Knicks · July 1st: The Free agent Thread............... (page 12)

Hoopshype rumor mill is very quiet this morning.

Philly would do well to keep Lebron out of Cleveland. If they can get Lebron to knicks they will accomplish two things:

Knicks likely cooked inside of 3 years when Philly could have its emergence and.....

Wait for it.......

The headge fund dudes that own Philly sell them for a nice killer profit!!!
Ratings with Lebron in NY will boost league revenues including leverage for new TV deal. Having Lebron in Division means more sellouts and high ratings for Philly Cable and thus higher ratings.
Emerging team shows a growth line that would be impressive.

Its not personal, its business.

Nalod stretching here presenting with a different angle. Owners look at advanced metrics called a balance sheet!!!

Moke Hamilton, NBA Analyst

Anyone who thought that Phil Jackson came to New York City to sit around and wait until July 2015 may be mistaken. According to a league source, his grandiose vision of building a contender may begin sooner than anyone — even Carmelo Anthony — thought possible.
Andrea BargnaniOn the heels of a Monday morning account from ESPN that states the Knicks have engaged the Philadelphia 76ers on a salary-dumping Amar’e Stoudemire trade, a league front office source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that the Knicks have also been shopping Andrea Bargnani. Jackson, according to the source, recently rebuffed a trade offer that would have seen Bargnani and Tim Hardaway Jr. sent out in a similar cap-clearing maneuver.

Days before Tyson Chandler was traded to the Dallas Mavericks in a six-player trade that also saw the Knicks net two second round draft picks that turned into Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Jackson turned down the proposed Bargani trade, the source says.

According to the source, Jackson believes that he can find a taker for Bargnani and his salary without sacrificing Hardaway Jr., despite the fact that Bargnani has appeared in just 118 games over the past three seasons. Bargnani has one year and $11.5 million remaining on his current contract.

As it stands, Jackson is believed to not only be actively shopping Stoudemire, but Bargnani, as well.

The end game, according to the source, is jettisoning their combined $34.9 million salaries off of the Knicks’ 2014-15 ledger, potentially making the Knicks a late entrant into this summer’s free agency marketplace.

Parting the Red Sea would probably be an easier endeavor, but if Jackson were able to move both Bargnani and Stoudemire without taking back and salaries and opted to walk away from Jeremy Tyler, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, Toure’ Murry, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich — all of whom are either free agents or subjected to team options — the Knicks could find themselves somewhere in the neighborhood of $40 million under the NBA’s projected 2014-15 salary cap of $63 million.

The Knicks would be woefully thin up front, but the team would have enough money under the cap to both re-sign Anthony and then scour the free agent market for some additional help. According to the source, that is Jackson’s “Plan A” for this summer, and it is believed to have been a part of his pitch to Anthony, who, according to multiple reports, was reluctant to re-sign with the Knicks without some assurance that the team would be able to field an upgraded roster around him for the 2014-15 season.

With players officially able to sign contracts on July 10, any such deal for Stoudemire and/or Bargnani would need to happen quickly. However, as of Monday, a number of impact free agents remained on the market. The list includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Lance Stephenson, Trevor Ariza, Caron Butler, Evan Turner, Andray Blatche, Shawn Marion, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams.

At this time, it is not clear whether or not the Knicks have decisive interest in any of the aforementioned players, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Chicago Bulls among the teams that have entered this offseason with the ability to create significant cap space, a league source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that Jackson’s goal is to emerge as a late entrant as a player, as well.

Nalod wrote:Moke Hamilton, NBA Analyst

Anyone who thought that Phil Jackson came to New York City to sit around and wait until July 2015 may be mistaken. According to a league source, his grandiose vision of building a contender may begin sooner than anyone — even Carmelo Anthony — thought possible.
Andrea BargnaniOn the heels of a Monday morning account from ESPN that states the Knicks have engaged the Philadelphia 76ers on a salary-dumping Amar’e Stoudemire trade, a league front office source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that the Knicks have also been shopping Andrea Bargnani. Jackson, according to the source, recently rebuffed a trade offer that would have seen Bargnani and Tim Hardaway Jr. sent out in a similar cap-clearing maneuver.

Days before Tyson Chandler was traded to the Dallas Mavericks in a six-player trade that also saw the Knicks net two second round draft picks that turned into Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Jackson turned down the proposed Bargani trade, the source says.

