Knicks · Source: Melo may take less money and re-sign with Knicks (page 3)

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Wow that took way too much effort lol

not really. for some reason "order of magnitude" or what is more commonly known as "powers of ten" eludes people, especially Carmelo Anthony.

so i took a different route to show what an absurd amount of money he makes.

Now to be fair, you would have to apply that equation to all recipients of sport contracts, movie deals or stock transfers. Let's not leave out the owners of said enterprises.

are you saying somebody earning 145 dollars per second is being exploited? how about the poor slob who forks over 12 dollars for a light beer to watch one first round exit after another because the guy earning 145 dollars a second won't play for 98 dollars a second instead?

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Wow that took way too much effort lol

not really. for some reason "order of magnitude" or what is more commonly known as "powers of ten" eludes people, especially Carmelo Anthony.

so i took a different route to show what an absurd amount of money he makes.

Now to be fair, you would have to apply that equation to all recipients of sport contracts, movie deals or stock transfers. Let's not leave out the owners of said enterprises.

are you saying somebody earning 145 dollars per second is being exploited? how about the poor slob who forks over 12 dollars for a light beer to watch one first round exit after another because the guy earning 145 dollars a second won't play for 98 dollars a second instead?

If you're the other "poor slob", do you slide back 47 cents and say, Oh, you paid me too much"? Maybe 10 or 15 cents, but certainly not the whole thing.

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Wow that took way too much effort lol

not really. for some reason "order of magnitude" or what is more commonly known as "powers of ten" eludes people, especially Carmelo Anthony.

so i took a different route to show what an absurd amount of money he makes.

Now to be fair, you would have to apply that equation to all recipients of sport contracts, movie deals or stock transfers. Let's not leave out the owners of said enterprises.

are you saying somebody earning 145 dollars per second is being exploited? how about the poor slob who forks over 12 dollars for a light beer to watch one first round exit after another because the guy earning 145 dollars a second won't play for 98 dollars a second instead?

If you're the other "poor slob", do you slide back 47 cents and say, Oh, you paid me too much"? Maybe 10 or 15 cents, but certainly not the whole thing.

when i am making 98 dollars a second i think about it because i am still going to be drowning in cash.

one thing to be swinging your wang around in cold blood and it's another to do what it takes to win when you say winning is the most important thing.

dk7th wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Something doesn't make sense. It's reported that Melo was offered the max but he would take less. Something is missing bc if he was offered the max, he should take it. If the Knicks don't care about the cap space, why should he? I'm sure Melo loves the team and is a dammed decent guy but I would never do that if I were him. I am just talking about his point of view though. If I were the Knicks, I would never offer him a max contract.

you have no conception how much 129 million is.

that's $64,500,000 per shoulder.

that's $314,635 per game.

that's $8740 per minute assuming 36 minutes on the floor.

that's $146 per second.

if he agreed to a 33% discount to help the team, he makes 86,430,000, another dollar amount you have no conception of.

that's $43,215,000 per shoulder.

that's $210,805 per game.

that's $5856 per minute.

that's $98 per second.

i look at 146 dollars per second as drowning in money.

i look at 98 dollars per second exactly the same way!

Can we get the figure per whiney Melohate post?

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Wow that took way too much effort lol

not really. for some reason "order of magnitude" or what is more commonly known as "powers of ten" eludes people, especially Carmelo Anthony.

so i took a different route to show what an absurd amount of money he makes.

Now to be fair, you would have to apply that equation to all recipients of sport contracts, movie deals or stock transfers. Let's not leave out the owners of said enterprises.

are you saying somebody earning 145 dollars per second is being exploited? how about the poor slob who forks over 12 dollars for a light beer to watch one first round exit after another because the guy earning 145 dollars a second won't play for 98 dollars a second instead?

