Vmart wrote:anrst wrote:i dunno man... if it "was there all along" ... why was it "offered" just now tonight? ... seriously? wtf is brousard talking about. the offer was there all along, but it was offered tonight? how does that make any sense.
The Max was there all along. Melo just wants to jump through hoops so he can feel loved and empowered. I'm totally against giving a max deal to any player including LeBron these are guaranteed contracts one would think they learned from Houston and Amare, Rose and all those that never lived up to their max deals.
I always got the feeling that Jackson was drawing a line when he talked about Anthony taking less than Max, and that he would not make a Max offer.
As some have speculated, this gives Anthony the opportunity to be magnanimous and take less to help the team, but if he really has been offered a Max contract and takes it, he comes across as selfish, Phil comes across as weak, and the Knicks are severely hamstrung in terms of optimizing their roster.
I do find it ironic that we did a sign and trade with Denver so Anthony could get more $ and an extra year (am I wrong about this?), and then he opts out his final year. If the only financial difference between a S&T and picking him up as a FA was the extra year he got, then in essence, we gave up players and picks for a guy we could have gotten as a FA for the same terms.
If we sign him to a max we should have a team option for the final year (of course Anthony won't do this) and cut him loose if our mediocrity continues.
Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
Papabear Says
Phil has learned a big lesson. If a coach have a problem with a player , no matter how much he is making he can sit him down. But when you are President of the team you must handle things different. Phil now is singing that old Temptation song " AIN'T TO PROUD TO BEG " please don't leave me Mel 
StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Papabear wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
Papabear Says
Phil has learned a big lesson. If a coach have a problem with a player , no matter how much he is making he can sit him down. But when you are President of the team you must handle things different. Phil now is singing that old Temptation song " AIN'T TO PROUD TO BEG " please don't leave me Mel
So basically you are saying Phil should just bend over for melo and give him more money than any other player like lebron dirk duncan wade. More than those guys who have you know...won in the playoffs
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
StarksEwing1 wrote:Papabear wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
Papabear Says
Phil has learned a big lesson. If a coach have a problem with a player , no matter how much he is making he can sit him down. But when you are President of the team you must handle things different. Phil now is singing that old Temptation song " AIN'T TO PROUD TO BEG " please don't leave me Mel
So basically you are saying Phil should just bend over for melo and give him mor emoney than any other player like lebron dirk duncan wade. More than those guys who have you know...won in the playoffs
Papabear Says
So what! That's them and none of those guys could probably handle New York pressure. Just give the man his money and be done with it. If Melo takes less then that's on him.
StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
I get the impression you really don't want him back.
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
I get the impression you really don't want him back.
Well your impression is wrong. I want him back if he takes less thsi way it helps the team. believe it or not Crush i do like Melo and I know you are a bigtime melo fan but i am a Knicks fan above all else. i mean look at Duncan and Dirk who have had better careers than melo and they take less to help the team. So in closing i would liek to ahve melo back btu at least takes less money this way Phil can build a long standing competitive team unlike the previos 15 years of hell
Cartman718 wrote:tkf and dk7th have got to be depressed right now if this rumor is true. i like andrew's chain of thought though.... chicago's assets are enviable and if melo really does want to go there, the 129 mill is sure going to come at a high price.
I'm depressed and I don't even hate Melo! That contract is a disaster- there's no way he plays at a high level for 5 years- by which point he's earning what, $30mil?! I was hoping we could move him to the Bulls for something in return. I feared we'd lose him to Houston for nothing. But the absolute worst case scenario is signing him to that contract!
StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
I get the impression you really don't want him back.
Well your impression is wrong. I want him back if he takes less thsi way it helps the team. believe it or not Crush i do like Melo and I know you are a bigtime melo fan but i am a Knicks fan above all else. i mean look at Duncan and Dirk who have had better careers than melo and they take less to help the team. So in closing i would liek to ahve melo back btu at least takes less money this way Phil can build a long standing competitive team unlike the previos 15 years of hell
Obviously I'm gonna let Crush address that himself but the "if you like Melo, you like him more than the team" belief is getting pretty annoying.
StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
I get the impression you really don't want him back.
Well your impression is wrong. I want him back if he takes less thsi way it helps the team. believe it or not Crush i do like Melo and I know you are a bigtime melo fan but i am a Knicks fan above all else. i mean look at Duncan and Dirk who have had better careers than melo and they take less to help the team. So in closing i would liek to ahve melo back btu at least takes less money this way Phil can build a long standing competitive team unlike the previos 15 years of hell
Irish ... this post really brings nothing to the table.
And Dirk and Duncan's situation is another animal - the comparison fails.
TeamBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
I get the impression you really don't want him back.
Well your impression is wrong. I want him back if he takes less thsi way it helps the team. believe it or not Crush i do like Melo and I know you are a bigtime melo fan but i am a Knicks fan above all else. i mean look at Duncan and Dirk who have had better careers than melo and they take less to help the team. So in closing i would liek to ahve melo back btu at least takes less money this way Phil can build a long standing competitive team unlike the previos 15 years of hell
Obviously I'm gonna let Crush address that himself but the "if you like Melo, you like him more than the team" belief is getting pretty annoying.
Um...I never said that about Crush. So you are dead wrong. I know Crush likes the Knicks above any player
StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
I get the impression you really don't want him back.