According to the source, Jackson believes that he can find a taker for Bargnani and his salary without sacrificing Hardaway Jr., despite the fact that Bargnani has appeared in just 118 games over the past three seasons. Bargnani has one year and $11.5 million remaining on his current contract.

As it stands, Jackson is believed to not only be actively shopping Stoudemire, but Bargnani, as well.

The end game, according to the source, is jettisoning their combined $34.9 million salaries off of the Knicks’ 2014-15 ledger, potentially making the Knicks a late entrant into this summer’s free agency marketplace.

Parting the Red Sea would probably be an easier endeavor, but if Jackson were able to move both Bargnani and Stoudemire without taking back and salaries and opted to walk away from Jeremy Tyler, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, Toure’ Murry, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich — all of whom are either free agents or subjected to team options — the Knicks could find themselves somewhere in the neighborhood of $40 million under the NBA’s projected 2014-15 salary cap of $63 million.

The Knicks would be woefully thin up front, but the team would have enough money under the cap to both re-sign Anthony and then scour the free agent market for some additional help. According to the source, that is Jackson’s “Plan A” for this summer, and it is believed to have been a part of his pitch to Anthony, who, according to multiple reports, was reluctant to re-sign with the Knicks without some assurance that the team would be able to field an upgraded roster around him for the 2014-15 season.

With players officially able to sign contracts on July 10, any such deal for Stoudemire and/or Bargnani would need to happen quickly. However, as of Monday, a number of impact free agents remained on the market. The list includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Lance Stephenson, Trevor Ariza, Caron Butler, Evan Turner, Andray Blatche, Shawn Marion, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams.

At this time, it is not clear whether or not the Knicks have decisive interest in any of the aforementioned players, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Chicago Bulls among the teams that have entered this offseason with the ability to create significant cap space, a league source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that Jackson’s goal is to emerge as a late entrant as a player, as well.

I find it hard to believe that the Knicks will be able to get rid of both Bargs and STAT w/o giving up both THJ and Shump. Team are going to need an incentive to take on those contracts.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:Moke Hamilton, NBA Analyst

Anyone who thought that Phil Jackson came to New York City to sit around and wait until July 2015 may be mistaken. According to a league source, his grandiose vision of building a contender may begin sooner than anyone — even Carmelo Anthony — thought possible.
Andrea BargnaniOn the heels of a Monday morning account from ESPN that states the Knicks have engaged the Philadelphia 76ers on a salary-dumping Amar’e Stoudemire trade, a league front office source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that the Knicks have also been shopping Andrea Bargnani. Jackson, according to the source, recently rebuffed a trade offer that would have seen Bargnani and Tim Hardaway Jr. sent out in a similar cap-clearing maneuver.

Days before Tyson Chandler was traded to the Dallas Mavericks in a six-player trade that also saw the Knicks net two second round draft picks that turned into Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Jackson turned down the proposed Bargani trade, the source says.

According to the source, Jackson believes that he can find a taker for Bargnani and his salary without sacrificing Hardaway Jr., despite the fact that Bargnani has appeared in just 118 games over the past three seasons. Bargnani has one year and $11.5 million remaining on his current contract.

As it stands, Jackson is believed to not only be actively shopping Stoudemire, but Bargnani, as well.

The end game, according to the source, is jettisoning their combined $34.9 million salaries off of the Knicks’ 2014-15 ledger, potentially making the Knicks a late entrant into this summer’s free agency marketplace.

Parting the Red Sea would probably be an easier endeavor, but if Jackson were able to move both Bargnani and Stoudemire without taking back and salaries and opted to walk away from Jeremy Tyler, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, Toure’ Murry, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich — all of whom are either free agents or subjected to team options — the Knicks could find themselves somewhere in the neighborhood of $40 million under the NBA’s projected 2014-15 salary cap of $63 million.

The Knicks would be woefully thin up front, but the team would have enough money under the cap to both re-sign Anthony and then scour the free agent market for some additional help. According to the source, that is Jackson’s “Plan A” for this summer, and it is believed to have been a part of his pitch to Anthony, who, according to multiple reports, was reluctant to re-sign with the Knicks without some assurance that the team would be able to field an upgraded roster around him for the 2014-15 season.

With players officially able to sign contracts on July 10, any such deal for Stoudemire and/or Bargnani would need to happen quickly. However, as of Monday, a number of impact free agents remained on the market. The list includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Lance Stephenson, Trevor Ariza, Caron Butler, Evan Turner, Andray Blatche, Shawn Marion, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams.

