Here we go ago with the comparison's. Larkin is the next Isaiah Thomas. Let's stop with that please. Larkin sucked last year coming off a broken ankle. He is a total unknown. WHo knows if he even stays.
gunsnewing wrote:Keywords broken ankle
The keywords were total unknown. 
anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.
and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.
ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...
these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!
Love the upside to the Larkin kid, but lets take it easy with the Tim Hardaway/Damon Stoudemire comparisons. Hardaway was a franchise changing player, lets not put that much pressure on Larkin
I think a fair comparison to Larkin is Augustine or even a TJ Ford with a jumper......
Cartman718 wrote:anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.
ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...
these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!
I agree. Love the trade and the outcome. Tyson's personal problems that caused him to miss games probably disappear in a contract year. I think his numbers go up a bit as well. Still a grat trade for the Knicks.
gunsnewing wrote:^great stuff Crush. Looks like he can also shoot better than Augustine which isn't hard to do
great guns so we should expect 15/5 from this kid like DJ gave the bulls...
Charles F. Gardner @cf_gardner about 2 hours ago
Knicks picked up 2 second-round picks in deal with Dallas today. Earlier NY worked out Thanasis Antetokounmpo, brother of Bucks' Giannis.
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/social/buzz/team/new-york-knicks.html#ixzz35iAziVbr
BigDaddyG wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Knicks.com
Ellington, 6-4, 200-pounds, holds career averages of 6.4 points, 1.8 rebounds and 1.0 assists over 17.9 minutes in 312 games (35 starts) over five NBA seasons with Minnesota, Memphis, Cleveland and Dallas and averaged 3.2 points over 8.7 minutes in 45 games (one start) for the Mavericks this past season. He was originally selected by Minnesota following his junior season at the University of North Carolina in first round (28th overall) of the 2009 NBA Draft.
---------------At first glance Duke looks like the typical NBA journeyman but maybe Phil sees something in his game that translate well into the triangle. Like not only can be shot but maybe he has high IQ, moves well without the ball, can Make plays for others and is an unselfish team guy
He's just an end of the bench guy. He's decent defender at the two-guard defender purportedly, so he has that going for him. Think of him as a poor man's Trent Tucker.
or maybe just a trade filler...
gunsnewing wrote:Tim Hardaway was 5'11 as wellLarkin's game reminds me of hardaway's. He's got the quickness, handle, jumper & floater in the lane. His actually go in unlike Felton
guns, larkin will be lucky if he has a career as good as felton's.. I remember early in feltons career how he used to drive to the basket.. I know he used to slice us up...
Lets be careful anointing these guys...
this guy could not get time behind calderon and devin harris...
Tim Hardaway was me being conservative. I think Larkin is the next Isiah Thomas/Oscar Robertson/tiny archibald/Jason Kidd
tkf wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Tim Hardaway was 5'11 as wellLarkin's game reminds me of hardaway's. He's got the quickness, handle, jumper & floater in the lane. His actually go in unlike Felton
guns, larkin will be lucky if he has a career as good as felton's.. I remember early in feltons career how he used to drive to the basket.. I know he used to slice us up...
Lets be careful anointing these guys...
this guy could not get time behind calderon and devin harris...
felton was ranked 43rd out of 50 point guards in the league. do you think given the keys calderon or larkin could be worse?
Cartman718 wrote:anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.
ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...
these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!
he is also in shape, can orchestrate, and doesn't wave semi-automatic handguns in other people's faces. felton is a DOUCHE. i liked chandler but he has no business being on a triangle-based team. not sure how long dalmebert lasts as a knick....
Cartman718 wrote:tkf wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Tim Hardaway was 5'11 as wellLarkin's game reminds me of hardaway's. He's got the quickness, handle, jumper & floater in the lane. His actually go in unlike Felton
guns, larkin will be lucky if he has a career as good as felton's.. I remember early in feltons career how he used to drive to the basket.. I know he used to slice us up...
Lets be careful anointing these guys...
this guy could not get time behind calderon and devin harris...
felton was ranked 43rd out of 50 point guards in the league. do you think given the keys calderon or larkin could be worse?
wow, who was the other 6 ranked 44-50th
more importantly, were any STARTING PG's, and played the minutes Felton played along with finishing games
NardDogNation wrote:nyvector16 wrote:The only negative of the deal for the Knicks is the extra salary...
Let's break that down...
Next Season - 15/16 Season - 16/17 Season
Felton - 4.3M - 4.5M -
Calderon - 7M - 7.4M - 7.7M
Difference: 2.7M - 2.9M - 7.7M
This amount to a total of 13.3M total....
And we got a 2013 1st rounder, TWO 2014 2nd rounders , and a big upgrade at Point guard
I don't see how this was anything but a steal....
It's because you're playing the short game and have not taken into consideration the long term ramifications of the deal. This is the type of dumb moves we made in the past that led us to Amar'e Stoudemire and squandered Melo's prime.
