Knicks · Fisher appears to have agreed to be our new coach (page 5)
gunsnewing wrote:They are really hung up on "I look forward to free agency" huh?
Probably letting us know he's not opting in
nixluva wrote:It's less important whether Melo stays or not as opposed to the change in culture and the manner in which they build this team from here on. Melo can be a part of this or not and we still have a future. We still have some young players to develop and roster moves to make in order to make this team a winner. It's only the beginning of the process. If Melo opts out then this thing will get much more drastic right away. Melo leaving would make it a more complete rebuild but not necessarily some bad thing as some would think.
They're both very important
TeamBall wrote:yea they are. Its not the NFL where you can lose your best most productive player and fill holes. If Melo leaves it massively changes the plan and landscape. The one (thank god) caveat is the timing could help us. It gives us a year to build up the bottom of the roster then we can look to sign 2-3 max type guys next summer with Phil and Fisher rolling out the red carpet etc.nixluva wrote:It's less important whether Melo stays or not as opposed to the change in culture and the manner in which they build this team from here on. Melo can be a part of this or not and we still have a future. We still have some young players to develop and roster moves to make in order to make this team a winner. It's only the beginning of the process. If Melo opts out then this thing will get much more drastic right away. Melo leaving would make it a more complete rebuild but not necessarily some bad thing as some would think.
They're both very important
Awfully hard for Melo to walk away from what is being created here. I just dont see it.
And we need a Civic and a SUV emoticon
fishmike wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:I don't have a problem with this signing - in fact, I'm optimistic for the Phisher era - but I am shocked at how unanimously thrilled everyone seems to be here (this board is divided on everything - bring back the Gallo vs. Wilson threads!)I dont think its too big a roll of the dice. Phil (and everyone else) knows this guy's personality. Its all about being accountable and transparent. Fisher is so very respected by the players, both on court and off. He certainly has a lot of experienceWe're absolutely rolling the dice on this one. $25M/5 years on a rookie coach (more than what was offered to choice 1A) screams desperation - but I do like the fit more than Kerr. Little less headstrong, little more relatable to the players.
Here's hoping Phil does a lot of backseat driving on year 1.
Personality and respect is one side of the coin. One where Fisher shines. But there is going to be risk assumed anytime you bring in a guy with zero experience and give him the big job. Can he do the X's and O's?
Don't get me wrong, I like the signing, and I get it's what Phil wanted - someone a little more maleable to adopt his philosophies - but there are concerns here. The more hands-on Phil is in year 1, the more those concerns are diluted.
Regardless, I'm happy we're finally getting the infrastructure in place before this next build of the roster. On to the assistants.
fishmike wrote:TeamBall wrote:yea they are. Its not the NFL where you can lose your best most productive player and fill holes. If Melo leaves it massively changes the plan and landscape. The one (thank god) caveat is the timing could help us. It gives us a year to build up the bottom of the roster then we can look to sign 2-3 max type guys next summer with Phil and Fisher rolling out the red carpet etc.nixluva wrote:It's less important whether Melo stays or not as opposed to the change in culture and the manner in which they build this team from here on. Melo can be a part of this or not and we still have a future. We still have some young players to develop and roster moves to make in order to make this team a winner. It's only the beginning of the process. If Melo opts out then this thing will get much more drastic right away. Melo leaving would make it a more complete rebuild but not necessarily some bad thing as some would think.
They're both very importantAwfully hard for Melo to walk away from what is being created here. I just dont see it.
I just watched an Atlanta Hawks team play some surprisingly good BB without a player of Melo's caliber. It was done with very good coaching and good work from the GM in bringing in underrated talent. They played a team game with a bunch of team players and inspired play from Teague. The Knicks severely underachieved rather than overachieve like Atlanta did.