At this time, it is not clear whether or not the Knicks have decisive interest in any of the aforementioned players, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Chicago Bulls among the teams that have entered this offseason with the ability to create significant cap space, a league source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that Jackson’s goal is to emerge as a late entrant as a player, as well.

I find it hard to believe that the Knicks will be able to get rid of both Bargs and STAT w/o giving up both THJ and Shump. Team are going to need an incentive to take on those contracts.

Its Moke.

Its a long shot.

But if you could to land Lebron? You dump.

Nalod wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:Moke Hamilton, NBA Analyst

Anyone who thought that Phil Jackson came to New York City to sit around and wait until July 2015 may be mistaken. According to a league source, his grandiose vision of building a contender may begin sooner than anyone — even Carmelo Anthony — thought possible.
Andrea BargnaniOn the heels of a Monday morning account from ESPN that states the Knicks have engaged the Philadelphia 76ers on a salary-dumping Amar’e Stoudemire trade, a league front office source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that the Knicks have also been shopping Andrea Bargnani. Jackson, according to the source, recently rebuffed a trade offer that would have seen Bargnani and Tim Hardaway Jr. sent out in a similar cap-clearing maneuver.

Days before Tyson Chandler was traded to the Dallas Mavericks in a six-player trade that also saw the Knicks net two second round draft picks that turned into Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Jackson turned down the proposed Bargani trade, the source says.

According to the source, Jackson believes that he can find a taker for Bargnani and his salary without sacrificing Hardaway Jr., despite the fact that Bargnani has appeared in just 118 games over the past three seasons. Bargnani has one year and $11.5 million remaining on his current contract.

As it stands, Jackson is believed to not only be actively shopping Stoudemire, but Bargnani, as well.

The end game, according to the source, is jettisoning their combined $34.9 million salaries off of the Knicks’ 2014-15 ledger, potentially making the Knicks a late entrant into this summer’s free agency marketplace.

Parting the Red Sea would probably be an easier endeavor, but if Jackson were able to move both Bargnani and Stoudemire without taking back and salaries and opted to walk away from Jeremy Tyler, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, Toure’ Murry, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich — all of whom are either free agents or subjected to team options — the Knicks could find themselves somewhere in the neighborhood of $40 million under the NBA’s projected 2014-15 salary cap of $63 million.

The Knicks would be woefully thin up front, but the team would have enough money under the cap to both re-sign Anthony and then scour the free agent market for some additional help. According to the source, that is Jackson’s “Plan A” for this summer, and it is believed to have been a part of his pitch to Anthony, who, according to multiple reports, was reluctant to re-sign with the Knicks without some assurance that the team would be able to field an upgraded roster around him for the 2014-15 season.

With players officially able to sign contracts on July 10, any such deal for Stoudemire and/or Bargnani would need to happen quickly. However, as of Monday, a number of impact free agents remained on the market. The list includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Lance Stephenson, Trevor Ariza, Caron Butler, Evan Turner, Andray Blatche, Shawn Marion, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams.

At this time, it is not clear whether or not the Knicks have decisive interest in any of the aforementioned players, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Chicago Bulls among the teams that have entered this offseason with the ability to create significant cap space, a league source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that Jackson’s goal is to emerge as a late entrant as a player, as well.

I find it hard to believe that the Knicks will be able to get rid of both Bargs and STAT w/o giving up both THJ and Shump. Team are going to need an incentive to take on those contracts.

Its Moke.

Its a long shot.

But if you could to land Lebron? You dump.

Is he called the Big Chief or Big Chiefer?

Riley just agreed in principle to give McRoberst the full MLE.

Nalod wrote:Moke Hamilton, NBA Analyst

Anyone who thought that Phil Jackson came to New York City to sit around and wait until July 2015 may be mistaken. According to a league source, his grandiose vision of building a contender may begin sooner than anyone — even Carmelo Anthony — thought possible.
Andrea BargnaniOn the heels of a Monday morning account from ESPN that states the Knicks have engaged the Philadelphia 76ers on a salary-dumping Amar’e Stoudemire trade, a league front office source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that the Knicks have also been shopping Andrea Bargnani. Jackson, according to the source, recently rebuffed a trade offer that would have seen Bargnani and Tim Hardaway Jr. sent out in a similar cap-clearing maneuver.