Don't agree. We moved Tyson and Felton, two pieces that were not in the Knicks plans for beyond next year....and brought back assets for either other trades or for upgraded play (at least at the PG spot). Given the value of Tyson (injuries and eroding play) and Felton (injuries, eroding play and off the court issues).....Phil did relatively well with this trade. In the past the Knicks made trades the other way around. Sending out assets to acquire quys like Tyson.
Cartman718 wrote:anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.
ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...
these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!
Your optimism is completely unfounded. I love how everything we traded was awful but everything we gained was impeccable. Unless you're dealing with the Hornets or Cavs, that is never the case when dealing with another team. So clearly you are overestimating what we are getting and underestimating what we gave the Mavs.
CrushAlot wrote:Cartman718 wrote:anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.
ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...
these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!
I agree. Love the trade and the outcome. Tyson's personal problems that caused him to miss games probably disappear in a contract year. I think his numbers go up a bit as well. Still a grat trade for the Knicks.
Why would this be considered a great trade if we sold Tyson Chandler short of his maximum value? Wouldn't that make it a bad trade ala Zach Randolph to the Clippers or Jamal Crawford to the Warriors?
RonRon wrote:Cartman718 wrote:tkf wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Tim Hardaway was 5'11 as wellLarkin's game reminds me of hardaway's. He's got the quickness, handle, jumper & floater in the lane. His actually go in unlike Felton
guns, larkin will be lucky if he has a career as good as felton's.. I remember early in feltons career how he used to drive to the basket.. I know he used to slice us up...
Lets be careful anointing these guys...
this guy could not get time behind calderon and devin harris...
felton was ranked 43rd out of 50 point guards in the league. do you think given the keys calderon or larkin could be worse?
wow, who was the other 6 ranked 44-50th
more importantly, were any STARTING PG's, and played the minutes Felton played along with finishing games
shelvin mack, jj barea, jerryd bayless, aaron brooks, derek fisher!... you get the picture.
Lets look back at what we gave up for
Felton
Camby
then singing
Kidd
Pablo/MWP
we got raped in all those moves, the trades that Nardog always suggest are absolutely ridiculously ONE SIDED
On what planet would OKC trade for Iman with 2 1st round draft picks in picks 21 and 29 in a DEEP/STRONG draft
I am sorry but none of your trades are even realistic, I am greatly surprised we even got the deal we did for both Chandler/Felton
Phil Jackson didn't want to wait to see if he could get more for a reason
He knew he likely could not do ANYTHING better while getting rid of Felton
Playing that rumor game and see if we could get more could piss Cuban off and any future deals
foosballnick wrote:NardDogNation wrote:nyvector16 wrote:The only negative of the deal for the Knicks is the extra salary...
Let's break that down...
Next Season - 15/16 Season - 16/17 Season
Felton - 4.3M - 4.5M -
Calderon - 7M - 7.4M - 7.7M
Difference: 2.7M - 2.9M - 7.7M
This amount to a total of 13.3M total....
And we got a 2013 1st rounder, TWO 2014 2nd rounders , and a big upgrade at Point guard
I don't see how this was anything but a steal....
It's because you're playing the short game and have not taken into consideration the long term ramifications of the deal. This is the type of dumb moves we made in the past that led us to Amar'e Stoudemire and squandered Melo's prime.
Don't agree. We moved Tyson and Felton, two pieces that were not in the Knicks plans for beyond next year....and brought back assets for either other trades or for upgraded play (at least at the PG spot). Given the value of Tyson (injuries and eroding play) and Felton (injuries, eroding play and off the court issues).....Phil did relatively well with this trade. In the past the Knicks made trades the other way around. Sending out assets to acquire quys like Tyson.
Trading players at the wrong time has been a Knick specialty e.g. moving Ariza before his peak, keeping Frye too long, keeping David Lee, giving up on Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford, etc. This seems to be the same issue. Chandler is heading into another contract year, so we know that he was going to come out of the gate strong this season. We should've held onto him until the deadline and then make a move to a star-eyed team looking for a homerun trade. The Rockets just got a pick from a lottery team and cap flexibility for a guy that has been a bench player for most of his career. We got less than that for a perennial Defensive Player of the Year candidate and better player. Where is the sense in that?
NardDogNation wrote:Cartman718 wrote:anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.
ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...
these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!
Your optimism is completely unfounded. I love how everything we traded was awful but everything we gained was impeccable. Unless you're dealing with the Hornets or Cavs, that is never the case when dealing with another team. So clearly you are overestimating what we are getting and underestimating what we gave the Mavs.
clearly YOU are underestimating Phil Jackson. I am not overestimating what we got at all. I know very little about Ellington or Larkin. But like I said... Calderon by himself to me is a deal I'd make for Chandler and Felton. Chandler's contract was expiring next year, but how many teams would be interested in giving us even this much for him after he spends Mid December to Mid Feb drinking TheraFlu at home??
I am not hailing Calderon as Chris Paul.... he is still light years smarter and better orchestrator and shooter than Felton. He definitely FITS way better.
If you truly feel that what we traded away was not awful, back it up by reasons as opposed to simply bashing what I said. smh.
