Knicks · NBA ..sadly goin soft,rather teams building to Beat LBJ, all players want to join LBJ's NBA to win titles (page 1)

Yep

I said it, Comments ? ? ?

This salty Knickerbocker fan which ESPN Ryan Rocco refers to when I call then up regularly
Is solely stating the hardcore facts.

Of course stars need other NBA stars to win when honest business basketball transactions are done legit
And legal and so forth.

Your /Nba is reaching the point of being so watered down that the once "Next big thing" teams such as OKC,
The Pacers, the Rockets are in process downfall & free fall disappearing all of a sudden to be those teams that will
Never win a title with all these guys JOINING up cause they are superstars they come to run the league more than owners
And HONEST good old fashion over the table deals.

You got people in the know whom say LeBron is dying to play with pal Carmelo Anthony
For what? What for

Don't get me wrong as a lifer life long die hard knick fan DJ be lying ifi told you I didn't want a NY NBA knick
Title of couse if pipedream LBJ n Mr Melo played here as Knicks and opportunity was real for a title if lbj ever came to Mecca.

But lest not fool ourselves here, NY isn't ever getting in the mix and match and you play here and there
Or a bunch of NBA stars forcing their own destiny to achieve greatness by whipping weaker 1 star teams, teams with few stars
Whom need to eventually get into this joining game of 'Lets get together'.

However as Heat try to go toward 3 straight NBA crowns, and woo the country while pi__*%ssing off Haters like myself,
The friendly competition of sports in NBA seem to be dying out with revisit of a Dynasty creation in South Beach Florida,
And many many more will replace Battier's, R.Allen , R.Lewis and soon follow the yellow-brick road to Miami address.

Home of King LeBron James to not just win titles But to WIN LBJ Heat there 'not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 5 or 6' NBA titles
We made fun of the Big 3 back then.

Results in sad NBA, you need more teams such as Spurs whom players could care less bout' playing with LeBron James mucho less
Even Any other best superstar, today. your team need to beat the best not join the best....

I always said Melo can't win a championship if he's the best player on the team. He'll score a lot points and make a lot of all star appearances, even win a lot of games, but he not "LEADING" a team to a championship. So for him, joining LBJ is his best option at getting a ring.

The NBA is top heavy and very predictable when it comes to championship contenders, especially with super stars wanting to team up. That's why teams like OKC, Spurs etc are easy to root for. The way things are going, the NBA might as well let Super Stars just pick players like street ball.

Its soft to want to play with the best player of this generation?

THink if Jordan didn't have Pippen or PHil and BUlls were not engaged to be a championship quality team Jordan would have stayed there?

I know the collusion thing sits sour with a lot of people given "The decision" and "the pep rally", as it was with me but in time it really was Bosh and Lebron JOINING Wade, whose bird rights sat with Miami already. Miami was willing to tank the year before to clear the cap.

Wasn't Ron Harper joining BUlls a bit of a starphuch? As was the attempt of adding Payton and Karl in LA?
In the new era this can and will happen, but its not unprecidented.

I prefer players conspire to BEAT each other than JOIN as well, but this is huge business. Its more important the teams provide cap space and the environment for it to happen. I mean, its not like players will go to Minny or OKC just to win. Miami is very attractive place to live. LA LA is hooked up with the Market America folks and socially linked in there.

Yeah pretty much. But the league has no rules in place to prevent this. Re-signing with your original team should have greater rewards.

Let's try to build through the draft! That should work right? Meanwhile Pat Riley will keep building monster teams.

Silverfuel wrote:Let's try to build through the draft! That should work right? Meanwhile Pat Riley will keep building monster teams.

HE built teams around Wade. He drafted Wade.

We could not build around Melo because we used many assets to obtain him. We could not get him unless we get Amare. We let Dlee go to get Amare. DLee had some trade value? We went Starphuching!

Riles traded for Shaq to get with Wade. Riles tanked and shed salary to make superfriends happen. We don't tank, we cleared our cap and got Amare.

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Let's try to build through the draft! That should work right? Meanwhile Pat Riley will keep building monster teams.

HE built teams around Wade. He drafted Wade.

We could not build around Melo because we used many assets to obtain him. We could not get him unless we get Amare. We let Dlee go to get Amare. DLee had some trade value? We went Starphuching!