Days before Tyson Chandler was traded to the Dallas Mavericks in a six-player trade that also saw the Knicks net two second round draft picks that turned into Cleanthony Early and Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Jackson turned down the proposed Bargani trade, the source says.

According to the source, Jackson believes that he can find a taker for Bargnani and his salary without sacrificing Hardaway Jr., despite the fact that Bargnani has appeared in just 118 games over the past three seasons. Bargnani has one year and $11.5 million remaining on his current contract.

As it stands, Jackson is believed to not only be actively shopping Stoudemire, but Bargnani, as well.

The end game, according to the source, is jettisoning their combined $34.9 million salaries off of the Knicks’ 2014-15 ledger, potentially making the Knicks a late entrant into this summer’s free agency marketplace.

Parting the Red Sea would probably be an easier endeavor, but if Jackson were able to move both Bargnani and Stoudemire without taking back and salaries and opted to walk away from Jeremy Tyler, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, Toure’ Murry, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich — all of whom are either free agents or subjected to team options — the Knicks could find themselves somewhere in the neighborhood of $40 million under the NBA’s projected 2014-15 salary cap of $63 million.

The Knicks would be woefully thin up front, but the team would have enough money under the cap to both re-sign Anthony and then scour the free agent market for some additional help. According to the source, that is Jackson’s “Plan A” for this summer, and it is believed to have been a part of his pitch to Anthony, who, according to multiple reports, was reluctant to re-sign with the Knicks without some assurance that the team would be able to field an upgraded roster around him for the 2014-15 season.

With players officially able to sign contracts on July 10, any such deal for Stoudemire and/or Bargnani would need to happen quickly. However, as of Monday, a number of impact free agents remained on the market. The list includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Lance Stephenson, Trevor Ariza, Caron Butler, Evan Turner, Andray Blatche, Shawn Marion, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams.

At this time, it is not clear whether or not the Knicks have decisive interest in any of the aforementioned players, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets and Chicago Bulls among the teams that have entered this offseason with the ability to create significant cap space, a league source tells SNY.tv and TheKnicksBlog that Jackson’s goal is to emerge as a late entrant as a player, as well.

Ha, the stuff of dreams! No way in hell this happens.

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yellowboy90 wrote:Riley just agreed in principle to give McRoberst the full MLE.

Bit of a panic move- is he really worth all that?

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Riley just agreed in principle to give McRoberst the full MLE.

Bit of a panic move- is he really worth all that?

It kills me when owners complain about player salaries only to overpay for guys like Josh McRoberts and Jodie Meeks. I think McRoberts is a solid player, but c'mon.

Hmm- now the heat sign Granger to the BAE ($4.2mil over 2 years). Looks like Lebron and co are re-signing with Miami. Timing wise, Riley met with Lebron today, then signs these two players. Neither would have signed with the Heat unless the big three were going to return.

Finally, we're about to see some movement.

I happen to like McRoberts, if he sustains his play from last year, I think he would very good complimentary role player
He added the 3pt shooting/spacing, to rebounding, and passing for a BIG, quite versatile

If anything, I think Spencer Hawes is underpaid, in the NBA BIG's generally get a bit more before they peak out
I would much rather have McRoberts at 5m than Bosh at 20m at this stage of their careers
In any case I would still rather have Kevin Love or Noah at their contracts of 15m and 12m
However, none of them are attainable, Heat however, also added Danny Granger (who once was one of the TOP SF's once after Lebron/Durant with Rudy Gay and Granger being paid due to "potential"
Granger was still recovering last season, while I would speculate it is a vet min type deal with a player option for 2nd, could be a steal if he can back to 60-70% of his former self

My question is, how does Miami even have a MLE to utilize when their BIG 3 isn't even resigned
So if Lebron/Bosh bolt, it would just cut in to their regular cap space, and Wade could potentially get screwed BIG time from opting out of his 45m 2 year deal

You either get the Bi Annual Exemption or MLE if you are over the cap, you cannot get to use BOTH

As for 20m in cap space
I would much rather try to get

Ariza
Deng or even Marion (though a bit older)
McRoberts/Hawes/Gasol

then pay a max to Bosh or Wade

RonRon wrote:I happen to like McRoberts, if he sustains his play from last year, I think he would very good complimentary role player
He added the 3pt shooting/spacing, to rebounding, and passing for a BIG, quite versatile

