holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to meAlso Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas
Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:
- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.
Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade 
those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...
So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??
was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?
what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?
You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...
what I act like has nothing to do with what is being discussed!!! focus on the issues!!! what did your saviour phil touch on? that is what I am addressing.. THATS ALL!!
And if you think this mess we are in had to do with MDA and amare, it just prove me correct.. before the dreadful trade MDA and amare were above .500... not sure how that killed the knicks.. just stop it... we didn't trade picks, we didn't trade young players to get them.. this is what Phil is touching on.. I know it hurts but suck it up..
tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to meAlso Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas
Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:
- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.
Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade
those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...
So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??
was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?
what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?
You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...
what I act like has nothing to do with what is being discussed!!! focus on the issues!!! what did your saviour phil touch on? that is what I am addressing.. THATS ALL!!
And if you think this mess we are in had to do with MDA and amare, it just prove me correct.. before the dreadful trade MDA and amare were above .500... not sure how that killed the knicks.. just stop it... we didn't trade picks, we didn't trade young players to get them.. this is what Phil is touching on.. I know it hurts but suck it up..
You put your "spin" on an issue and cry foul when your spin is addressed...ok...
holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to meAlso Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas
Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:
- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.
Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade
those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...
So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??
was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?
what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?
You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...
what I act like has nothing to do with what is being discussed!!! focus on the issues!!! what did your saviour phil touch on? that is what I am addressing.. THATS ALL!!
And if you think this mess we are in had to do with MDA and amare, it just prove me correct.. before the dreadful trade MDA and amare were above .500... not sure how that killed the knicks.. just stop it... we didn't trade picks, we didn't trade young players to get them.. this is what Phil is touching on.. I know it hurts but suck it up..
You put your "spin" on an issue and cry foul when your spin is addressed...ok...
this is so weird! Has another TFK thread spiraled into Melo hate?
So with Melo he's a looooser because he wins in the reg season but his teams have struggled in the playoffs. However so long as Melo isnt here being above .500 is just great with TFK. Cmon holfresh.. you didnt see that one coming?
Not another "blame it all on Donnie for MDA and Amare vs. Melo" thread........
holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to meAlso Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas
Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:
- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.
Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade
those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...
So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??
was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?
what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?
You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...
what I act like has nothing to do with what is being discussed!!! focus on the issues!!! what did your saviour phil touch on? that is what I am addressing.. THATS ALL!!
And if you think this mess we are in had to do with MDA and amare, it just prove me correct.. before the dreadful trade MDA and amare were above .500... not sure how that killed the knicks.. just stop it... we didn't trade picks, we didn't trade young players to get them.. this is what Phil is touching on.. I know it hurts but suck it up..
You put your "spin" on an issue and cry foul when your spin is addressed...ok...
tell me holfresh what spin did I put on it.. I said I agree with your savior.. PHil.. now do you have a problem with that Phil said?
No need for Phil to discuss or comment on Amare. He is probably dead to him though he is stuck with him for a year.
Amare is irrelevant to Phil though Carmelo is in play so he will be discussing a lot of Melo.
Did D'antoni demand that the Knicks get Amare? I want aware of it. He may have endorsed it bit I doubt he had anything to do with the decision. Coaches don't hire players GMs do. This board seems oddly split between those who worship Melo and those who don't.
meloshouldgo wrote:Did D'antoni demand that the Knicks get Amare? I want aware of it. He may have endorsed it bit I doubt he had anything to do with the decision. Coaches don't hire players GMs do. This board seems oddly split between those who worship Melo and those who don't.
He had to have a reconciliation meeting with him so I doubt he demanded Amare be signed. I think it was more about Walsh coming away with something after trading assets and youth to get the cap space to be a player in the 2010 free agent class.
We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.
Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.
Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.
What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?
I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).
tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to meAlso Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas
Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:
- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.
Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade
those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...
So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??
was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?
what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?
You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...
what I act like has nothing to do with what is being discussed!!! focus on the issues!!! what did your saviour phil touch on? that is what I am addressing.. THATS ALL!!