Well your impression is wrong. I want him back if he takes less thsi way it helps the team. believe it or not Crush i do like Melo and I know you are a bigtime melo fan but i am a Knicks fan above all else. i mean look at Duncan and Dirk who have had better careers than melo and they take less to help the team. So in closing i would liek to ahve melo back btu at least takes less money this way Phil can build a long standing competitive team unlike the previos 15 years of hell
Obviously I'm gonna let Crush address that himself but the "if you like Melo, you like him more than the team" belief is getting pretty annoying.
Um...I never said that about Crush. So you are dead wrong. I know Crush likes the Knicks above any player
Read the big words and tell me what that sounds like
From what I gather, the way Phil offered it is: we'll give you the max, we'll give you it, but it will greatly limit us going forward- if you want to win take less. So I guess there is still scope for Melo to look like the hero by not accepting all of it (which is what Phil has been laying the groundwork for with his public statements of it being 'a chance to show he cares about the team and winning' etc)
TeamBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
I get the impression you really don't want him back.
Well your impression is wrong. I want him back if he takes less thsi way it helps the team. believe it or not Crush i do like Melo and I know you are a bigtime melo fan but i am a Knicks fan above all else. i mean look at Duncan and Dirk who have had better careers than melo and they take less to help the team. So in closing i would liek to ahve melo back btu at least takes less money this way Phil can build a long standing competitive team unlike the previos 15 years of hell
Obviously I'm gonna let Crush address that himself but the "if you like Melo, you like him more than the team" belief is getting pretty annoying.
Um...I never said that about Crush. So you are dead wrong. I know Crush likes the Knicks above any player
Read the big words and tell me what that sounds like
Dude please dont start something out of nothing. I think Crush is one of the better posters out there. I simply said i want melo back but at a little less money. So i was talking about ME
smackeddog wrote:From what I gather, the way Phil offered it is: we'll give you the max, we'll give you it, but it will greatly limit us going forward- if you want to win take less. So I guess there is still scope for Melo to look like the hero by not accepting all of it (which is what Phil has been laying the groundwork for with his public statements of it being 'a chance to show he cares about the team and winning' etc)
this is exactly right. Melo can be the hero or the villain. Check ... your move mr Melo?
smackeddog wrote:From what I gather, the way Phil offered it is: we'll give you the max, we'll give you it, but it will greatly limit us going forward- if you want to win take less. So I guess there is still scope for Melo to look like the hero by not accepting all of it (which is what Phil has been laying the groundwork for with his public statements of it being 'a chance to show he cares about the team and winning' etc)
Pretty much how I'm seeing it too. This is gonna be a long weekend...
StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
I get the impression you really don't want him back.
Well your impression is wrong. I want him back if he takes less thsi way it helps the team. believe it or not Crush i do like Melo and I know you are a bigtime melo fan but i am a Knicks fan above all else. i mean look at Duncan and Dirk who have had better careers than melo and they take less to help the team. So in closing i would liek to ahve melo back btu at least takes less money this way Phil can build a long standing competitive team unlike the previos 15 years of hell
Obviously I'm gonna let Crush address that himself but the "if you like Melo, you like him more than the team" belief is getting pretty annoying.
Um...I never said that about Crush. So you are dead wrong. I know Crush likes the Knicks above any player
Read the big words and tell me what that sounds like
Dude please dont start something out of nothing. I think Crush is one of the better posters out there. I simply said i want melo back but at a little less money. So i was talking about ME
Lol don't worry about it dude I'll back off
TeamBall wrote:smackeddog wrote:From what I gather, the way Phil offered it is: we'll give you the max, we'll give you it, but it will greatly limit us going forward- if you want to win take less. So I guess there is still scope for Melo to look like the hero by not accepting all of it (which is what Phil has been laying the groundwork for with his public statements of it being 'a chance to show he cares about the team and winning' etc)
Pretty much how I'm seeing it too. This is gonna be a long weekend...
I trust Phil. I dont think he cares about making Melo look like a "hero" he is just looking to improve the team quickly. I admit i dont agree with give Melo that much money personally but i do trust Phil and if he does give him that i'll support it
StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Not happy with the news. I have said all along that im FINE with melo coming back to the knicks but he should do the right thign for the team and take a decent paycut. 5 years 129 million is an extreme amount of money for any player(besides lebron).
I think he takes less than the max but comes back. He looks really good doing that. He could leave for a better situation and he could take more money.
Personally i dotn care how Melo looks i just care about the Knicks and the team ahveing a long period od sustained success without being hamstrung by the cap
I get the impression you really don't want him back.
Well your impression is wrong. I want him back if he takes less thsi way it helps the team. believe it or not Crush i do like Melo and I know you are a bigtime melo fan but i am a Knicks fan above all else. i mean look at Duncan and Dirk who have had better careers than melo and they take less to help the team. So in closing i would liek to ahve melo back btu at least takes less money this way Phil can build a long standing competitive team unlike the previos 15 years of hell
Well I didn't like the trade and was outspoken about it at the time. However, Melo has won me over with his play. Also, the ridiculous personal attacks on the guy here are hard for me not to react to when I watch the games and see what Melo does and what he is up against. I think everyone here wants the Knicks to win.