If anything, I think Spencer Hawes is underpaid, in the NBA BIG's generally get a bit more before they peak out
I would much rather have McRoberts at 5m than Bosh at 20m at this stage of their careers
In any case I would still rather have Kevin Love or Noah at their contracts of 15m and 12m
However, none of them are attainable, Heat however, also added Danny Granger (who once was one of the TOP SF's once after Lebron/Durant with Rudy Gay and Granger being paid due to "potential"
Granger was still recovering last season, while I would speculate it is a vet min type deal with a player option for 2nd, could be a steal if he can back to 60-70% of his former self

My question is, how does Miami even have a MLE to utilize when their BIG 3 isn't even resigned
So if Lebron/Bosh bolt, it would just cut in to their regular cap space, and Wade could potentially get screwed BIG time from opting out of his 45m 2 year deal

You either get the Bi Annual Exemption or MLE if you are over the cap, you cannot get to use BOTH

As for 20m in cap space
I would much rather try to get

Ariza
Deng or even Marion (though a bit older)
McRoberts/Hawes/Gasol

then pay a max to Bosh or Wade

He did not rebound well last year but passed really well.

Nice player.

mreinman wrote:

RonRon wrote:I happen to like McRoberts, if he sustains his play from last year, I think he would very good complimentary role player
He added the 3pt shooting/spacing, to rebounding, and passing for a BIG, quite versatile

If anything, I think Spencer Hawes is underpaid, in the NBA BIG's generally get a bit more before they peak out
I would much rather have McRoberts at 5m than Bosh at 20m at this stage of their careers
In any case I would still rather have Kevin Love or Noah at their contracts of 15m and 12m
However, none of them are attainable, Heat however, also added Danny Granger (who once was one of the TOP SF's once after Lebron/Durant with Rudy Gay and Granger being paid due to "potential"
Granger was still recovering last season, while I would speculate it is a vet min type deal with a player option for 2nd, could be a steal if he can back to 60-70% of his former self

My question is, how does Miami even have a MLE to utilize when their BIG 3 isn't even resigned
So if Lebron/Bosh bolt, it would just cut in to their regular cap space, and Wade could potentially get screwed BIG time from opting out of his 45m 2 year deal

You either get the Bi Annual Exemption or MLE if you are over the cap, you cannot get to use BOTH

As for 20m in cap space
I would much rather try to get

Ariza
Deng or even Marion (though a bit older)
McRoberts/Hawes/Gasol

then pay a max to Bosh or Wade

He did not rebound well last year but passed really well.

Nice player.

Yeah I would have thought mini mle or a shorter full mle

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Really

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Riley just agreed in principle to give McRoberst the full MLE.

Bit of a panic move- is he really worth all that?

It kills me when owners complain about player salaries only to overpay for guys like Josh McRoberts and Jodie Meeks. I think McRoberts is a solid player, but c'mon.

the system is turning the other way, Stars are not worth the max and now emphasis is on the team than personalities. Stars are in large sticking with home teams and getting Paid. Kyrie Irving, Paul George and others are taking max extensions. Love wants a trade and not hit free agency.

Few years ago the role players had no love (money) shown them, not they are. Reezy, Gortat, Frye and McRoberts are getting paid.

Without a team around you the stars are not as bright!!!

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Ye gods!

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Ridiculous

Nalod wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Riley just agreed in principle to give McRoberst the full MLE.

Bit of a panic move- is he really worth all that?

It kills me when owners complain about player salaries only to overpay for guys like Josh McRoberts and Jodie Meeks. I think McRoberts is a solid player, but c'mon.

the system is turning the other way, Stars are not worth the max and now emphasis is on the team than personalities. Stars are in large sticking with home teams and getting Paid. Kyrie Irving, Paul George and others are taking max extensions. Love wants a trade and not hit free agency.

Few years ago the role players had no love (money) shown them, not they are. Reezy, Gortat, Frye and McRoberts are getting paid.

Without a team around you the stars are not as bright!!!

I get that, but it seems to be the same cycle every four years. Teams clear out cap space, whiff on major free agent signings, panic, go on to overpay some scrub and then come running hat in hand asking for more player concessions in the next CBA. Some of these signings are just bad. Channing Frye, who has yet to pull together a consistent stretch of play longer than a season, is banking $8M per. I don't need to be Nostradamus to predict that deal isn't going to end well. I will have little patience for the league if there's another lockout in 2017.