And if you think this mess we are in had to do with MDA and amare, it just prove me correct.. before the dreadful trade MDA and amare were above .500... not sure how that killed the knicks.. just stop it... we didn't trade picks, we didn't trade young players to get them.. this is what Phil is touching on.. I know it hurts but suck it up..
You put your "spin" on an issue and cry foul when your spin is addressed...ok...
tell me holfresh what spin did I put on it.. I said I agree with your savior.. PHil.. now do you have a problem with that Phil said?
Where did Phil say the trade killed the franchise?? That's your spin...Phil is my savior??...Ha..I have been called a Phil hater by many already because I dare to ask questions, like too much to ask to interview an experienced coach??...You aren't supposed to question the "Grand Poobah" or "Big Chief Triangle"...I'll make that trade tomorrow again...
meloshouldgo wrote:Did D'antoni demand that the Knicks get Amare? I want aware of it. He may have endorsed it bit I doubt he had anything to do with the decision. Coaches don't hire players GMs do. This board seems oddly split between those who worship Melo and those who don't.
It maybe split, but reality is what it is. MDA and walsh were both on the same page with bringing in Amare.
Allan Houston got a 100 mill 12 yrs prior(avg gas price was $1.63)..Go check the list of the worst NBA contracts in the history of the league, the Knicks had 5 players in the top 10( Baker, Jerome james, eddy curry, allan houston and 2 more i forgot) Amare was no where on that list, not even top 50.
And I disagree with you, if the Coach/gm/pres are not on the same page about a player the want to bring in, it's never going to work, ever
mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.
Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.
What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?
I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).
Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.
knicks1248 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Did D'antoni demand that the Knicks get Amare? I want aware of it. He may have endorsed it bit I doubt he had anything to do with the decision. Coaches don't hire players GMs do. This board seems oddly split between those who worship Melo and those who don't.
It maybe split, but reality is what it is. MDA and walsh were both on the same page with bringing in Amare.
Allan Houston got a 100 mill 12 yrs prior(avg gas price was $1.63)..Go check the list of the worst NBA contracts in the history of the league, the Knicks had 5 players in the top 10( Baker, Jerome james, eddy curry, allan houston and 2 more i forgot) Amare was no where on that list, not even top 50.
And I disagree with you, if the Coach/gm/pres are not on the same page about a player the want to bring in, it's never going to work, ever
#24 as of a year and a half ago (probably has moved into the top 10 by now):
24. Amare Stoudemire
Year: 2010
Contract: 5 years, $99 million
Just another overpaid New York Knick. A bad back has, um, extinguished Stoudemire's legendary explosiveness, but making matters worse—untradeably worse—is that his deal is uninsured. The Knicks may be back, but until STAT is, their future is largely tied to this anchor of a contract.
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.
Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.
What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?
I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).
Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.
How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).
Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.
Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.
Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.
Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.
What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?
I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).
Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.
How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).
Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.
Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.
Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow
Well if you can't insure a guys contract because of past surgeries and the team that he wants to play for won't sign him to a long term deal because their medical staff says there is a time limit on his knees I guess you ignore that and sign him anyway? Making knucklehead mistakes like throwing down so hard in warm ups that you hurt your back or punching out a fire extinguisher were just extras. Three knee surgeries in 12 months when you are owed 66 mil over three years is a mistake in my opinion. Especially if everyone else was aware that there was a pretty good chance that that was how things would eventually work out.
CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.
Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.
What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?
I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).
Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.
How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).
Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.
Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.
Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow
Well if you can't insure a guys contract because of past surgeries and the team that he wants to play for won't sign him to a long term deal because their medical staff says there is a time limit on his knees I guess you ignore that and sign him anyway? Making knucklehead mistakes like throwing down so hard in warm ups that you hurt your back or punching out a fire extinguisher were just extras. Three knee surgeries in 12 months when you are owed 66 mil over three years is a mistake in my opinion. Especially if everyone else was aware that there was a pretty good chance that that was how things would eventually work out.
But he only miss 4 total months because of knee issues. Even is he was insured, he didn't miss enough time for the franchise to take out a claim on him..