If you're the other "poor slob", do you slide back 47 cents and say, Oh, you paid me too much"? Maybe 10 or 15 cents, but certainly not the whole thing.

when i am making 98 dollars a second i think about it because i am still going to be drowning in cash.

one thing to be swinging your wang around in cold blood and it's another to do what it takes to win when you say winning is the most important thing.

First thing: he's swinging his wang around in warm honey nuts.
Second thing: he's a pro athlete, you are not, and he lives a different life and reality than you and your poor lite-beer swilling slob. And he's been living this life since he was what, 19 years old? Meanwhile, you're here in UK land, typing ferociously and authoratatively about numbers and talent and things you have absolutely no first hand knowledge of.

Please, tell us more and more about what an altruistic, franchise-loving epitome of virtue you would be at 98 dollars a second.

Do you whine and cry about what Robert Downey Jr. makes for sheehit that you fork over $15 bucks a pop to stare at?

Melo is a star.

The trick is can we put together an ensomble cast. We dont' care if Melo wins an oscar, but that the knicks win "Best picture"!!!! Has a film ever won "best picture" without a lead winning an Oscar for "best leading man or women"? Maybe "Director" (coach), or "Supporting actor" (6th man) or (DPOY).

Melo not win MVP or an oscar for Knicks to win a championshop!

meloshouldgo wrote:He provided s breakdown of Melo's salary in everyday terms. You did nothing but taunt him. Yet he is the hater in this exchange? I see all posters taking shots at dk7th and not clear on why.

Which makes no sense whatsoever unless you think pro sports salaries make any "everyday" sense at all. All I'm doing is pointing that out. You really think dk7th is an objective, clear-minded voice of reason?

meloshouldgo, if from your late teenage years on you were making tens to hundreds of millions playing a sport, do you honestly think your salary negotiations resemble anything like the union hall meetings at your local grocery store chain, and that you would honestly stay awake at night, sleeplessly worrying about the price of tickets and hot dogs at MSG?

Does Melo give back to the community? does dk7th donate thousands if not hundred of thousands to the poor and impoverished at Red Hook? Does this make Melo Jesus Christ? No, but to make the comment that completely disconnected fans should have the final say so on the man's contract is pretty easy to critique as being bizarro. Melo is a professional athelete. It could all end with a snap of a few tendons.

Remember Adrian Dantley? He's a school crossing guard now.

GustavBahler wrote:ESPN is saying that Melo "will likely make his intentions public today".

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:ESPN is saying that Melo "will likely make his intentions public today".

oh goodie lol

Ha Ha. Listen for the sound of some heads exploding if he stays.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:ESPN is saying that Melo "will likely make his intentions public today".

oh goodie lol

Ha Ha. Listen for the sound of some heads exploding if he stays.

When Melo comes back we have some good things to work with. I see him as accelerating the rebuild, not slowing it. Still have a first rounder next year to help the pipeline. Still have max cap space next year even if Melo is making loot. Let people cry. Winning fixes everything. Of course you will have some folks literally pumping up every loss and every poor shooting game but thats their problem.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:ESPN is saying that Melo "will likely make his intentions public today".

oh goodie lol

Ha Ha. Listen for the sound of some heads exploding if he stays.

jrodmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:He provided s breakdown of Melo's salary in everyday terms. You did nothing but taunt him. Yet he is the hater in this exchange? I see all posters taking shots at dk7th and not clear on why.

Which makes no sense whatsoever unless you think pro sports salaries make any "everyday" sense at all. All I'm doing is pointing that out. You really think dk7th is an objective, clear-minded voice of reason?

meloshouldgo, if from your late teenage years on you were making tens to hundreds of millions playing a sport, do you honestly think your salary negotiations resemble anything like the union hall meetings at your local grocery store chain, and that you would honestly stay awake at night, sleeplessly worrying about the price of tickets and hot dogs at MSG?

