Knicks · Playoff coaching carnage (page 1)

Dear Knicks, please wait before making a hire of Kerr. There will be more candidates becoming available, coaches with more coaching experience. It must be nice to write on your resume 'Phil likes me' these days. But, what we need is a coach. A coach with experience, especialy in NY where the media and fan base never give you a chance from day 1.

This team has been preaching patience for years. Well, now it is your turn Knicks. Please be patient and wait untill all of the coaching candidates have become available. There will surely be some coaching carnage after the playofs. I encourage you to wait till all of the candidates have become available before making a hire of Kerr. While he might be the best dressed candidate right now, a few weeks from now he may also be the least experienced coach available in a deep pool of very qualified candidates.

The best candidate will be the one that Phil thinks can develop this team into his vision. Thats the #1 requirement to coach the Knicks. Not Melo, X's and O's, not defense, offense... It comes down to who Phil thinks can implement his vision on the court. Sure does look like that's Steve Kerr.

Maybe he is the best candidate, but I would like to see that he is the best candidate in a bigger field that might contain the likes of:

Tom Thibodeau
Doc Rivers
Scott Brooks
Frank Vogel
Kevin McHale
Mark Jackson

Are there any triangle coaches in the playoffs right now? If not then Phil will select Kerr.

Rookie wrote:Maybe he is the best candidate, but I would like to see that he is the best candidate in a bigger field that might contain the likes of:

Tom Thibodeau
Doc Rivers
Scott Brooks
Frank Vogel
Kevin McHale
Mark Jackson

We need the best candidate that Phil can't train. Do you think that Phil can train guys like McHale?

mreinman wrote:

Rookie wrote:Maybe he is the best candidate, but I would like to see that he is the best candidate in a bigger field that might contain the likes of:

Tom Thibodeau
Doc Rivers
Scott Brooks
Frank Vogel
Kevin McHale
Mark Jackson

We need the best candidate that Phil can't train. Do you think that Phil can train guys like McHale?

I thought McHale in that list was for comic relief.

NYKBocker wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Rookie wrote:Maybe he is the best candidate, but I would like to see that he is the best candidate in a bigger field that might contain the likes of:

Tom Thibodeau
Doc Rivers
Scott Brooks
Frank Vogel
Kevin McHale
Mark Jackson

We need the best candidate that Phil can't train. Do you think that Phil can train guys like McHale?

I thought McHale in that list was for comic relief.

He may be fired, that is why he is on the list. If I just listed my personal favorites from the list, it would't be a complete list.

NYKBocker wrote:Are there any triangle coaches in the playoffs right now? If not then Phil will select Kerr.

Kerr has never coached the triangle either.

Rookie wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Rookie wrote:Maybe he is the best candidate, but I would like to see that he is the best candidate in a bigger field that might contain the likes of:

Tom Thibodeau
Doc Rivers
Scott Brooks
Frank Vogel
Kevin McHale
Mark Jackson

We need the best candidate that Phil can't train. Do you think that Phil can train guys like McHale?

I thought McHale in that list was for comic relief.

He may be fired, that is why he is on the list. If I just listed my personal favorites from the list, it would't be a complete list.

Phil needs to train a disciple. There is no chance that we hire any of these coaches.

I don't think people get what phil is trying to do and the trusted infrastructure he needs in place.

Rookie wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Are there any triangle coaches in the playoffs right now? If not then Phil will select Kerr.

Kerr has never coached the triangle either.

There has to be a level of trust towards your leader until he proves that he is not the right man. Big Chief Triangle has been succesful in basketball. Not in the FO but that is who we have. If he thinks Kerr is the man for his team then I embrace that fool 100%.

So Thibb's or Brooks shouldn't even be considered to coach the Knick's? I understand that they are not available....yet, but if/when they are, you wouldn't even consider them as canidates?

Kerr is going to be installed before dudes get fired...Phil is jamming this one in there quickly before chatter takes hold...

I really don't want Kerr as our next coach, but I really don't see Phil hiring an established, veteran coach. It's a gamble- maybe it pays off.

I think Phil realizes Kerr lacks the experience but Kerr seems very intelligent to me and shares a TEAM philosophy
As an analyst, I think he makes great points and is very smart
As a GM, he wanted Tom Thib's as an assistant defensive coach but Dantoni was stubborn
Without experience, Kerr did learn from 2 of the arguably best coaches of 2000+, in both Phil Jackson and Poppavich
As a great shooter himself, physically limited as a player, he had to use what he had to play as long as he did as a role player
He understands the importance of role players, how to motivate and develop these role players, as he was one himself, and I fully expect him to hold players "accountable" playing a TEAM game, and even benching players to set a statement like Poppavich would

Also Phil will hire experienced assistants, scouts, and development coaches, in addition to Phil himself mentoring him behind the scenes for Kerr like Riley has done with Spoelshra
In addition to hiring a training staff, understanding how to motivate players with books (like Sun Zhu's Art of War) in the summer and during the season to help them understand TEAM systems, the power of deception, defining each roles for each player, and sacrificing for the better of the team