If you have a $500 deductible and the damage to your car is $300 would you put in a claim. Tyson chandler miss close to the same amount of games amare miss, K love has miss twice the amount of games amare miss, and what about rose and rondo.
Even if Amare was making 5 mill less per, were still over the cap..
should I mention that we have been in the Playoffs every since he got here, outside of this season where Tyson miss damn near half the season and felton was complete trash. Im pretty sure the way our stupid medical staff and Woodson utilize amare this season was a fckng waist, and they realize way to late.
wade played half a season this yr, and is probably have seen his best day behind him, but not one single heat fan on any forum on the internet, talking about they can't wait until his contract is up..
I'm done with the past at this point. We've argued about it ad infinitum and will never all agree on the mistakes. What matters now is that we're one season away from the cap killing contracts being erased, we've got a 1st rd pick in 2015 and after 2016 we'll start seeing all of our picks again, tho 2017 we gave a 2nd for Bargs I think. Still the point is that Phil will have the full complement of cap and picks down the line during his tenure. We might even see Phil make some trades to start the process even sooner. So we need to focus on the present and future.
holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:This is great. Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's like Phil is one of use. Finally an executive who is in tune with every aspect of the organization. The fact he knows that we already bent over backwards for Denver is amazing to meAlso Chris Herring of the wall st journal is by far my favorite Knicks beat guy. He is credible. No agendas
Ha, yeah it's uncanny how in tune with this board Phil is! Before his hiring, a lot of posters wanted:
- A fresh new coach like Vogel or Brad Stevens
- more use of analytics
- don't over pay Melo
-Stop trading away picks
- stop negotiating against ourselves.
Seems like Phil is in agreement. Ha- he's even bitter about the Denver trade
those are good rules to follow. I like that, and yea, even phil knows the denver trade killed this franchise.. time to stop making deals like that...
So the Amare signing and MDA signing was a great get??
was justin bieber paying close to 100k for a custom cadillac a GREAT get?
what does amare and MDA have to do with what we are talking about?
You are acting like the Denver trade killed us and not MDA's need for Amare at all cost...Amare gave us half a season on a 100 mil deal.."Trade or no trade", Amare's contract and health destroyed us...
what I act like has nothing to do with what is being discussed!!! focus on the issues!!! what did your saviour phil touch on? that is what I am addressing.. THATS ALL!!
And if you think this mess we are in had to do with MDA and amare, it just prove me correct.. before the dreadful trade MDA and amare were above .500... not sure how that killed the knicks.. just stop it... we didn't trade picks, we didn't trade young players to get them.. this is what Phil is touching on.. I know it hurts but suck it up..
You put your "spin" on an issue and cry foul when your spin is addressed...ok...
tell me holfresh what spin did I put on it.. I said I agree with your savior.. PHil.. now do you have a problem with that Phil said?
Where did Phil say the trade killed the franchise?? That's your spin...Phil is my savior??...Ha..I have been called a Phil hater by many already because I dare to ask questions, like too much to ask to interview an experienced coach??...You aren't supposed to question the "Grand Poobah" or "Big Chief Triangle"...I'll make that trade tomorrow again...
and get the same result-- insane
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.
Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.
What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?
I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).
Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.
How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).
Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.
Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.
Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow
Well if you can't insure a guys contract because of past surgeries and the team that he wants to play for won't sign him to a long term deal because their medical staff says there is a time limit on his knees I guess you ignore that and sign him anyway? Making knucklehead mistakes like throwing down so hard in warm ups that you hurt your back or punching out a fire extinguisher were just extras. Three knee surgeries in 12 months when you are owed 66 mil over three years is a mistake in my opinion. Especially if everyone else was aware that there was a pretty good chance that that was how things would eventually work out.
But he only miss 4 total months because of knee issues. Even is he was insured, he didn't miss enough time for the franchise to take out a claim on him..
If you have a $500 deductible and the damage to your car is $300 would you put in a claim. Tyson chandler miss close to the same amount of games amare miss, K love has miss twice the amount of games amare miss, and what about rose and rondo.
