Knicks · Hope Phil can get Bargs to play inside (page 2)

I didn't bother to look up his FG% at the rim but I didn't think it would be that high. He rarely ever rolled after a screen and hung around the perimeter so often. He gets to the rim extremely well for a big man but he had some terrible finishes. He doesn't recognize the help coming and often puts his head down and throws up a wild shot. His mid range game is excellent. Spotting up, off the dribble, or even contested the guy is lethal with short and mid range jumpers, but his shot is too flat to be consistent from deep. I thought he took way too many threes. Woodson shouldn't have had them pick and popping so much way out there. That's a simple adjustment to make. Defensively, the guy can clearly defend in the post and he has pretty quick feet for a big when he switched on guards so often. He's not a bad shot blocker either, so all of the potential to be a good defender is there. But his pick and roll defense was some of the worst I've ever seen. Plenty of times we'd try to Ice a pick and roll and Bargs would stay attached to his man, or he simply wouldn't hedge and it would lead to so many switches and mismatches. His defensive instincts are just awful. He doesn't attempt to protect the rim, he hardly gets back on defense, he falls asleep when not defending the ball. A lot of work needs to be done on this guy. Can he change after all these years in the league? Maybe these coaches can get into his head because they seriously need to if they want to get any value out of him.

tj23 wrote:I didn't bother to look up his FG% at the rim but I didn't think it would be that high. He rarely ever rolled after a screen and hung around the perimeter so often. He gets to the rim extremely well for a big man but he had some terrible finishes. He doesn't recognize the help coming and often puts his head down and throws up a wild shot. His mid range game is excellent. Spotting up, off the dribble, or even contested the guy is lethal with short and mid range jumpers, but his shot is too flat to be consistent from deep. I thought he took way too many threes. Woodson shouldn't have had them pick and popping so much way out there. That's a simple adjustment to make. Defensively, the guy can clearly defend in the post and he has pretty quick feet for a big when he switched on guards so often. He's not a bad shot blocker either, so all of the potential to be a good defender is there. But his pick and roll defense was some of the worst I've ever seen. Plenty of times we'd try to Ice a pick and roll and Bargs would stay attached to his man, or he simply wouldn't hedge and it would lead to so many switches and mismatches. His defensive instincts are just awful. He doesn't attempt to protect the rim, he hardly gets back on defense, he falls asleep when not defending the ball. A lot of work needs to be done on this guy. Can he change after all these years in the league? Maybe these coaches can get into his head because they seriously need to if they want to get any value out of him.

He's not horrible at the rim like Roy Hibbert, but he could improve. He was money from mid-range tho.

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Bonn1997 wrote:I'll finish the sentence

...a shark's mouth

Now that's harsh, and not at all backed up by advanced statistics!

We'd have a better chance of Phil Zenning Bargs into opting out of his contract. [courtesy of EnySpree's other thread]

I can't stop seeing that clip of him hurting his elbow on that dunk attempt. I see it all the time...with my waking eyes!

I think you have to use BArgs as you would Keith Van Horn. Lots of pick and pop. He'll be a nightmare at around 18-15 feet. But then you need other positions to pick up the slack

If Bargs can give production like Will Purdue, Luc Longley or Bill Wennington then Phil/Fisher has done a great job.

I hope Phil can get Bargs to do anything

It's a contract year for Bargs (and his entire career is at stake- another stinker of an outing and he will be out of the nba), and he was close to Calderon in Toronto- if these two things don't motivate him to actually put some work in during the offseason (I'll wager he's one of those players who does f*** all every offseason), then nothing will. I won't be holding my breath though- I can't stand him.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'll finish the sentence

...a shark's mouth

Now that's harsh, and not at all backed up by advanced statistics!

We'd have a better chance of Phil Zenning Bargs into opting out of his contract. [courtesy of EnySpree's other thread]

I can't stop seeing that clip of him hurting his elbow on that dunk attempt. I see it all the time...with my waking eyes!

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

callmened wrote:ill never doubt his offensive game. hes a skilled big man. but its his lack of defense which is why he should be a bench player

I agree his team D sucks, but Bargs man D was very good. There is a difference. Maybe Fisher an Phil can help him with that.

Guarding his position at C Bargs frustrated a lot of C's last year. He did show some small improvement in his team D, but maybe with work he can get better. We must remember that we had some poor perimeter D with Felton out there and it makes a guy like Bargs look even worse. Also being involved in the offense makes him hustle more on both ends. He can't be ignored out there and expect him to have high energy. It's just how he is. In fact there are lots of NBA players who are like that.

We're sitting around waiting for his three pointer to heat up. It would be much better to let him take his man in the post. He's a match-up nightmare down low or out on the wing.

SupremeCommander wrote:I think you have to use BArgs as you would Keith Van Horn. Lots of pick and pop. He'll be a nightmare at around 18-15 feet. But then you need other positions to pick up the slack

He certainly would be. I just don't understand why we're trying to give ourselves nightmares!

VCoug wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I think you have to use BArgs as you would Keith Van Horn. Lots of pick and pop. He'll be a nightmare at around 18-15 feet. But then you need other positions to pick up the slack

He certainly would be. I just don't understand why we're trying to give ourselves nightmares!

We'll see if Phil and Fish can get thru to him. I'm still hopeful. His game would seem to be a better fit for the Triangle, which would keep him closer to the basket and taking the shots he's most efficient taking in the midrange. There's a lot Bargs has to fix, but maybe Phil can do it.

I think AB is best utilized as stretch Center, he actually showed he was a decent DEFENDER last season with the Center position or with a MOBILE/ATHLETIC C, Tyson and a traditional Center is just too slow and wouldn't work together, especially with CA who is not a good defender/shot blocker

IF he does play PF, he needs a very mobile/athletic C with the ability to be a GOOD HELP DEFENDER/SOLID 1v1 DEFENDER and ability to BLOCK/ALTER SHOTS, preferably would the ability to post up/initiate the OFFENSE/good passing skills/ability to facilitate