I still think we have a 18-7-1.5 48% center if Bargs dedicated 880% of his play foul line in. Can Phil make him stay in there and play like a post 7 footer?
Bargs was taking it to the rim last season, that's how he got hurt. As for post play, Calderon should get him better looks than Felton.
BRIGGS wrote:I still think we have a 18-7-1.5 48% center if Bargs dedicated 880% of his play foul line in. Can Phil make him stay in there and play like a post 7 footer?
I like your optimism maybe he will get the chance
The Replacements
C - Bargnani, Dalembert, Aldrich
F - open auditions (rebounder needed): Stoudemire (pass the ball), Tyler, summer league surprise
F - Odom/ Early, Uncle Phil chess move no one saw coming
G - Tim Hardaway Jr, Ellington, summer league surprise
G - Calderon, Larkin, point guard to be named later
BRIGGS wrote:I still think we have a 18-7-1.5 48% center if Bargs dedicated 880% of his play foul line in. Can Phil make him stay in there and play like a post 7 footer?
There will be plenty of short to mid range jumpers for Bargs to take in the triangle. That's the strength of his game now so it should be good fit.
I hope Phil can get Bargs nailed to the bench. This dude sucks! He's hit over 60+% of his shots in the post exactly once in his career and that was 5 years ago; he's never hit his post shots at an above average rate. He's averaged 18+ppg only twice and he shot 44% and 43% from the field those years. He's also never averaged 7rpg and hasn't even averaged 6rpg in 5 years. Whats the 1.5, blocks? I'm guessing blocks. He's averaged almost 1.5 blocks once in his career, 5 years ago; he has only averaged over 1bpg one other time in his career.
Guys, seriously, this guy sucks. He doesn't belong on a basketball court unless that court is at a YMCA. We were 15-27 when he played and 22-18 when he didn't. If you extrapolate the record with him in the lineup to a full season we win 29 games and tie for 11 with Detroit. If you extrapolate the record with him out of the lineup we finish with 45 wins and 5 behind Chicago.
I widh we could get rid of him altogether. But hope is an irrational thing. Bargs is here for this year.
meloshouldgo wrote:I widh we could get rid of him altogether. But hope is an irrational thing. Bargs is here for this year.
Only way I see us getting rid of him is in a Melo deal -- something like Melo/Bargnani for Harden/Lin/filler. Agree btw -- I don't want any part of this guy. He's walking fool's gold...I'd much rather see us find & go with more conventional big men..
I'll finish the sentence
...a shark's mouth 
VCoug wrote:I hope Phil can get Bargs nailed to the bench. This dude sucks! He's hit over 60+% of his shots in the post exactly once in his career and that was 5 years ago; he's never hit his post shots at an above average rate. He's averaged 18+ppg only twice and he shot 44% and 43% from the field those years. He's also never averaged 7rpg and hasn't even averaged 6rpg in 5 years. Whats the 1.5, blocks? I'm guessing blocks. He's averaged almost 1.5 blocks once in his career, 5 years ago; he has only averaged over 1bpg one other time in his career.Guys, seriously, this guy sucks. He doesn't belong on a basketball court unless that court is at a YMCA. We were 15-27 when he played and 22-18 when he didn't. If you extrapolate the record with him in the lineup to a full season we win 29 games and tie for 11 with Detroit. If you extrapolate the record with him out of the lineup we finish with 45 wins and 5 behind Chicago.
Agree 100%. Bargs had a negative win share last season didn't he? He absolutely sucks and the Knicks would be better off simply cutting him and giving his minutes to someone, anyone else.
Bargs inside? no way man. he's an outside inside player, not an inside outside player.