Even if Amare was making 5 mill less per, were still over the cap..
Amare has played 2100 minutes in the last two seasons and has had a cap hold of over 20 million both of those seasons. And he is due 22 mil next year. Some of Amare's problems were self inflicted but Amare's knees broke down three years before the end of his contract. Maybe the Knicks can nurse him along again next year and get 50+ games and 1000 minutes but they are paying a kings ransom for it and Amare's potential to have very serious problem with his knees was known when the only team that would offer him a max deal was the knicks.
CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:We overpaid for Melo. We absolutely were retarded on Amare.Did Melo hurt what Amare could have done here? Amare could never have been a piece of a winner. He was a deterrent due to his ridiculous contract.
Did getting Amare hurt what Melo could have done. It certainly did.
What if instead of Amare, we got West or Milsap + a Lowry type of player? Then we added pieces around that?
I can understand if people don't like melo and question parts of his game. His shot selection, his defense, etc ... but we could have put a pretty good team around him. Its probably what Phil is hoping to redo. Build a better team around Melo (for the right price).
Great post. The Amare signing, with what the docs in Phoenix were saying was really stupid and played out that way.
How were we stupid, did their doctors warn us about Amare's habit of slapping metal objects, did they warn us about his trick shots during warm ups the messes up his back, did they warn us about a lock out, did they warn us that he was going to lead the league in minutes played (before meloe got here)and HOW MDA would run him into the ground until he eventually broke down (also see Kobe under MDA and the mins he played, and how that turned out).
Did they warn us about melo coming over and literally taking 10 to 15 touches away from Amare, did they warn us that Tyson and Amare was not a good fit from jump.
Maybe you guys would have prefered Bosh or josh smith, for about 2 mill less, or joe johnson for 5 mill more.
Anybody who says Amare hampered this team because of his knee woes(4 total months out of 22.. he miss because of his knees) , is just a flat out hater, know very little about basketball and how a team succeeds, and their mind is just to narrow
Well if you can't insure a guys contract because of past surgeries and the team that he wants to play for won't sign him to a long term deal because their medical staff says there is a time limit on his knees I guess you ignore that and sign him anyway? Making knucklehead mistakes like throwing down so hard in warm ups that you hurt your back or punching out a fire extinguisher were just extras. Three knee surgeries in 12 months when you are owed 66 mil over three years is a mistake in my opinion. Especially if everyone else was aware that there was a pretty good chance that that was how things would eventually work out.
But he only miss 4 total months because of knee issues. Even is he was insured, he didn't miss enough time for the franchise to take out a claim on him..
If you have a $500 deductible and the damage to your car is $300 would you put in a claim. Tyson chandler miss close to the same amount of games amare miss, K love has miss twice the amount of games amare miss, and what about rose and rondo.
Even if Amare was making 5 mill less per, were still over the cap..
Amare has played 2100 minutes in the last two seasons and has had a cap hold of over 20 million both of those seasons. And he is due 22 mil next year. Some of Amare's problems were self inflicted but Amare's knees broke down three years before the end of his contract. Maybe the Knicks can nurse him along again next year and get 50+ games and 1000 minutes but they are paying a kings ransom for it and Amare's potential to have very serious problem with his knees was known when the only team that would offer him a max deal was the knicks.
So the fact that he change the culture and attracted some pretty good players to join him in the process, not to mention the team has had more success (since he jumped on bored), then they have had in 13 yrs. Lets talk about all the national televise games, sold out MSG.
Whatever the case maybe, he did more good than bad, The team was getting better every year until this bull sht yr, and he was actually a bright spot down the stretch. This dude literally strapped the franchise on his back, took us out the grave made us respectable..fck the 20 million, the franchise is attractive, it's got a decent future ahead, and he can be a solid role player for us.
I's not like amre is a bad influence, lazy and doesn't give sht, cmon the dude spent like a $1000 a min trying to learn new post moves, while JR was riding bikes in the city, and felton was in every club in the city
You think phil is coming here with out melo, you think melo is coming here with out Amare..It's a wise investment from so many prospectives..Thinking outside the box.