This isn't only about finding top tier talent, which we all know you need to win. This is about having a culture and system in place so that when you do get top tier talent it can play at its max potential. If Melo leaves I don't believe it will be without us getting anything for him. I think something will be worked out if he's made up his mind to opt out. I think that's the next step for Phil and Mills. Ask Melo if he'll opt in or out. If he wants to opt out they could make calls for a trade and maximize their leverage.
MaTT4281 wrote:fishmike wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:I don't have a problem with this signing - in fact, I'm optimistic for the Phisher era - but I am shocked at how unanimously thrilled everyone seems to be here (this board is divided on everything - bring back the Gallo vs. Wilson threads!)I dont think its too big a roll of the dice. Phil (and everyone else) knows this guy's personality. Its all about being accountable and transparent. Fisher is so very respected by the players, both on court and off. He certainly has a lot of experienceWe're absolutely rolling the dice on this one. $25M/5 years on a rookie coach (more than what was offered to choice 1A) screams desperation - but I do like the fit more than Kerr. Little less headstrong, little more relatable to the players.
Here's hoping Phil does a lot of backseat driving on year 1.
Personality and respect is one side of the coin. One where Fisher shines. But there is going to be risk assumed anytime you bring in a guy with zero experience and give him the big job. Can he do the X's and O's?
Don't get me wrong, I like the signing, and I get it's what Phil wanted - someone a little more maleable to adopt his philosophies - but there are concerns here. The more hands-on Phil is in year 1, the more those concerns are diluted.
Regardless, I'm happy we're finally getting the infrastructure in place before this next build of the roster. On to the assistants.
I'd say it's risky if Phil was not here. What the Nyets didn't hiring Kidd right off the court was risky. Kidd didn't a Riley or Phil to fall back on. The spoeltra you see today is not the Spoelstra from 5yrs ago. The more he grows the less Riley needs to involve himself.
First 3game losing streak the media will call for fisher's head. Phil will settle the team down as Riley did with spoeltra early on.
It ain't hard
nixluva wrote:fishmike wrote:TeamBall wrote:yea they are. Its not the NFL where you can lose your best most productive player and fill holes. If Melo leaves it massively changes the plan and landscape. The one (thank god) caveat is the timing could help us. It gives us a year to build up the bottom of the roster then we can look to sign 2-3 max type guys next summer with Phil and Fisher rolling out the red carpet etc.nixluva wrote:It's less important whether Melo stays or not as opposed to the change in culture and the manner in which they build this team from here on. Melo can be a part of this or not and we still have a future. We still have some young players to develop and roster moves to make in order to make this team a winner. It's only the beginning of the process. If Melo opts out then this thing will get much more drastic right away. Melo leaving would make it a more complete rebuild but not necessarily some bad thing as some would think.
They're both very importantAwfully hard for Melo to walk away from what is being created here. I just dont see it.
I just watched an Atlanta Hawks team play some surprisingly good BB without a player of Melo's caliber. It was done with very good coaching and good work from the GM in bringing in underrated talent. They played a team game with a bunch of team players and inspired play from Teague. The Knicks severely underachieved rather than overachieve like Atlanta did.This isn't only about finding top tier talent, which we all know you need to win. This is about having a culture and system in place so that when you do get top tier talent it can play at its max potential. If Melo leaves I don't believe it will be without us getting anything for him. I think something will be worked out if he's made up his mind to opt out. I think that's the next step for Phil and Mills. Ask Melo if he'll opt in or out. If he wants to opt out they could make calls for a trade and maximize their leverage.