Riles traded for Shaq to get with Wade. Riles tanked and shed salary to make superfriends happen. We don't tank, we cleared our cap and got Amare.

David Lee doesn't have trade value but we gave up assets for Melo? David Lee is doing better than anyone we traded away from Melo. Don't even get me started about Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford. What a joke!

This idea that building through the draft is the right way is laughable. It doesn't matter how you build a team as long as the team can compete and win a championship. Right now our best shot at that is to pair Melo with stars. We would have been competitive if Donnie Walsh hadn't signed an injury prone Amare to ridiculous contract. He failed at getting Lebron, Wade or Bosh but you are blaming the Melo trade because we gave up "assets." That is disingenuous.

Silverfuel wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Let's try to build through the draft! That should work right? Meanwhile Pat Riley will keep building monster teams.

HE built teams around Wade. He drafted Wade.

We could not build around Melo because we used many assets to obtain him. We could not get him unless we get Amare. We let Dlee go to get Amare. DLee had some trade value? We went Starphuching!

Riles traded for Shaq to get with Wade. Riles tanked and shed salary to make superfriends happen. We don't tank, we cleared our cap and got Amare.

David Lee doesn't have trade value but we gave up assets for Melo? David Lee is doing better than anyone we traded away from Melo. Don't even get me started about Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford. What a joke!

This idea that building through the draft is the right way is laughable. It doesn't matter how you build a team as long as the team can compete and win a championship. Right now our best shot at that is to pair Melo with stars. We would have been competitive if Donnie Walsh hadn't signed an injury prone Amare to ridiculous contract. He failed at getting Lebron, Wade or Bosh but you are blaming the Melo trade because we gave up "assets." That is disingenuous.

Why is who is at fault matter when the same level of activity has been occurring despite the GM prior to Phil taking over?

We cleared cap for Lebron. We had Zbo and Crawford who were terrible fits with MDA. Marbury. WE had a roster and coach not made for each other. We signed Amare because we were desperate! I have said it before, Does a GM whose owner is not that thrilled with actually have the clout to sign a guy to 100 mil as donnie did with Amare, and then months later that GM gets rolled by his owner and subsequently offered a pay cut so he would leave? Does AMare look like the kind of move Donnie has ever made with Indy?

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Let's try to build through the draft! That should work right? Meanwhile Pat Riley will keep building monster teams.

HE built teams around Wade. He drafted Wade.

We could not build around Melo because we used many assets to obtain him. We could not get him unless we get Amare. We let Dlee go to get Amare. DLee had some trade value? We went Starphuching!

Riles traded for Shaq to get with Wade. Riles tanked and shed salary to make superfriends happen. We don't tank, we cleared our cap and got Amare.

David Lee doesn't have trade value but we gave up assets for Melo? David Lee is doing better than anyone we traded away from Melo. Don't even get me started about Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford. What a joke!

This idea that building through the draft is the right way is laughable. It doesn't matter how you build a team as long as the team can compete and win a championship. Right now our best shot at that is to pair Melo with stars. We would have been competitive if Donnie Walsh hadn't signed an injury prone Amare to ridiculous contract. He failed at getting Lebron, Wade or Bosh but you are blaming the Melo trade because we gave up "assets." That is disingenuous.

Why is who is at fault matter when the same level of activity has been occurring despite the GM prior to Phil taking over?

We cleared cap for Lebron. We had Zbo and Crawford who were terrible fits with MDA. Marbury. WE had a roster and coach not made for each other. We signed Amare because we were desperate! I have said it before, Does a GM whose owner is not that thrilled with actually have the clout to sign a guy to 100 mil as donnie did with Amare, and then months later that GM gets rolled by his owner and subsequently offered a pay cut so he would leave? Does AMare look like the kind of move Donnie has ever made with Indy?

Who cares who's fault that signing was - Dolan, Walsh, the bottom line it was a capsizing disaster.

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Let's try to build through the draft! That should work right? Meanwhile Pat Riley will keep building monster teams.

HE built teams around Wade. He drafted Wade.

We could not build around Melo because we used many assets to obtain him. We could not get him unless we get Amare. We let Dlee go to get Amare. DLee had some trade value? We went Starphuching!

