gunsnewing wrote:The Knicks gave up so much for Melo they might as well keep him and give him whatever he wantsSucks but it is what it is
No! We almost have a blank slate. Time to start making good decisions.
gunsnewing wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Melo is a big part of the reason why the team is what it is today and Denver/Orlando has our lottery pick this draft. One of the deepest ever
And we would have had Denver's lottery pick. If not for the Bargs trade, which has nothing to do with Melo.
That's in 2016. Denver might not be in the lottery
Then what pick did we give Toronto for Bargs 2016?
I think Melo would be the first player to do that. At least to stay in NY. Most players stay in NY for more money. Players like Jeremy Lin who completely suck in the playoffs leave for more money. Hopefully Melo stays.
gunsnewing wrote:The Knicks gave up so much for Melo they might as well keep him and give him whatever he wantsSucks but it is what it is
This is a BS post. No one that was traded for Melo has come close to playing at a high level. Gallo has barely played any games. If Amare stayed healthy, the Knicks would be in the playoffs and not lost the pick this year. Melo is an easy target.
Silverfuel wrote:I think Melo would be the first player to do that. At least to stay in NY. Most players stay in NY for more money. Players like Jeremy Lin who completely suck in the playoffs leave for more money. Hopefully Melo stays.
gunsnewing wrote:The Knicks gave up so much for Melo they might as well keep him and give him whatever he wantsSucks but it is what it is
This is a BS post. No one that was traded for Melo has come close to playing at a high level. Gallo has barely played any games. If Amare stayed healthy, the Knicks would be in the playoffs and not lost the pick this year. Melo is an easy target.
If the Knicks didn't botch the Billups & Amare situations we could have signed a combination of Jose Calderon, Jarret Jack, Kevin Martin, Oj Mayo, Paul Milsap, Al Jefferson.
Silverfuel wrote:I think Melo would be the first player to do that. At least to stay in NY. Most players stay in NY for more money. Players like Jeremy Lin who completely suck in the playoffs leave for more money. Hopefully Melo stays.
gunsnewing wrote:The Knicks gave up so much for Melo they might as well keep him and give him whatever he wantsSucks but it is what it is
This is a BS post. No one that was traded for Melo has come close to playing at a high level. Gallo has barely played any games. If Amare stayed healthy, the Knicks would be in the playoffs and not lost the pick this year. Melo is an easy target.
Giving up the lottery picks and 40% of the cap space hurt more than anything else, though I still would like to have Mozgov.
Bonn1997 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:I think Melo would be the first player to do that. At least to stay in NY. Most players stay in NY for more money. Players like Jeremy Lin who completely suck in the playoffs leave for more money. Hopefully Melo stays.
gunsnewing wrote:The Knicks gave up so much for Melo they might as well keep him and give him whatever he wantsSucks but it is what it is
This is a BS post. No one that was traded for Melo has come close to playing at a high level. Gallo has barely played any games. If Amare stayed healthy, the Knicks would be in the playoffs and not lost the pick this year. Melo is an easy target.
Giving up the lottery picks and 40% of the cap space hurt more than anything else, though I still would like to have Mozgov.
Putting protection on draft picks are also not Melo's responsibility.
Agreed I certainly blame the incompetent Knicks more than I do Melo. Just don't like when fans and media make Melo the victim
gunsnewing wrote:Agreed I certainly blame the incompetent Knicks more than I do Melo. Just don't like when fans and media make Melo the victim
Yet have no problem when people try to vilify him? All the talk of the trade but I could see Melo believing that him Billups & Amare would be a nice trio going forward.
Same people ripping the trade are the same people who talk about Billups being top 6 MVP candidate 2 seasons prior. So he was great when it convenient to bash Melo's ability to reach the WCF but he isn't that good when its convenient to bash the trade.
By the end of the season management had a choice to set the team up for the future and made the wrong decisions. Doesn't matter if we traded for Melo or not, if management makes poor decisions it ends in the same result.
So based on there being only 2 responses to the actual question I am assuming he would be the first?
Bonn1997 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:I think Melo would be the first player to do that. At least to stay in NY. Most players stay in NY for more money. Players like Jeremy Lin who completely suck in the playoffs leave for more money. Hopefully Melo stays.
gunsnewing wrote:The Knicks gave up so much for Melo they might as well keep him and give him whatever he wantsSucks but it is what it is
This is a BS post. No one that was traded for Melo has come close to playing at a high level. Gallo has barely played any games. If Amare stayed healthy, the Knicks would be in the playoffs and not lost the pick this year. Melo is an easy target.
Giving up the lottery picks and 40% of the cap space hurt more than anything else, though I still would like to have Mozgov.
why?
What in the world has Mozgov done that makes him so attractive to you as a player?
Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:NYS tax rate over a mil is 8.82%...NYC tax rate over 500k is 3.875%...Florida and Texas have no state tax..
It takes him about 3 weeks to earn that back in endorsements
The CBA needs to be changed to even the playing field. Having no state income tax is a huge advantage for teams in Florida and Texas. Ny taxes are ridiculous.
But fans in most states are going to say the CBA needs to be modified to make up for the endorsement rates. I'd rather have the biggest endorsement market in the continent and pay an extra 8% taxes. This is just a desperate complaint by Knicks' fans.
