome and the first round picks are money.

Sounds crazy, but Lin, stat, bargs, chandler, Asik is not a bad starting 5. We still have shump and hardaway and parsons (who could easily be a starter).

And come 2015 we have a ton of cap space with Asik, Lin, chandler and bargs coming off the books.

There is no way that Houston makes that deal. They won't take Felton and JR (nor does it match salary cap wise) and we will be lucky if we get just one of their picks.

mreinman wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:-^great for us!

Wow, Parson's stock has really taken a beating during these playoffs. Maybe we can juice them out of Canaan as well. I gotta admit, I'm getting off on the desperation of Houston's fans lol

I said this the other day -- if they get bounced in the 1st round by Portland (looks likely at this point), their season is a failure, ending that abruptly. Same deal with the Bulls who look like they're on their way out as well in similar fashion (the Rockets and Bulls were each favored to win their series). Those two teams most likely will be looking to lick their wounds, re-tool and improve as fast as possible. This bodes extremely well for us I would think. Two teams that very well may want Melo bad enough to make that big a splash to get him after a failed post-season. Both teams also would still have plenty of star power still in place, even after a deal for Anthony. It'd be logical for them to feel that adding Melo to what they'd have in place is the way to go (a hopefully healed D-Rose, Noah etc. for Chicago; Harden, D12 etc. for Houston). Each team already has a ton invested in high-salary talent, esp. Houston. You would think a trade for Melo would be a worthwhile move for either club, going that extra step toward winning a title.. Each team has the resources to trade for him. Here's hoping these 2 teams lose one more game and do get bounced -- only bodes well for us. We need to force direct competition between these two interested teams -- then maybe get the Lakers involved too. Maybe one more mystery team enters the mix as well...Now that's 3-4 teams competing against one another. That kind of competition should only drive the price up in our favor. IF IT'S CLEAR MELO'S DONE IN NY (big 'if' - no one's sure yet, prob. not even Melo.. If he comes back, great -- then we do a 180° and concentrate on re-tooling around him---I'd be OK with that too if Jax and co. felt we could ultimately succeed going that route), P-Jax needs to play all these teams against one another like a violin and drive the price up as far as he can. That's the name of the game. This man can't be allowed to just up and leave us high & dry for nothing. The man ABSOLUTELY needs to be traded for suitable assets in exchange if it becomes clear he's gone.

Minor update:

Chicago is out

LOL. Right. My bad.

smackeddog wrote:Melo and Harden would not go well together.

I think they can be great together if they are willing to play to each others strengths.

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Melo and Harden would not go well together.

I think they can be great together if they are willing to play to each others strengths.

I just don't see it- their personalities don't really seem to mesh- add Dwight to the mix and you have 3 top players with no leadership abilities between them.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Melo and Harden would not go well together.

I think they can be great together if they are willing to play to each others strengths.

I just don't see it- their personalities don't really seem to mesh- add Dwight to the mix and you have 3 top players with no leadership abilities between them.

Harden is still young and I agree that Dwight is an issue. He is an issue where ever he goes.

I think that a good coach could make it work.

Talent/fit wise, he belongs on Houston with Harden and their spread offense creating many wide open looks/3's for Melo.

Leadership / coaching, he should go chicago but only if they get a PG as well. They will need someone to initiate the offense. Right now that person is Noah playing point center.

mreinman wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Melo, Felton and jr for parsons, Asik, Lin and 2 first round picks.

I love melo, but if he opts out we need to seriously think about the future.

Asik and Lin would come off the books on 2015 (can someone consign that) and pardon is awesome and the first round picks are money.

Sounds crazy, but Lin, stat, bargs, chandler, Asik is not a bad starting 5. We still have shump and hardaway and parsons (who could easily be a starter).

And come 2015 we have a ton of cap space with Asik, Lin, chandler and bargs coming off the books.

There is no way that Houston makes that deal. They won't take Felton and JR (nor does it match salary cap wise) and we will be lucky if we get just one of their picks.

Getting first rounders [as in any] for Melo. Oh the humanity!
The trade works for just Melo. As mreinman points out, who the eff wants Raymond Felton? What's JR done to you? Make too little money? Let your Chris Smith hate balloon go.