Riles traded for Shaq to get with Wade. Riles tanked and shed salary to make superfriends happen. We don't tank, we cleared our cap and got Amare.

David Lee doesn't have trade value but we gave up assets for Melo? David Lee is doing better than anyone we traded away from Melo. Don't even get me started about Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford. What a joke!

This idea that building through the draft is the right way is laughable. It doesn't matter how you build a team as long as the team can compete and win a championship. Right now our best shot at that is to pair Melo with stars. We would have been competitive if Donnie Walsh hadn't signed an injury prone Amare to ridiculous contract. He failed at getting Lebron, Wade or Bosh but you are blaming the Melo trade because we gave up "assets." That is disingenuous.

Why is who is at fault matter when the same level of activity has been occurring despite the GM prior to Phil taking over?

We cleared cap for Lebron. We had Zbo and Crawford who were terrible fits with MDA. Marbury. WE had a roster and coach not made for each other. We signed Amare because we were desperate! I have said it before, Does a GM whose owner is not that thrilled with actually have the clout to sign a guy to 100 mil as donnie did with Amare, and then months later that GM gets rolled by his owner and subsequently offered a pay cut so he would leave? Does AMare look like the kind of move Donnie has ever made with Indy?

Yes, after signing Mike D'Antoni who sucks to an insane contract, Donnie Walsh failing to get anyone that summer and then signing Amare seems like a Donnie Walsh move. Nothing Donnie did in NYC is similar to what he would do in Indiana so that is not a good way of determining anything. But this is the problem. You get defensive when I bring up Donnie and then you quickly deny caring. There is this bias, this selective outrage where everyone else can be blamed but Donnie Walsh because to you it doesn't seem like something he would do.

Who cares about Donnie Walsh? Whenever I bring him up, its for the same reason we brought up Isaiah after he was gone. Not because I care who is at fault but because I care about what was done. Walsh was terrible and accomplished nothing in NYC but my point was building through the draft is not "the right way" or anything like that. Just look around the league and see how impossible it is to draft a talent that can put it all together, stay healthy and still resign with your team. Donnie Walsh tried and drafted, injury prone Gallo, mediocre players like Landry Fields and Mozgov and Wilson Chandler who just wasn't motivated. It is almost impossible to draft a Duncan.

It is a lot easier to trade for or sign star talent. Since we already have Melo, our best shot at winning is surrounding him with stars like Pat Riley did with Wade. So while you are getting defensive about whether it was something Donnie Walsh would do or not, Riley is not sticking to only one way of building a championship team. That is my point. He will do whatever is best with what he has available and so should we.

Silverfuel wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Let's try to build through the draft! That should work right? Meanwhile Pat Riley will keep building monster teams.

HE built teams around Wade. He drafted Wade.

We could not build around Melo because we used many assets to obtain him. We could not get him unless we get Amare. We let Dlee go to get Amare. DLee had some trade value? We went Starphuching!

Riles traded for Shaq to get with Wade. Riles tanked and shed salary to make superfriends happen. We don't tank, we cleared our cap and got Amare.

David Lee doesn't have trade value but we gave up assets for Melo? David Lee is doing better than anyone we traded away from Melo. Don't even get me started about Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford. What a joke!

This idea that building through the draft is the right way is laughable. It doesn't matter how you build a team as long as the team can compete and win a championship. Right now our best shot at that is to pair Melo with stars. We would have been competitive if Donnie Walsh hadn't signed an injury prone Amare to ridiculous contract. He failed at getting Lebron, Wade or Bosh but you are blaming the Melo trade because we gave up "assets." That is disingenuous.

which event happened first? amare coming as a free agent or trading away the core of that team for carmelo anthiny?

do temporality and cause and effect exist in your bizarro universe?

It's easier to build around your own guys than build around a high priced free agent.