Whether we will be implementing the Triangle right away, slowly implementing it, or just running TEAM philosophies that Kerr has learned over the years
Playing for both Phil and Poppavich is definitely a plus
We need to develop talent and our new development coaches will have a big part of that
In addition to the assistants, possibly coaches with coaching experience like

Fred Hoiberg
Ron Harper *which has coaching experience and is a BIG PG that use his size to defend both PG and SG positions, possibly mentoring Iman, JR Smith, a player in the draft like DeAndre Kane, or continued development player like Darrius Morris
Horace Grant

Kurt RambiS
Jim Cleamons

Possibly Brian Shaw if Denver is willing to release him

Possibly Derek Fisher

and other great basketball minds like

Jeff Van Gundy as the lead assistant or defensive coach
ex Poppavich pupils like Steve Hetzel, Bruce Bowen,

Current Spur's coaching staff include

ASSISTANT COACHES
Jim Boylen (College - Maine)
Ime Udoka (College - Portland State)
Chip Engelland (College - Duke)
Chad Forcier (College - Seattle Pacific)
Sean Marks (College - California)

Possibly luring Tim Duncan if he is ready to retire with a high salary, maybe even the vet min deal as a player coach for 2 year vet min deal with player option for 2nd year
Basically let him retire in 1 year but giving him the entire 2 year salary, after that have a handshake under table deal with a high paying salary to be an assistant or development coach

Rasheed Wallace, his skills and fundamentals could be used in all systems, he would be a great hire as a development coach

Ex teammates like Walt Frazier, Willis Reed, Bill Bradley, etc

Having athletic trainers and development coaches that share the same philosophy, understanding how the players need to train their bodies is very important as well
While Phil Jackson always had top tier ALL STARS when he won on the Bulls and Lakers, he also had a deep role players especially in the C with usually 7 footers as rotation, and multiple PG/ G/F's that defended well, hit wide open 3's, and played their roles effectively

holfresh wrote:Kerr is going to be installed before dudes get fired...Phil is jamming this one in there quickly before chatter takes hold...

Looks that way, don't see the rush. Its not that I'm against him getting the job, just would like Jackson to take more time. Thibs would be a great hire and Phil said he wants a system in place, not necessarily the triangle. Thibs has the qualities he says he wants in a coach. Would rather see Kerr as GM and Phil as coach eventually, but we need a team first that he would want to coach.

We are looking to develop a TEAM philosophy this year, possibly even tanking a bit in the process as we own our 1st rounder next summer
So while Kerr might lose more games than a veteran coach, it could work to our advantage

Lets face it, many of use have said we need to rebuild our franchise, with Dolan out of the picture, and Phil Jackson is doing that
Starting from management and all coaching/development staff

Next up is our reconstructing our entire 15 man roster, while we will need to wait till at least 2015 to do so
I would also give it up to 2016, if Durant/Noah are still available as UFA's, unfortunately, we traded our 1st rounder that year for AB

It takes time to get better, sometimes going a step backwards, in order to move a couple more steps forward

We currently do not own any picks this summer, however, we can purchase picks them as we DID NOT use our 3.2m last summer and likely will use it this year to purchase/trade for maybe 1-2 picks in this deep draft
I believe we are also eligible to use it AGAIN, after the draft to entice teams to trade us talents and rights to players drafted
Also I believe this draft is very deep and we will have the ability to find talents that go undrafted

If we can trade Tyson Chandler and Iman Shumpert to OKC as they own 2 1st rounders this summer for Kendrick Perkins expiring and fill ins, possibly one of their young bloods that we can continue to develop from Reggie Jackson, Perry Jones, and whatever picks we can get back

Possibly trading even Tim Hardaway JR *like 2 2nd rounders and a 1st round pick* and JR Smith if we can get great value back for them

JR Smith has the potential and ability to be the last piece to a contending team during next summers trade deadline
It took some times for him to get in NBA shape after surgery, rehab, and he was far from his physical abilities compared to the prior season
If he does return to that player we saw before he got his new contract, which next year would be a contract year because he has a player option, he likely will come ready to play and could at least earn us 1 1st rounder, maybe more

And lets not forget, we can trade Carmelo Anthony who has said that he does not want to wait till 2015 to make a move and would be willing to take less *IF THE KNICK's ARE ABLE TO IMPROVE AS CONTENDERS* like to Houston or Bulls, while many teams can sign him to a lucrative deal with the extra 5m projected, by keeping their assets and just signing him, many teams could and would improve greatly from Bobcats, Atlanta, Orlando, Sun's, Detroit *just to name a few teams that have the ability to sign him and add him to their core without trading for him*

Also he may join Miami with a BIG 4, enjoying the warm weather with his close friends without the STATE TAX, though he still would be taking less
Miami has the ability to have 0 contracts with Wade, Bosh, Lebron, and Haslem having player options, with Norris Cole, Birdman, and Justin Hamilton in low contracts that could be easily traded while getting back assets and trade exemptions in return if they want, with them owning their own 1st rounder and 2nd rounder in this deep draft