Does Melo give back to the community? does dk7th donate thousands if not hundred of thousands to the poor and impoverished at Red Hook? Does this make Melo Jesus Christ? No, but to make the comment that completely disconnected fans should have the final say so on the man's contract is pretty easy to critique as being bizarro. Melo is a professional athelete. It could all end with a snap of a few tendons.

Remember Adrian Dantley? He's a school crossing guard now.

I don't want to debate whether athletes should or shouldn't make these patently ridiculous salaries. Plenty of jobs that pay low wages, put people in the way of far more health risk than any sport does. We also have examples of multiple athletes both better players than him and more accomplished who are ready to make sacrifices to win something. Which for all intents and peeps is what this thread was about.

Melo had already made more than enough money to live his remaining life in luxury and provide for his family what most people will never get. Beyond a certain level it basically comes down to greed. And yes Melo seems to be more greedy than even his own multimillionaire peers.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:ESPN is saying that Melo "will likely make his intentions public today".

oh goodie lol

Ha Ha. Listen for the sound of some heads exploding if he stays.

overpaying for talent is something that most every good team goes through. Its much easier to get better than to get good. Didnt we learn that after a decade of poor management?

When Melo comes back we have some good things to work with. I see him as accelerating the rebuild, not slowing it. Still have a first rounder next year to help the pipeline. Still have max cap space next year even if Melo is making loot. Let people cry. Winning fixes everything. Of course you will have some folks literally pumping up every loss and every poor shooting game but thats their problem.

I would be fine with signing Melo under the old CBA where you could still use the MLE and sign and trade players.Under that system overpaying wasnt as much of a big deal. In this system however paying a player the super max that isnt worth it and is over 30 years old will be the death nail to a legitimate title hope. Had the Knicks had a young player on a rookie deal that was getting underpaid for his production that could offset Melo then I would have no problem with this contract. If Anthony Bennett or Andre Drummond was on the roster you could pay Melo and get away with it. Teams with pieces in place or teams with rosters stacked with young players like the Cavs and 76ers Melos deal works for. I dont see this as a good fit for Melo or the Knicks

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:ESPN is saying that Melo "will likely make his intentions public today".

oh goodie lol

Ha Ha. Listen for the sound of some heads exploding if he stays.

overpaying for talent is something that most every good team goes through. Its much easier to get better than to get good. Didnt we learn that after a decade of poor management?

When Melo comes back we have some good things to work with. I see him as accelerating the rebuild, not slowing it. Still have a first rounder next year to help the pipeline. Still have max cap space next year even if Melo is making loot. Let people cry. Winning fixes everything. Of course you will have some folks literally pumping up every loss and every poor shooting game but thats their problem.

I'll be honest, I'd rather Melo left instead of taking the max in large part because Phil is here and I believe he is smart enough to build a contender with all that cap space, and it would have a longer shelf life than with Melo at the max. In part because of his age and health.

I still believe Jackson can build a contender with Melo getting the max, but he will have to get more creative. As I've said before, its important for Fisher to show the league that he is a good coach. Getting the team to play better than expected in the next season or two will help attract quality players, not necessarily elite. Spurs proved that you don't need a bunch of all stars in their prime to contend, although it doesn't hurt. Either way I'm good.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Something doesn't make sense. It's reported that Melo was offered the max but he would take less. Something is missing bc if he was offered the max, he should take it. If the Knicks don't care about the cap space, why should he? I'm sure Melo loves the team and is a dammed decent guy but I would never do that if I were him. I am just talking about his point of view though. If I were the Knicks, I would never offer him a max contract.

you have no conception how much 129 million is.

that's $64,500,000 per shoulder.

that's $314,635 per game.

that's $8740 per minute assuming 36 minutes on the floor.

that's $146 per second.

if he agreed to a 33% discount to help the team, he makes 86,430,000, another dollar amount you have no conception of.

that's $43,215,000 per shoulder.

that's $210,805 per game.

that's $5856 per minute.

that's $98 per second.

i look at 146 dollars per second as drowning in money.

i look at 98 dollars per second exactly the same way!