He's a very good post defender...We have Amare to dominate the inside game....whats the problem...let Bargs do what he do best n thats ouside
doubt it. hes PAPER soft. when are people gonna finally give up on bargnani! lol. hes SOFT
H1AND1 wrote:VCoug wrote:I hope Phil can get Bargs nailed to the bench. This dude sucks! He's hit over 60+% of his shots in the post exactly once in his career and that was 5 years ago; he's never hit his post shots at an above average rate. He's averaged 18+ppg only twice and he shot 44% and 43% from the field those years. He's also never averaged 7rpg and hasn't even averaged 6rpg in 5 years. Whats the 1.5, blocks? I'm guessing blocks. He's averaged almost 1.5 blocks once in his career, 5 years ago; he has only averaged over 1bpg one other time in his career.Guys, seriously, this guy sucks. He doesn't belong on a basketball court unless that court is at a YMCA. We were 15-27 when he played and 22-18 when he didn't. If you extrapolate the record with him in the lineup to a full season we win 29 games and tie for 11 with Detroit. If you extrapolate the record with him out of the lineup we finish with 45 wins and 5 behind Chicago.
Agree 100%. Bargs had a negative win share last season didn't he? He absolutely sucks and the Knicks would be better off simply cutting him and giving his minutes to someone, anyone else.
Its hard to argue with the facts, but there was more going on when he was playing vs. out hurt. I think on paper Bargs should be better than he is- that is why so many hold out hope.
I was optimistic last year. I think when he played, he was alongside Chandler - that was simply a bad pairing. He played & we played better when he was the 5.
If he could stay healthy, I'd be happy to roll with him at the 5, with Stat at the 4.
But I don't see him healthy for a full year - we shouldn't count on it. And he's more likely to contribute to losses than wins- which is ok if we are trying to win the lottery.
He'll fit in the offense. Well see how they pay him, but the triangle should resurrect his career.
He was misused last year. I thought it became clear he was no longer good on the outside and should play the C spot. When he filled in for Tyson he did a very good job. His post D was very good and the team won games. I have hope that Phil and Fish can put him in a position to be productive.
ill never doubt his offensive game. hes a skilled big man. but its his lack of defense which is why he should be a bench player
callmened wrote:ill never doubt his offensive game. hes a skilled big man. but its his lack of defense which is why he should be a bench player
I agree his team D sucks, but Bargs man D was very good. There is a difference. Maybe Fisher an Phil can help him with that.
GustavBahler wrote:callmened wrote:ill never doubt his offensive game. hes a skilled big man. but its his lack of defense which is why he should be a bench player
I agree his team D sucks, but Bargs man D was very good. There is a difference. Maybe Fisher an Phil can help him with that.
Guarding his position at C Bargs frustrated a lot of C's last year. He did show some small improvement in his team D, but maybe with work he can get better. We must remember that we had some poor perimeter D with Felton out there and it makes a guy like Bargs look even worse. Also being involved in the offense makes him hustle more on both ends. He can't be ignored out there and expect him to have high energy. It's just how he is. In fact there are lots of NBA players who are like that.
i agree. his inside D was surprisingly good ( i remember when he faced dwight) however its his perimeter D that was youtube-highlight-reel laughable. and since there arent many low post scorers he cant help much on d
I didn't bother to look up his FG% at the rim but I didn't think it would be that high. He rarely ever rolled after a screen and hung around the perimeter so often. He gets to the rim extremely well for a big man but he had some terrible finishes. He doesn't recognize the help coming and often puts his head down and throws up a wild shot. His mid range game is excellent. Spotting up, off the dribble, or even contested the guy is lethal with short and mid range jumpers, but his shot is too flat to be consistent from deep. I thought he took way too many threes. Woodson shouldn't have had them pick and popping so much way out there. That's a simple adjustment to make. Defensively, the guy can clearly defend in the post and he has pretty quick feet for a big when he switched on guards so often. He's not a bad shot blocker either, so all of the potential to be a good defender is there. But his pick and roll defense was some of the worst I've ever seen. Plenty of times we'd try to Ice a pick and roll and Bargs would stay attached to his man, or he simply wouldn't hedge and it would lead to so many switches and mismatches. His defensive instincts are just awful. He doesn't attempt to protect the rim, he hardly gets back on defense, he falls asleep when not defending the ball. A lot of work needs to be done on this guy. Can he change after all these years in the league? Maybe these coaches can get into his head because they seriously need to if they want to get any value out of him.