Someone touting Bargs as a starting 2 guard, alongside stat, chandler and Asik? Get me that clip of the Bargs dunk attempt/ending of the season play!

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smackeddog wrote:How come all last year we got blasted for shooting lots of threes, with the pundits saying it wasn't sustainable in the playoffs, but no one made that same criticism of the Rockets this season?

What are you talking about? Sir Charles has been getting on them the whole season.

gunsnewing wrote:Gimmick teams launch 3s. Champions aren't as far up in the most 3's attempted category

Miami has been about 5th in league last couple of years. Nets 4th this year.

I guess it would depend on type of roster.

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Gimmick teams launch 3s. Champions aren't as far up in the most 3's attempted category

Miami has been about 5th in league last couple of years. Nets 4th this year.

I guess it would depend on type of roster.

Okc, Miami and SA are 14th, 15th and 16th. The Nets are 10th.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_...

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Gimmick teams launch 3s. Champions aren't as far up in the most 3's attempted category

Miami has been about 5th in league last couple of years. Nets 4th this year.

I guess it would depend on type of roster.

Okc, Miami and SA are 14th, 15th and 16th. The Nets are 10th.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_...

I was looking at rate. Attempted kinda lame without pace, right?

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Gimmick teams launch 3s. Champions aren't as far up in the most 3's attempted category

Miami has been about 5th in league last couple of years. Nets 4th this year.

I guess it would depend on type of roster.

Okc, Miami and SA are 14th, 15th and 16th. The Nets are 10th.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_...

I was looking at rate. Attempted kinda lame without pace, right?

Can you provide the link. Is that 3 point attempts per possessions?

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Gimmick teams launch 3s. Champions aren't as far up in the most 3's attempted category

Miami has been about 5th in league last couple of years. Nets 4th this year.

I guess it would depend on type of roster.

Okc, Miami and SA are 14th, 15th and 16th. The Nets are 10th.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_...

I was looking at rate. Attempted kinda lame without pace, right?

Can you provide the link. Is that 3 point attempts per possessions?

yes. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leag...

check out the Miscellaneous section: 3PAr

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Melo and Harden would not go well together.

I think they can be great together if they are willing to play to each others strengths.

I just don't see it- their personalities don't really seem to mesh- add Dwight to the mix and you have 3 top players with no leadership abilities between them.

I think they can mesh but its up to Harden. I thought he was the glue that held Durant and Westbrook together and made it work. In OKC, Harden was the facilitator, especially down the stretch and allowed Durant and Westbrook to focus on what they do best; score. Harden always made better decisions with the ball than Westbrook and understood when to take it out of his hands.

Since the trade to Houston and the signing of his big contract, Harden looks at himself as more of a scorer. With Melo and Howard, the coach would have to convince Harden to be more of a playmaker, similar to his days in OKC because that would benefit the team tremendously.

Uptown wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Melo and Harden would not go well together.

I think they can be great together if they are willing to play to each others strengths.

I just don't see it- their personalities don't really seem to mesh- add Dwight to the mix and you have 3 top players with no leadership abilities between them.

I think they can mesh but its up to Harden. I thought he was the glue that held Durant and Westbrook together and made it work. In OKC, Harden was the facilitator, especially down the stretch and allowed Durant and Westbrook to focus on what they do best; score. Harden always made better decisions with the ball than Westbrook and understood when to take it out of his hands.

Since the trade to Houston and the signing of his big contract, Harden looks at himself as more of a scorer. With Melo and Howard, the coach would have to convince Harden to be more of a playmaker, similar to his days in OKC because that would benefit the team tremendously.

Great point.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Gimmick teams launch 3s. Champions aren't as far up in the most 3's attempted category

Miami has been about 5th in league last couple of years. Nets 4th this year.

I guess it would depend on type of roster.

Okc, Miami and SA are 14th, 15th and 16th. The Nets are 10th.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_...

I was looking at rate. Attempted kinda lame without pace, right?

Can you provide the link. Is that 3 point attempts per possessions?

yes. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leag...

check out the Miscellaneous section: 3PAr

Nice! thx

I was looking for that.

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mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Melo and Harden would not go well together.

I think they can be great together if they are willing to play to each others strengths.

neither play to the strengths of the players they're playing with so how do you conclude they'd do so with one another?