Can we get the figure per whiney Melohate post?

whiney and peevish you have covered in spades. if you can't address the post with some atom of relevance, or simply can't talk basketball then you should really keep quiet. otherwise it's a bad look.

like allan houston (who Allanfan20 names himself after), who was paid 50 million dollars per knee and whose contract crippled the knicks and still cripples the knicks to this day, all carmelo will be doing is continuing that noble tradition, getting paid umpety-ump per shoulder and crippling the knicks.

meloshouldgo wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:He provided s breakdown of Melo's salary in everyday terms. You did nothing but taunt him. Yet he is the hater in this exchange? I see all posters taking shots at dk7th and not clear on why.

Which makes no sense whatsoever unless you think pro sports salaries make any "everyday" sense at all. All I'm doing is pointing that out. You really think dk7th is an objective, clear-minded voice of reason?

meloshouldgo, if from your late teenage years on you were making tens to hundreds of millions playing a sport, do you honestly think your salary negotiations resemble anything like the union hall meetings at your local grocery store chain, and that you would honestly stay awake at night, sleeplessly worrying about the price of tickets and hot dogs at MSG?

Does Melo give back to the community? does dk7th donate thousands if not hundred of thousands to the poor and impoverished at Red Hook? Does this make Melo Jesus Christ? No, but to make the comment that completely disconnected fans should have the final say so on the man's contract is pretty easy to critique as being bizarro. Melo is a professional athelete. It could all end with a snap of a few tendons.

Remember Adrian Dantley? He's a school crossing guard now.

I don't want to debate whether athletes should or shouldn't make these patently ridiculous salaries. Plenty of jobs that pay low wages, put people in the way of far more health risk than any sport does. We also have examples of multiple athletes both better players than him and more accomplished who are ready to make sacrifices to win something. Which for all intents and peeps is what this thread was about.

Melo had already made more than enough money to live his remaining life in luxury and provide for his family what most people will never get. Beyond a certain level it basically comes down to greed. And yes Melo seems to be more greedy than even his own multimillionaire peers.

Do you see how your bold statement #1 conflicts with bold statement #2?

Anyway, I'm sure if he takes less, it won't ever be enough less. Which is why debate about salaries except by agents/athletes and GM's/commissioners is pointless.

Was Alan Houston greedy? Chris Childs? Tim Duncan, the epitome of team play and winning, made $42 million in two years. Is he greedy? Lebron makes more money selling colored water, McD's lardburgers and shoes than any 5000 people will make catching snow crabs in Alaska or removing leaky oil tanks from under old houses or teaching middle school in the Bronx. Except for your odd reality show, nobody gives a sheehit to watch that and pay insane ticket prices for the privilege. The way of the world is mostly wrong, but except for those truly on crack, this is the only world there is.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Wow that took way too much effort lol

not really. for some reason "order of magnitude" or what is more commonly known as "powers of ten" eludes people, especially Carmelo Anthony.

so i took a different route to show what an absurd amount of money he makes.

Now to be fair, you would have to apply that equation to all recipients of sport contracts, movie deals or stock transfers. Let's not leave out the owners of said enterprises.

are you saying somebody earning 145 dollars per second is being exploited? how about the poor slob who forks over 12 dollars for a light beer to watch one first round exit after another because the guy earning 145 dollars a second won't play for 98 dollars a second instead?

If you're the other "poor slob", do you slide back 47 cents and say, Oh, you paid me too much"? Maybe 10 or 15 cents, but certainly not the whole thing.

when i am making 98 dollars a second i think about it because i am still going to be drowning in cash.

one thing to be swinging your wang around in cold blood and it's another to do what it takes to win when you say winning is the most important thing.

