Knicks · Tyson & Felton to Dallas (page 7)

^great stuff Crush. Looks like he can also shoot better than Augustine which isn't hard to do

If anyone else, like me, was concerned this trade was not official and may still be altered in the Mav's favor...it's on the team site now.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/knicks-acquire...

We are not getting a ring tomorrow but it's exciting to finally watch a young promising team that plays the game the right way. No catering to one player with ISO

My only reservations on this trade was Calderon contract. Now that it is a done deal, I am beginning to like it. Don't sleep on Ellington. Kid is an ex 1st rounder and dude can shoot. Would be a good sniper type player ala BJ Armstrong. If rumors of Dalembert and Larkin being moved for more picks are true then I am even more excited. Big chief triangle!

Yea doesn't look good on first glance when you see Calderon in 3yrs making $7.8m

Then you start to reuse that his contract is moveable packaged with Bargnani because after all you just found a taker for Raymond James. Anything is possibleeeeee!!!!!!

I am very big on James Johnson on a 2 year vet min deal, despite if CA leaves or not

A LEGIT SF with the ability to defend SF/PF's like Durant/Lebron/Paul George/CA etc for the CHEAP, a previous 1st round talent that is still young that was coached by Chicago's Tom Tibs
IF he can add a baseline 3pt shot like Kawaii Leonard did LAST SEASON then improve to ALL 3pt shooting with consistency in addition to his DEFENSIVE abilities and GREAT REACH/LENGTH/SIZE with average athleticism, it would become a GREATER STEAL for the vet min

To continue to improve for our future and now,
We also still have either the 3.2m MLE to use or the 5m + to use if CA leaves (though we can still sign and trade him and NOT take back salary with a trade exemption with draft picks/future draft picks)

With this trade and Derek Fisher's signing, it seems inevitable that we will indeed look to acquire Durant and possibly Noah in 2016, while building, developing players, and developing coaching/system/philosophies till then

As of now, it looks like AB could be our starting C, with draft picks/undrafted talents/trades in the meantime till at least 2015
If we can grab both Backnaski and Dwight Powell, they would get the minutes needed in order to develop for our future to speed the process up till we can fill in both Durant/Noah, maybe Kevin Love in 2015
I would be happy with one of them, however, would love both players, as a I think Powell can develop similar to how Taj Gibson and a bit of Brandon Wright had developed
Both played some SF with great length earlier in the careers but became PF/C's as they filled out

Yes I still think we can utilize Darko Milic to a 2 year vet min TEAM OPTION deal for the TRIANGLE, as his all round skills would translate, and for a VET MIN player if he STAYED IN SHAPE like he did prior to signing with the Celtics *which received much praise from Paul Pierce at the time and Doc Rivers*

I know many will continue to bash "DARKO" but lets not worry about where he was selected in his draft, think about if his abilities can translate
When he got minutes on the Twolves, he was quite productive, earning him a 3 year 5m per year deal by them
Unlike players his age at 28, he has much mileage left in his tank due to not playing much earlier in his career and has the risk reward
Add that to the development of Backnaski, Dwight Powell, and a rotation of STAT/AB/Tyler at PF/C, and some of them could be kept for MINIMUM salaries for our future, till we fill in the blanks and allow those 2 to fill out and develop in 1-3 years

Also would like Rudy Gay on a 5-8m type of deal in 2015, feel that it is worth the risk/reward as he was once praised as one of the top developing SF's with SG and PF abilities after both Lebron and Durant along with Granger
Anything more and I would not be interested though

Knicks.com
Ellington, 6-4, 200-pounds, holds career averages of 6.4 points, 1.8 rebounds and 1.0 assists over 17.9 minutes in 312 games (35 starts) over five NBA seasons with Minnesota, Memphis, Cleveland and Dallas and averaged 3.2 points over 8.7 minutes in 45 games (one start) for the Mavericks this past season. He was originally selected by Minnesota following his junior season at the University of North Carolina in first round (28th overall) of the 2009 NBA Draft.
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At first glance Duke looks like the typical NBA journeyman but maybe Phil sees something in his game that translate well into the triangle. Like not only can be shot but maybe he has high IQ, moves well without the ball, can Make plays for others and is an unselfish team guy

Good point Ron. Maybe we are looking towards 2016 now and Durant & Noah. Love it. And I'm actually going to enjoy watching this team in the meantime. Might even make the playoffs in an awful but improving east.

gunsnewing wrote:Knicks.com
Ellington, 6-4, 200-pounds, holds career averages of 6.4 points, 1.8 rebounds and 1.0 assists over 17.9 minutes in 312 games (35 starts) over five NBA seasons with Minnesota, Memphis, Cleveland and Dallas and averaged 3.2 points over 8.7 minutes in 45 games (one start) for the Mavericks this past season. He was originally selected by Minnesota following his junior season at the University of North Carolina in first round (28th overall) of the 2009 NBA Draft.
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At first glance Duke looks like the typical NBA journeyman but maybe Phil sees something in his game that translate well into the triangle. Like not only can be shot but maybe he has high IQ, moves well without the ball, can Make plays for others and is an unselfish team guy

He's just an end of the bench guy. He's decent defender at the two-guard defender purportedly, so he has that going for him. Think of him as a poor man's Trent Tucker.