Exactly and juding from Phil and Derek's comments Melo has already informed Phil he is not interested in opting in but is opting out. Phil "he chose to test free agency" "it's Melos decision"
gunsnewing wrote:nixluva wrote:fishmike wrote:TeamBall wrote:yea they are. Its not the NFL where you can lose your best most productive player and fill holes. If Melo leaves it massively changes the plan and landscape. The one (thank god) caveat is the timing could help us. It gives us a year to build up the bottom of the roster then we can look to sign 2-3 max type guys next summer with Phil and Fisher rolling out the red carpet etc.nixluva wrote:It's less important whether Melo stays or not as opposed to the change in culture and the manner in which they build this team from here on. Melo can be a part of this or not and we still have a future. We still have some young players to develop and roster moves to make in order to make this team a winner. It's only the beginning of the process. If Melo opts out then this thing will get much more drastic right away. Melo leaving would make it a more complete rebuild but not necessarily some bad thing as some would think.
They're both very importantAwfully hard for Melo to walk away from what is being created here. I just dont see it.
I just watched an Atlanta Hawks team play some surprisingly good BB without a player of Melo's caliber. It was done with very good coaching and good work from the GM in bringing in underrated talent. They played a team game with a bunch of team players and inspired play from Teague. The Knicks severely underachieved rather than overachieve like Atlanta did.This isn't only about finding top tier talent, which we all know you need to win. This is about having a culture and system in place so that when you do get top tier talent it can play at its max potential. If Melo leaves I don't believe it will be without us getting anything for him. I think something will be worked out if he's made up his mind to opt out. I think that's the next step for Phil and Mills. Ask Melo if he'll opt in or out. If he wants to opt out they could make calls for a trade and maximize their leverage.
Exactly and juding from Phil and Derek's comments Melo has already informed Phil he is not interested in opting in but is opting out. Phil "he chose to test free agency" "it's Melos decision"
I think Phil made a mistake by negotiating through the media, but I wouldn't draw any conclusions until Fisher and Melo sit down.
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Rookie wrote:gunsnewing wrote:nixluva wrote:fishmike wrote:TeamBall wrote:yea they are. Its not the NFL where you can lose your best most productive player and fill holes. If Melo leaves it massively changes the plan and landscape. The one (thank god) caveat is the timing could help us. It gives us a year to build up the bottom of the roster then we can look to sign 2-3 max type guys next summer with Phil and Fisher rolling out the red carpet etc.nixluva wrote:It's less important whether Melo stays or not as opposed to the change in culture and the manner in which they build this team from here on. Melo can be a part of this or not and we still have a future. We still have some young players to develop and roster moves to make in order to make this team a winner. It's only the beginning of the process. If Melo opts out then this thing will get much more drastic right away. Melo leaving would make it a more complete rebuild but not necessarily some bad thing as some would think.
They're both very importantAwfully hard for Melo to walk away from what is being created here. I just dont see it.
I just watched an Atlanta Hawks team play some surprisingly good BB without a player of Melo's caliber. It was done with very good coaching and good work from the GM in bringing in underrated talent. They played a team game with a bunch of team players and inspired play from Teague. The Knicks severely underachieved rather than overachieve like Atlanta did.This isn't only about finding top tier talent, which we all know you need to win. This is about having a culture and system in place so that when you do get top tier talent it can play at its max potential. If Melo leaves I don't believe it will be without us getting anything for him. I think something will be worked out if he's made up his mind to opt out. I think that's the next step for Phil and Mills. Ask Melo if he'll opt in or out. If he wants to opt out they could make calls for a trade and maximize their leverage.
Exactly and juding from Phil and Derek's comments Melo has already informed Phil he is not interested in opting in but is opting out. Phil "he chose to test free agency" "it's Melos decision"
I think Phil made a mistake by negotiating through the media, but I wouldn't draw any conclusions until Fisher and Melo sit down.
Maybe to Phil it is not a mistake. Maybe Phil wants to move on from Melo?
nixluva wrote:fishmike wrote:TeamBall wrote:yea they are. Its not the NFL where you can lose your best most productive player and fill holes. If Melo leaves it massively changes the plan and landscape. The one (thank god) caveat is the timing could help us. It gives us a year to build up the bottom of the roster then we can look to sign 2-3 max type guys next summer with Phil and Fisher rolling out the red carpet etc.nixluva wrote:It's less important whether Melo stays or not as opposed to the change in culture and the manner in which they build this team from here on. Melo can be a part of this or not and we still have a future. We still have some young players to develop and roster moves to make in order to make this team a winner. It's only the beginning of the process. If Melo opts out then this thing will get much more drastic right away. Melo leaving would make it a more complete rebuild but not necessarily some bad thing as some would think.