Guys become free agents for a reason. Usually because their teams are ready to move on from them and go in another direction to try to win. They realize the players faults

Better to draft a guy and benefit from his cheap rookie contract. Then added pieces. If you hit with your pick you can afford to sign good but flawed players and contend

It ain't that hard

It makes a lot of sense when you think you are going to draft Lebron or Duncan. Most of the times you end up with Gallo or Sweetney. Remember Fredrick Weis and John Wallace? What happens when it doesn't work out when drafting a player? Majority of the time, trying to draft a superstar ends up in a not so great player, an injury prone player or a good player who will leave for more money. We tried to do this and drafted Gallo, Sweetney and other bust players. If its championship or bust then OKC, Indiana, Clippers, Rockets, Chicago etc are all busts. If its trying to build a competitive team then building around Melo is the fastest way to build a competitive team. It's easy to say build around the draft but its much harder to do unless you are able to draft Duncan.

Silverfuel wrote:It makes a lot of sense when you think you are going to draft Lebron or Duncan. Most of the times you end up with Gallo or Sweetney. Remember Fredrick Weis and John Wallace? What happens when it doesn't work out when drafting a player? Majority of the time, trying to draft a superstar ends up in a not so great player, an injury prone player or a good player who will leave for more money. We tried to do this and drafted Gallo, Sweetney and other bust players. If its championship or bust then OKC, Indiana, Clippers, Rockets, Chicago etc are all busts. If its trying to build a competitive team then building around Melo is the fastest way to build a competitive team. It's easy to say build around the draft but its much harder to do unless you are able to draft Duncan.

gallo is injury-prone and yet was immediately offered a 10 million dollar contract. i think you want to throw him under the bus with true bums just to be annoying. basically he was a decent number 6 pick. there's usually a big dropoff between the top 2 draft picks.

he's had a better career than both beasley and mayo, donthcha think?

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:It makes a lot of sense when you think you are going to draft Lebron or Duncan. Most of the times you end up with Gallo or Sweetney. Remember Fredrick Weis and John Wallace? What happens when it doesn't work out when drafting a player? Majority of the time, trying to draft a superstar ends up in a not so great player, an injury prone player or a good player who will leave for more money. We tried to do this and drafted Gallo, Sweetney and other bust players. If its championship or bust then OKC, Indiana, Clippers, Rockets, Chicago etc are all busts. If its trying to build a competitive team then building around Melo is the fastest way to build a competitive team. It's easy to say build around the draft but its much harder to do unless you are able to draft Duncan.

gallo is injury-prone and yet was immediately offered a 10 million dollar contract. i think you want to throw him under the bus with true bums just to be annoying. basically he was a decent number 6 pick. there's usually a big dropoff between the top 2 draft picks.

he's had a better career than both beasley and mayo, donthcha think?

I don't know if that really means much. With that argument, I could make Jerome James seem valuable.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:It makes a lot of sense when you think you are going to draft Lebron or Duncan. Most of the times you end up with Gallo or Sweetney. Remember Fredrick Weis and John Wallace? What happens when it doesn't work out when drafting a player? Majority of the time, trying to draft a superstar ends up in a not so great player, an injury prone player or a good player who will leave for more money. We tried to do this and drafted Gallo, Sweetney and other bust players. If its championship or bust then OKC, Indiana, Clippers, Rockets, Chicago etc are all busts. If its trying to build a competitive team then building around Melo is the fastest way to build a competitive team. It's easy to say build around the draft but its much harder to do unless you are able to draft Duncan.

gallo is injury-prone and yet was immediately offered a 10 million dollar contract. i think you want to throw him under the bus with true bums just to be annoying. basically he was a decent number 6 pick. there's usually a big dropoff between the top 2 draft picks.

he's had a better career than both beasley and mayo, donthcha think?

I don't know if that really means much. With that argument, I could make Jerome James seem valuable.

well let me ask you this: ujiri is considered an absolute genius and he was the gm for that deal.

do you recall who the gm was who signed jerome james? and was that gm considered a genius?

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:It makes a lot of sense when you think you are going to draft Lebron or Duncan. Most of the times you end up with Gallo or Sweetney. Remember Fredrick Weis and John Wallace? What happens when it doesn't work out when drafting a player? Majority of the time, trying to draft a superstar ends up in a not so great player, an injury prone player or a good player who will leave for more money. We tried to do this and drafted Gallo, Sweetney and other bust players. If its championship or bust then OKC, Indiana, Clippers, Rockets, Chicago etc are all busts. If its trying to build a competitive team then building around Melo is the fastest way to build a competitive team. It's easy to say build around the draft but its much harder to do unless you are able to draft Duncan.