I know a highlight video can make anyone look good but I like Larkin's game.

As for Larkin, I like what he can bring
Larkin bashed the Knick's in his draft, not willing to work out for The Knicks, and had a couple of words during the time
As expected, he was picked before our selection and we chose Tim Hardawy JR

I view him as comparable to a young JJ Barea and more developed DJ Augstine at the time of the draft
In any case, he has a better handle/quickness/speed in addition to his athleticism

To compliment Calderon, I think a Manu Ginobili type of G, would be great with his ability to both penetrate/finish/facilitate/hit a 3pter
Now the closest players that is possible is Russ Smith in this draft

Livinston?

Sessions/Bayless? Though older, would be realistic at the 3.2m exemption

Darren Collison has the speed/quickness and ability to facilitate IF THE TEAM has the scorers and a system to play, with the youth, talents, and physical abilities by his side
Greviez Vasquez is a RFA but has the similar weakness's with Calderon

Patty Mills/DJ Augistine? though they would have the similar weakness's that we have with Larkin

These are all realistic FA's to target but then there are also 2nd round talents in addition to UNDRAFTED talents as steals
I would love Kane, think he will be a mid/late 2nd rounder that will get drafted, though there will be undrafted talents

That is why I am suggesting using the draft picks on other positions from PF/C to G/F's

Also would invite Brandon Rush to camp, possibly a 2 year vet min deal on unguaranteed money
He has never been the same player since he hurt his knee however, this could be the year where he bounces back, 2 years after hurting himself
Prior to that, he showed he could be a very productive all round player at the G/F position, highly efficient and played BIGGER than his size due to his wingspan

From what I remember,
He shot about 50% about 10pts, nearly 40% 3pt, at about 1 a game, along with 1 steal, 1 block, and some REB's and ASS despite playing 20 to under 30minutes a game

He would FIT in with what Phil Jackson has said he wants to build on, with TEAM game, all round game, and versatility to the "winning culture"
Especially if we deal Iman, with possibly JR Smith and Tim Hardaway JR if their value grows significantly with an expanded role and a philosophy emphasized on a system/team ball

RonRon wrote:As for Larkin, I like what he can bring
Larkin bashed the Knick's in his draft, not willing to work out for The Knicks, and had a couple of words during the time
As expected, he was picked before our selection and we chose Tim Hardawy JR

I view him as comparable to a young JJ Barea and more developed DJ Augstine at the time of the draft
In any case, he has a better handle/quickness/speed in addition to his athleticism

To compliment Calderon, I think a Manu Ginobili type of G, would be great with his ability to both penetrate/finish/facilitate/hit a 3pter
Now the closest players that is possible is Russ Smith in this draft

Livinston?

Sessions/Bayless? Though older, would be realistic at the 3.2m exemption

Darren Collison has the speed/quickness and ability to facilitate IF THE TEAM has the scorers and a system to play, with the youth, talents, and physical abilities by his side
Greviez Vasquez is a RFA but has the similar weakness's with Calderon

Patty Mills/DJ Augistine? though they would have the similar weakness's that we have with Larkin

These are all realistic FA's to target but then there are also 2nd round talents in addition to UNDRAFTED talents as steals
I would love Kane, think he will be a mid/late 2nd rounder that will get drafted, though there will be undrafted talents

That is why I am suggesting using the draft picks on other positions from PF/C to G/F's

While not sexy trading with Toronto for their pick could land us James Young at #20. Toronto is looking to move Salmons and might draft a PG (Exum) in case Lowry signs somewhere else. We can send JR Smith and Larkin for Salmons expiring and their 1st rd pick. This also gives us more cap flexibility in 2015

TeamBall wrote:I know a highlight video can make anyone look good but I like Larkin's game.

Yeah, I kinda hope we keep him. I saw a Patty Mills comparison and I can see some similarities. He's quick enough to stay in front of most PGs. I only wish he was like three inches taller.

Yeah that's the one thing that kinda bothers me. Patty Mills is damn near a spot on comparison though. I like it.

Tim Hardaway was 5'11 as well

Larkin's game reminds me of hardaway's. He's got the quickness, handle, jumper & floater in the lane. His actually go in unlike Felton

it's still sinking in ... and the more it sinks in, the better i feel... im now on the verge of elation ... just the fact that Chandler is gone ... it's like the clouds have parted ... i need to pinch myself... the guy was such a bitsh

Can't wait til Bonn gets a hold of this. He should love Calderon's efficiency stats. He might be overpaid by a mil yearly. Barely if anything

am i thinking crazy to think larkin is a comp to damon stoudamire? damon could really drive the lane, even in the half court.

too optimistic?

Yea Damon was a scorer on bad teams

I like a poor mans Tim Hardaway and possibly patty mills although I will admit I didn't watch the awful NBA playoffs where he shined

Here we go ago with the comparison's. Larkin is the next Isaiah Thomas. Let's stop with that please. Larkin sucked last year coming off a broken ankle. He is a total unknown. WHo knows if he even stays.