They're both very importantAwfully hard for Melo to walk away from what is being created here. I just dont see it.
I just watched an Atlanta Hawks team play some surprisingly good BB without a player of Melo's caliber. It was done with very good coaching and good work from the GM in bringing in underrated talent. They played a team game with a bunch of team players and inspired play from Teague. The Knicks severely underachieved rather than overachieve like Atlanta did.This isn't only about finding top tier talent, which we all know you need to win. This is about having a culture and system in place so that when you do get top tier talent it can play at its max potential. If Melo leaves I don't believe it will be without us getting anything for him. I think something will be worked out if he's made up his mind to opt out. I think that's the next step for Phil and Mills. Ask Melo if he'll opt in or out. If he wants to opt out they could make calls for a trade and maximize their leverage.
What does good coaching and a good GM have to do with whether or not we keep Melo? I'm not saying everythings going to hell if he leaves but hes a very good player to have and build with (notice I said with and around for those of your ready to pounce) and if you the opportunity to you should take it. I do agree with Fish also that we're in a good spot regardless but we still can't let him walk for nothing.
gunsnewing wrote:Rookie wrote:gunsnewing wrote:nixluva wrote:fishmike wrote:TeamBall wrote:yea they are. Its not the NFL where you can lose your best most productive player and fill holes. If Melo leaves it massively changes the plan and landscape. The one (thank god) caveat is the timing could help us. It gives us a year to build up the bottom of the roster then we can look to sign 2-3 max type guys next summer with Phil and Fisher rolling out the red carpet etc.nixluva wrote:It's less important whether Melo stays or not as opposed to the change in culture and the manner in which they build this team from here on. Melo can be a part of this or not and we still have a future. We still have some young players to develop and roster moves to make in order to make this team a winner. It's only the beginning of the process. If Melo opts out then this thing will get much more drastic right away. Melo leaving would make it a more complete rebuild but not necessarily some bad thing as some would think.
They're both very importantAwfully hard for Melo to walk away from what is being created here. I just dont see it.
I just watched an Atlanta Hawks team play some surprisingly good BB without a player of Melo's caliber. It was done with very good coaching and good work from the GM in bringing in underrated talent. They played a team game with a bunch of team players and inspired play from Teague. The Knicks severely underachieved rather than overachieve like Atlanta did.This isn't only about finding top tier talent, which we all know you need to win. This is about having a culture and system in place so that when you do get top tier talent it can play at its max potential. If Melo leaves I don't believe it will be without us getting anything for him. I think something will be worked out if he's made up his mind to opt out. I think that's the next step for Phil and Mills. Ask Melo if he'll opt in or out. If he wants to opt out they could make calls for a trade and maximize their leverage.
Exactly and juding from Phil and Derek's comments Melo has already informed Phil he is not interested in opting in but is opting out. Phil "he chose to test free agency" "it's Melos decision"
I think Phil made a mistake by negotiating through the media, but I wouldn't draw any conclusions until Fisher and Melo sit down.
Maybe to Phil it is not a mistake. Maybe Phil wants to move on from Melo?
That could definitely be a power struggle he wishes to avoid. I do like his stance which looks to be 'buy in or leave'
Cartman718 wrote:anyone have link of full press conference vid?
bump
It's never about any one player
Unless it's Jordan, Kobe or shaq
Cartman718 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:anyone have link of full press conference vid?bump
At work and can't watch to see if it's the full conference, but I'd check out the MSG website.
http://www.msg.com/teams/knicks.html?vid...