interesting... We have all heard time and time again that Melo doesnt pass and dominates the ball. So here's what NBA.com stats have to say:
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingTouch...Time of possession: 3.6 minutes per game (total minutes the ball is in his hands)
top 10 (all PGs) average 6.8 (Lowry) to 7.8 (John Wall)
notable non PGs:
Lebron 4.9
Harden 4.7
Melo 3.6
Durant 3.5
George 3.3
Touches per game: (defined as touching the ball and having possesion)
Klove 86.2
BlakeG 79.4
Lebron 75.6
Harden 71.3
PGeorge 69.5
Melo 69.2
Durant 69
Dirk 62.9
JR Smith 53
Passes per game:
Noah 66.8 (amazing as he's #6 in the NBA and makes the most passes for a non PG)
KLove 60
BlakeG 54
Lebron 49
George 45
Harden 45
Dirk 42
Melo 41
Durant 39
Wade 37
JJohnson 28
Assist opportunities per game
Lebron 12
Harden 11.7
Durant 10.2
Love 8.5
PGeorge 7.3
Melo 6.3
Dirk 5.3
I still believe Melo holds on to the ball too long at times. Would like to see him catch the ball and immediately attack the rim more often. Less predictable.
You expect your top player to get the ball often. But it's what they do with the ball once they get it. Melo needs to pass more and create easy opportunity for his teammates.
GustavBahler wrote:I still believe Melo holds on to the ball too long at times. Would like to see him catch the ball and immediately attack the rim more often. Less predictable.
I just dont like iso basketball period. Its a big part of the triangle so this will be interesting. My beef on the Melo's time here with Woody is Woody calls for too many isos. Felton or Prigs would walk it up court, spreads the floor and hand it off so Melo could one on one. Those possessions would make me nuts. Agree with you.. flow of the offense and Melo is better player. Stop and hold I cant stand.
He should be around the 10+ ast opp. per game territory. 6.3 is very low.
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I still believe Melo holds on to the ball too long at times. Would like to see him catch the ball and immediately attack the rim more often. Less predictable.
I just dont like iso basketball period. Its a big part of the triangle so this will be interesting. My beef on the Melo's time here with Woody is Woody calls for too many isos. Felton or Prigs would walk it up court, spreads the floor and hand it off so Melo could one on one. Those possessions would make me nuts. Agree with you.. flow of the offense and Melo is better player. Stop and hold I cant stand.
ISO is just another tool in the toolbox, it gets to be too much when its the only kind of play that's being run. Its good when you have a mismatch or when the defense is doing a good job of preventing good looks and you want to give it to the player with the best chance of getting the job done.
I agree about Woodson going to that well much too often. Sometimes Melo was the only one who could find the rim, and he had to carry the load more than he should have, but there were also times when Woodson relied on him too much. Its about striking the right balance IMO. Hard to find HOFers who didn't have ISOs as part of their game.
Good info on Melo. This is why I love advanced stats. You get a better and more accurate picture of what is happening rather than just what you feel is happening.
Melo should be better in a structured system like the Triangle. Not so much because of him as the fact that the rest of the team will have specific roles and won't become spectators. We've been BEGGING for this kind of change for years. Now when Melo gets the ball there will be off ball motion and options. Melo should have better space to do what he does and his ISO won't be breaking the play it will be part of the play with options should a team double team him.
I think Melo will actually get to pass more and it will actually lead to more assists because the motion of the Triangle is meaningful motion and not just guys running around like headless chickens. The motion is leading to good shots and scoring opportunities and creates space. I can't tell you how often I complained to my sons that Knick players were getting in each other's way and bumping into each other and it drove me crazy. They never could maintain spacing unless they had everyone behind the 3pt line. That's just bad basketball. Now we'll be playing to the strengths of Melo and many other players on this team. Not everyone will fit and they'll have to go. If Melo stays he'll benefit from the changes Phil has in store. If I was Melo i'd stay, but I can understand the grass looking greener elsewhere.
melo is an orchestrator that doesn't get the credit he deserves,
give him a plan and some quality on the wings and he'll drop buckets for you clean
IronWillGiroud wrote:melo is an orchestrator that doesn't get the credit he deserves,give him a plan and some quality on the wings and he'll drop buckets for you clean
word up son
fishmike wrote:interesting... We have all heard time and time again that Melo doesnt pass and dominates the ball. So here's what NBA.com stats have to say:
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingTouch...Time of possession: 3.6 minutes per game (total minutes the ball is in his hands)
top 10 (all PGs) average 6.8 (Lowry) to 7.8 (John Wall)
notable non PGs:
Lebron 4.9
Harden 4.7
Melo 3.6
Durant 3.5
George 3.3
Touches per game: (defined as touching the ball and having possesion)
Klove 86.2
BlakeG 79.4
Lebron 75.6
Harden 71.3
PGeorge 69.5
Melo 69.2
Durant 69
Dirk 62.9
JR Smith 53
Passes per game:
Noah 66.8 (amazing as he's #6 in the NBA and makes the most passes for a non PG)
KLove 60
BlakeG 54
Lebron 49
George 45
Harden 45
Dirk 42
Melo 41
Durant 39
Wade 37
JJohnson 28
Assist opportunities per game
Lebron 12
Harden 11.7
Durant 10.2
Love 8.5
PGeorge 7.3
Melo 6.3
Dirk 5.3
Anyone know what the league average is for opportunities that are converted into assists?
Generally speaking, a player will turn about half of the assist opportunities into assists. An assist opportunity doesn't turn into an assist because the guy the ball was passed to misses a shot.
y2zipper wrote:Generally speaking, a player will turn about half of the assist opportunities into assists. An assist opportunity doesn't turn into an assist because the guy the ball was passed to misses a shot.
Is it half? That's higher than the league average FG%.
fishmike wrote:interesting... We have all heard time and time again that Melo doesnt pass and dominates the ball. So here's what NBA.com stats have to say:
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingTouch...Time of possession: 3.6 minutes per game (total minutes the ball is in his hands)
top 10 (all PGs) average 6.8 (Lowry) to 7.8 (John Wall)
notable non PGs:
Lebron 4.9
Harden 4.7
Melo 3.6
Durant 3.5
George 3.3
Touches per game: (defined as touching the ball and having possesion)
Klove 86.2
BlakeG 79.4
Lebron 75.6
Harden 71.3
PGeorge 69.5
Melo 69.2
Durant 69
Dirk 62.9
JR Smith 53
Passes per game:
Noah 66.8 (amazing as he's #6 in the NBA and makes the most passes for a non PG)
KLove 60
BlakeG 54
Lebron 49
George 45
Harden 45
Dirk 42
Melo 41
Durant 39
Wade 37
JJohnson 28
Assist opportunities per game
Lebron 12
Harden 11.7
Durant 10.2
Love 8.5
PGeorge 7.3
Melo 6.3
Dirk 5.3
Was this lack of opportunities on the system of Melo? He seemed to attack with his head down.
Phil could fix this.
Bonn1997 wrote:y2zipper wrote:Generally speaking, a player will turn about half of the assist opportunities into assists. An assist opportunity doesn't turn into an assist because the guy the ball was passed to misses a shot.
Is it half? That's higher than the league average FG%.
Roughly half, yes... An assist opportunity usually gives a player an easier shot, so it should be higher than the league FG%. It's only based on a small analysis I did, but at the top of the list and down, nobody really gets half. A player that gets 12 assist opportunities a game is a 6-assist guy. Nobody significantly defers from half.
That makes sense. Thanks.