First thing: he's swinging his wang around in warm honey nuts.
Second thing: he's a pro athlete, you are not, and he lives a different life and reality than you and your poor lite-beer swilling slob. And he's been living this life since he was what, 19 years old? Meanwhile, you're here in UK land, typing ferociously and authoratatively about numbers and talent and things you have absolutely no first hand knowledge of.

Please, tell us more and more about what an altruistic, franchise-loving epitome of virtue you would be at 98 dollars a second.

Do you whine and cry about what Robert Downey Jr. makes for sheehit that you fork over $15 bucks a pop to stare at?

glad to see you are advocating elitism through plutocracy. it really says a great deal about your values.

unlike carmelo, downey jr. is great at what he does, which is acting and entertaining. i am not asking downey jr. to win titles in new york.

basketball is not merely entertainment.

if it were then there would be no point in rooting, since rooting for entertainment is tantamount to professional wrestling. is that what the nba is to you? i would not be at all surprised. bruno sammartino and haystacks calhoun say hello.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Wow that took way too much effort lol

not really. for some reason "order of magnitude" or what is more commonly known as "powers of ten" eludes people, especially Carmelo Anthony.

so i took a different route to show what an absurd amount of money he makes.

Now to be fair, you would have to apply that equation to all recipients of sport contracts, movie deals or stock transfers. Let's not leave out the owners of said enterprises.

are you saying somebody earning 145 dollars per second is being exploited? how about the poor slob who forks over 12 dollars for a light beer to watch one first round exit after another because the guy earning 145 dollars a second won't play for 98 dollars a second instead?

If you're the other "poor slob", do you slide back 47 cents and say, Oh, you paid me too much"? Maybe 10 or 15 cents, but certainly not the whole thing.

when i am making 98 dollars a second i think about it because i am still going to be drowning in cash.

one thing to be swinging your wang around in cold blood and it's another to do what it takes to win when you say winning is the most important thing.

First thing: he's swinging his wang around in warm honey nuts.
Second thing: he's a pro athlete, you are not, and he lives a different life and reality than you and your poor lite-beer swilling slob. And he's been living this life since he was what, 19 years old? Meanwhile, you're here in UK land, typing ferociously and authoratatively about numbers and talent and things you have absolutely no first hand knowledge of.

Please, tell us more and more about what an altruistic, franchise-loving epitome of virtue you would be at 98 dollars a second.

Do you whine and cry about what Robert Downey Jr. makes for sheehit that you fork over $15 bucks a pop to stare at?

glad to see you are advocating elitism through plutocracy. it really says a great deal about your values.

unlike carmelo, downey jr. is great at what he does, which is acting and entertaining. i am not asking downey jr. to win titles in new york.

basketball is not merely entertainment.

if it were then there would be no point in rooting, since rooting for entertainment is tantamount to professional wrestling. is that what the nba is to you? i would not be at all surprised. bruno sammartino and haystacks calhoun say hello.

Big words, whoa. Glad to see you're going to continue holding tenaciously onto your Pollyanna view of the world, replete with continual failed analogies.

Glad you're not asking Robert Downey Jr. to go out and get 28/8 regularly. Great point.
By the way, I'm not asking Melo to win an Oscar for dressing up in CGI metal suits and delivering lines in a pithy manner. Does that get me points on your values scale?

And why not try to stay on topic, huh? You're critiquing pay scales and dividing obscene salaries by random numbers, what's that got to do with rooting for the team? All you're managing to do is pathetically justify your hate of one player through a third grade math exercise. PJax is making a million dollars a month for a job he's never done. Please scream about your nirvanic anti-elitism through socio-economic equality on that one, too.

Wake up little boy, pro basketball is entertainment. Complete with deranged back page media coverage, groupies and haters, game fixing refs and flopping. If you want pure sports enjoyment, I recommend spending time watching your local high school teams. At least then you won't have to worry what the players are costing you per millisecond to watch.

It's okay, you hate because you care so deeply and profoundly.

And let me know, any time now, what dividing salary per shoulder means, in purely basketball terms.