Well, with the contracts of STAT (has a player option and can take less), Tyson Chandler, Bargnani (who we gave 3 draft picks for), and in CA's salary would not allow us to improve this summer, so he made a statement knowing that we were not able to get better with the contracts above
Had we not made so many assets for CA and after CA from Felton/Camby, and AB costing us 7 draft picks (after we acquired CA trying to build a contender without leverage)

Also we have failed to utilize the MLE the past 2 years, as it was crucial to sign talents that we could use for our future, failing from Kidd to last year of Pablo/MWP
Instead we traded for AB while Copeland was highly effective as a Knick when we could have resigned him, as he would have taken less to stay a Knick
More importantly, both Pablo and MWP, could have been replaced by vet min contracts like DJ Augustin, Kendall Marshall for PG, and James Johnson at SF/PF who were all 1st round talents and are still young and could continue to develop, instead of players towards the end of their careers
Had we utilized the MLE better and even the vet min signings, I believe we would still be in the playoffs right now, however, Kidd, Pablo, and MWP

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kerr is going to be installed before dudes get fired...Phil is jamming this one in there quickly before chatter takes hold...

Looks that way, don't see the rush. Its not that I'm against him getting the job, just would like Jackson to take more time. Thibs would be a great hire and Phil said he wants a system in place, not necessarily the triangle. Thibs has the qualities he says he wants in a coach. Would rather see Kerr as GM and Phil as coach eventually, but we need a team first that he would want to coach.

I think the rush is not wanting to lose him to GS which clearly looks like the better position but it is not clear that they would let MJax go so its a gamble for Kerr to wait.

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kerr is going to be installed before dudes get fired...Phil is jamming this one in there quickly before chatter takes hold...

Looks that way, don't see the rush. Its not that I'm against him getting the job, just would like Jackson to take more time. Thibs would be a great hire and Phil said he wants a system in place, not necessarily the triangle. Thibs has the qualities he says he wants in a coach. Would rather see Kerr as GM and Phil as coach eventually, but we need a team first that he would want to coach.

I think the rush is not wanting to lose him to GS which clearly looks like the better position but it is not clear that they would let MJax go so its a gamble for Kerr to wait.

They have a very good team. He could be sucessful from day 1 there. To bad the NY media are so negative and would likely call the Jackson/Kerr era a bust after the first loss. It can be a real deterent to getting quality people to come to NY. That said, it wouldn't break my heart if we wind up with Thibb's or Brooks as a consolation prize.

Rookie wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kerr is going to be installed before dudes get fired...Phil is jamming this one in there quickly before chatter takes hold...

Looks that way, don't see the rush. Its not that I'm against him getting the job, just would like Jackson to take more time. Thibs would be a great hire and Phil said he wants a system in place, not necessarily the triangle. Thibs has the qualities he says he wants in a coach. Would rather see Kerr as GM and Phil as coach eventually, but we need a team first that he would want to coach.

I think the rush is not wanting to lose him to GS which clearly looks like the better position but it is not clear that they would let MJax go so its a gamble for Kerr to wait.

They have a very good team. He could be sucessful from day 1 there. To bad the NY media are so negative and would likely call the Jackson/Kerr era a bust after the first loss. It can be a real deterent to getting quality people to come to NY. That said, it wouldn't break my heart if we wind up with Thibb's or Brooks as a consolation prize.

GS is having public issues with Jax. Are they stable? A guy wins 51 and can get canned? That would scare me a bit.

Thibs has had his issues with management and I think that he and phil would be a terrible match in philosophy.

Lately, I am not that impressed with Brooks in OKC. And, there is no way that he is getting canned.

mreinman wrote:

Rookie wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kerr is going to be installed before dudes get fired...Phil is jamming this one in there quickly before chatter takes hold...

Looks that way, don't see the rush. Its not that I'm against him getting the job, just would like Jackson to take more time. Thibs would be a great hire and Phil said he wants a system in place, not necessarily the triangle. Thibs has the qualities he says he wants in a coach. Would rather see Kerr as GM and Phil as coach eventually, but we need a team first that he would want to coach.

I think the rush is not wanting to lose him to GS which clearly looks like the better position but it is not clear that they would let MJax go so its a gamble for Kerr to wait.

They have a very good team. He could be sucessful from day 1 there. To bad the NY media are so negative and would likely call the Jackson/Kerr era a bust after the first loss. It can be a real deterent to getting quality people to come to NY. That said, it wouldn't break my heart if we wind up with Thibb's or Brooks as a consolation prize.

GS is having public issues with Jax. Are they stable? A guy wins 51 and can get canned? That would scare me a bit.

Thibs has had his issues with management and I think that he and phil would be a terrible match in philosophy.

Lately, I am not that impressed with Brooks in OKC. And, there is no way that he is getting canned.

yeah, that team is so freaking cheap they keep dumping very good players for nothing. If I was the coach I'd be having issues with management as well. That said...if all the stuff in the press today happens, Jax is putting together an impressive staff and I can be real happy with that.