Papabear Says
So what are you?? Are you saying that you are not a Knicks fan. And anyway just a few players on the Knicks have endorsements and the other 12 don't.
newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:I think Melo would be the first player to do that. At least to stay in NY. Most players stay in NY for more money. Players like Jeremy Lin who completely suck in the playoffs leave for more money. Hopefully Melo stays.
gunsnewing wrote:The Knicks gave up so much for Melo they might as well keep him and give him whatever he wantsSucks but it is what it is
This is a BS post. No one that was traded for Melo has come close to playing at a high level. Gallo has barely played any games. If Amare stayed healthy, the Knicks would be in the playoffs and not lost the pick this year. Melo is an easy target.
Giving up the lottery picks and 40% of the cap space hurt more than anything else, though I still would like to have Mozgov.
Putting protection on draft picks are also not Melo's responsibility.
The last 15 years is Dolan's responsility
Papabear wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:NYS tax rate over a mil is 8.82%...NYC tax rate over 500k is 3.875%...Florida and Texas have no state tax..
It takes him about 3 weeks to earn that back in endorsements
The CBA needs to be changed to even the playing field. Having no state income tax is a huge advantage for teams in Florida and Texas. Ny taxes are ridiculous.
But fans in most states are going to say the CBA needs to be modified to make up for the endorsement rates. I'd rather have the biggest endorsement market in the continent and pay an extra 8% taxes. This is just a desperate complaint by Knicks' fans.
Papabear Says
So what are you??
A more rational Knicks fan 
newyorknewyork wrote:sidsanders wrote:didnt dirk do that to stay with dallas not too long ago?
Don't think he has done it yet, but planned to this coming off season in order to entice Paul or Howard that if they signed there he would take less money to get a 3rd guy or something like that.
"Despite being a free agent, on July 5, 2010, Nowitzki agreed to remain with Dallas by re-signing to a four-year, $80 million deal"
he could have done 4/96.
sidsanders wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:sidsanders wrote:didnt dirk do that to stay with dallas not too long ago?
Don't think he has done it yet, but planned to this coming off season in order to entice Paul or Howard that if they signed there he would take less money to get a 3rd guy or something like that.
"Despite being a free agent, on July 5, 2010, Nowitzki agreed to remain with Dallas by re-signing to a four-year, $80 million deal"
he could have done 4/96.
And that was before he won a ring. It allowed Dallas to add Tyson and other pieces. Even if makes takes less in the $17-23m for the 5yr duration we still need to add players around him when he can go to Chicago and team up with Noah and Rose and contend right away
And even then Dallas winning was kinda of a fluke not sustainable. To build a sustainable winner you need to draft well and make smart trades and FA signings. You have to build a winning core
sidsanders wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:sidsanders wrote:didnt dirk do that to stay with dallas not too long ago?
Don't think he has done it yet, but planned to this coming off season in order to entice Paul or Howard that if they signed there he would take less money to get a 3rd guy or something like that.
"Despite being a free agent, on July 5, 2010, Nowitzki agreed to remain with Dallas by re-signing to a four-year, $80 million deal"
he could have done 4/96.
NY taxes cut the 24 mil he could have taken to just below 21 mil a year. The income tax advantage in a state like texas is huge.
CrushAlot wrote:sidsanders wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:sidsanders wrote:didnt dirk do that to stay with dallas not too long ago?
Don't think he has done it yet, but planned to this coming off season in order to entice Paul or Howard that if they signed there he would take less money to get a 3rd guy or something like that.
"Despite being a free agent, on July 5, 2010, Nowitzki agreed to remain with Dallas by re-signing to a four-year, $80 million deal"
he could have done 4/96.
NY taxes cut the 24 mil he could have taken to just below 21 mil a year. The income tax advantage in a state like texas is huge.
dirk still could have done 4/96 and didnt. he gave up $ in a tax adv state.
sidsanders wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:sidsanders wrote:didnt dirk do that to stay with dallas not too long ago?
Don't think he has done it yet, but planned to this coming off season in order to entice Paul or Howard that if they signed there he would take less money to get a 3rd guy or something like that.
"Despite being a free agent, on July 5, 2010, Nowitzki agreed to remain with Dallas by re-signing to a four-year, $80 million deal"
he could have done 4/96.
Okay, I knew he signed for 80mil, didn't know he could have had 96.
Its close but at the same time he had Kidd & Terry as his core mates already and they won 50, 55, 57 games around that time period for 3 yrs. It seems more similar to Duncan then what we are asking Melo.
With Melo we are talking about him taking less and then probably rebuilding the whole core of Tyson, Smith, Amare, Felton, Shump. Not taking less to maybe add one or 2 more pieces to an already establish core to push them over the top.
Even with this said, Melo taking a pay cut isn't that crazy since he is only due this amount of money due to the fact that he has been in the league for so long and is able to get raises to his max. Same thing with Dirk.
To net the same as Dirk, Melo would have to be paid 21 mil because of ny taxes.
NYC taxes is more reason to draft and develope your own players but we don't do that we starphuch
See the Ny rangers