gallo is injury-prone and yet was immediately offered a 10 million dollar contract. i think you want to throw him under the bus with true bums just to be annoying. basically he was a decent number 6 pick. there's usually a big dropoff between the top 2 draft picks.

he's had a better career than both beasley and mayo, donthcha think?

exactly

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:It makes a lot of sense when you think you are going to draft Lebron or Duncan. Most of the times you end up with Gallo or Sweetney. Remember Fredrick Weis and John Wallace? What happens when it doesn't work out when drafting a player? Majority of the time, trying to draft a superstar ends up in a not so great player, an injury prone player or a good player who will leave for more money. We tried to do this and drafted Gallo, Sweetney and other bust players. If its championship or bust then OKC, Indiana, Clippers, Rockets, Chicago etc are all busts. If its trying to build a competitive team then building around Melo is the fastest way to build a competitive team. It's easy to say build around the draft but its much harder to do unless you are able to draft Duncan.

gallo is injury-prone and yet was immediately offered a 10 million dollar contract. i think you want to throw him under the bus with true bums just to be annoying. basically he was a decent number 6 pick. there's usually a big dropoff between the top 2 draft picks.

he's had a better career than both beasley and mayo, donthcha think?

I don't know if that really means much. With that argument, I could make Jerome James seem valuable.

well let me ask you this: ujiri is considered an absolute genius and he was the gm for that deal.

do you recall who the gm was who signed jerome james? and was that gm considered a genius?

great point and lets also add results.. gallo goes to denver and they win a franchise high 57 games.. He along with lawson and iggy were the teams best players....

how well did we do with jerome james?

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:It makes a lot of sense when you think you are going to draft Lebron or Duncan. Most of the times you end up with Gallo or Sweetney. Remember Fredrick Weis and John Wallace? What happens when it doesn't work out when drafting a player? Majority of the time, trying to draft a superstar ends up in a not so great player, an injury prone player or a good player who will leave for more money. We tried to do this and drafted Gallo, Sweetney and other bust players. If its championship or bust then OKC, Indiana, Clippers, Rockets, Chicago etc are all busts. If its trying to build a competitive team then building around Melo is the fastest way to build a competitive team. It's easy to say build around the draft but its much harder to do unless you are able to draft Duncan.

gallo is injury-prone and yet was immediately offered a 10 million dollar contract. i think you want to throw him under the bus with true bums just to be annoying. basically he was a decent number 6 pick. there's usually a big dropoff between the top 2 draft picks.

he's had a better career than both beasley and mayo, donthcha think?

I don't know if that really means much. With that argument, I could make Jerome James seem valuable.

well let me ask you this: ujiri is considered an absolute genius and he was the gm for that deal.

do you recall who the gm was who signed jerome james? and was that gm considered a genius?

I never said I disagreed with you. I'm saying the bold isn't much of an argument for Gallinari being good.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:It makes a lot of sense when you think you are going to draft Lebron or Duncan. Most of the times you end up with Gallo or Sweetney. Remember Fredrick Weis and John Wallace? What happens when it doesn't work out when drafting a player? Majority of the time, trying to draft a superstar ends up in a not so great player, an injury prone player or a good player who will leave for more money. We tried to do this and drafted Gallo, Sweetney and other bust players. If its championship or bust then OKC, Indiana, Clippers, Rockets, Chicago etc are all busts. If its trying to build a competitive team then building around Melo is the fastest way to build a competitive team. It's easy to say build around the draft but its much harder to do unless you are able to draft Duncan.

gallo is injury-prone and yet was immediately offered a 10 million dollar contract. i think you want to throw him under the bus with true bums just to be annoying. basically he was a decent number 6 pick. there's usually a big dropoff between the top 2 draft picks.

he's had a better career than both beasley and mayo, donthcha think?

I don't know if that really means much. With that argument, I could make Jerome James seem valuable.

well let me ask you this: ujiri is considered an absolute genius and he was the gm for that deal.

do you recall who the gm was who signed jerome james? and was that gm considered a genius?

I never said I disagreed with you. I'm saying the bold isn't much of an argument for Gallinari being good.

so you think ujiri made a mistake. the same ujiri who managed to gm the gallo gang to 57 wins and the same ujiri who managed to turn around the raptors in one year.