Knicks · Begley:Jackson has approached a team about trading Stoudemire (page 3)

Even a pau back up.

Lebron
Melo
Love

That would be our core, with our philosophy being

REBOUNDING
POST UP's
WIDE OPEN 3pter's
Utilization of multiple picks both on and off the ball, player movement, ball movement, and plays/counters for finding exploiting the mismatches/open looks consistently
Pick and Roll, NEVER GET's OLD, and FAKE pick's and roll's (like how Kmart master's his footwork/use of screen's, mobility/athleticism/ability to finish)
Lebron's ability to penetrate and finish/ and facilitate/initiate an offense in addition to ALL other players to be able to spread the floor

This is where role players can look like ALL STAR's in a system

Calderon "40% career 3pt shooter and HIGH IQ PASSER"
Tim Hardaway JR, though need's to improve DEF, shot selection, and ability to penetrate/facilitate better

James Johnson to a VET MIN 2 year deal, playing a Shane Battier Role and help the development of Early/Thiannis as similar builds
Early/Thiannis

Jeremy Tyler playing a Kmart role

VET's with vet min contracts

James Johnson
Darko Milicic if he has been staying in shape, think he fits in the Triangle perfectly with his skills/versatility if people could just put aside his draft selection *could be the luck of the 2003 draft*

2014/15 (this summer) MLE?? Could go anywhere with this exemption
3.6m trade exemption obtained from Dallas with the 3m we can use in trades (could be used by NEXT YEAR, as we have exactly 1 year to use it of the date obtained or even this coming season's trade deadline)
Would target Josh McRoberts PF/C, this summer with one of the exemptions, and look for cheap and YOUNGER options in rotations of 4 PG's and PG/SG's

2015-16 Bi Annual Exemption in 2015 or another MLE if we trade
2015 draft pick (likely traded rights to player, if we can get the the 5m MLE)

Undrafted 2014 talents
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DeAndre Kane
Deonte Burton
Backnaski

I have said about the top 3 in multiple threads

James McAdoo

(a Jared Jeffries/David Lee type of role)

Khem Birch

a poor man's Wilson Chandler

CJ FAIR

a young G/F Josh Howard

Sean Kilpatrick a BIG PG/SG, Jrue Holiday/MCW role
Markel Stark's a Steve Kerr/Paxson type of role

We play OFF these 3 players and the other 2 are usually PLAYING OFF these players strengths and abilities
However, at anytime our BIG 3 would be able to play a DECOY role, as we fully utilize our strengths/stamina

Simply with the undrafted talents, I think we can build a CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDING TEAM if we can assemble a big 3
I would love Durant/Noah in 2016, especially with Durant because of his age/abilities for another decade

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If you trade Amar'e, you have to give up assets- what's the point? Just let him expire- losing his contract doesn't achieve anything, we'd still be over the cap.

culture change-- you don't want a guy who is a dead man walking on a rebuild squad. can't rely on his "professionalism" here.

jackson does not seem like he will abide any disgruntlement.

Then buy him out- don't lose a pick or a young player.

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If you trade Amar'e, you have to give up assets- what's the point? Just let him expire- losing his contract doesn't achieve anything, we'd still be over the cap.

culture change-- you don't want a guy who is a dead man walking on a rebuild squad. can't rely on his "professionalism" here.

jackson does not seem like he will abide any disgruntlement.

Then buy him out- don't lose a pick or a young player.

As stated previously, you trade Amare and assets only if you plan on signing a FA, like lebron. Knicks could gain about 30m in space to split however between melo or others. Maybe you do it to pair melo with a 10m free agent....but i wouldnt.

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If you trade Amar'e, you have to give up assets- what's the point? Just let him expire- losing his contract doesn't achieve anything, we'd still be over the cap.

culture change-- you don't want a guy who is a dead man walking on a rebuild squad. can't rely on his "professionalism" here.

jackson does not seem like he will abide any disgruntlement.

Then buy him out- don't lose a pick or a young player.

As stated previously, you trade Amare and assets only if you plan on signing a FA, like lebron. Knicks could gain about 30m in space to split however between melo or others. Maybe you do it to pair melo with a 10m free agent....but i wouldnt.

I don't think it would clear up enough cap space to sign a FA, we're on $60mil at the moment- remove Amar'es $23 mil, but then just add it back on as thats what Melo's number would be roughly, putting us back at $60mil. The cap is projected to be maybe $63mil.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.h...

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If you trade Amar'e, you have to give up assets- what's the point? Just let him expire- losing his contract doesn't achieve anything, we'd still be over the cap.

culture change-- you don't want a guy who is a dead man walking on a rebuild squad. can't rely on his "professionalism" here.

jackson does not seem like he will abide any disgruntlement.

Then buy him out- don't lose a pick or a young player.

As stated previously, you trade Amare and assets only if you plan on signing a FA, like lebron. Knicks could gain about 30m in space to split however between melo or others. Maybe you do it to pair melo with a 10m free agent....but i wouldnt.

I don't think it would clear up enough cap space to sign a FA, we're on $60mil at the moment- remove Amar'es $23 mil, but then just add it back on as thats what Melo's number would be roughly, putting us back at $60mil. The cap is projected to be maybe $63mil.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.h...

Under one set of assumptions, yes. But if shump is traded alongside amare, dalembert not picked up and melo takes slightly less, you have dollars available in fa to sign another guy.

I personally dont think melo takes less without guarentees that other moves take place, and this year. Not wait until next and see what happens.

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If you trade Amar'e, you have to give up assets- what's the point? Just let him expire- losing his contract doesn't achieve anything, we'd still be over the cap.

culture change-- you don't want a guy who is a dead man walking on a rebuild squad. can't rely on his "professionalism" here.

jackson does not seem like he will abide any disgruntlement.

Then buy him out- don't lose a pick or a young player.

As stated previously, you trade Amare and assets only if you plan on signing a FA, like lebron. Knicks could gain about 30m in space to split however between melo or others. Maybe you do it to pair melo with a 10m free agent....but i wouldnt.

I don't think it would clear up enough cap space to sign a FA, we're on $60mil at the moment- remove Amar'es $23 mil, but then just add it back on as thats what Melo's number would be roughly, putting us back at $60mil. The cap is projected to be maybe $63mil.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.h...

Under one set of assumptions, yes. But if shump is traded alongside amare, dalembert not picked up and melo takes slightly less, you have dollars available in fa to sign another guy.

I personally dont think melo takes less without guarentees that other moves take place, and this year. Not wait until next and see what happens.

I think this is it. to have that flexibility, we need to move Stat and Bargs or Stat and JR. This will cost us some assets. Pau is a likely target. Haven't heard any other FA names of note, so maybe there is a possible sign and trade that we haven't heard about. If Melo resigns, we will see some moves to help the roster now. If he leaves, well then it will be smaller moves. Either way, i don't think the roster is done yet, we just need to know what Melo is going to do first.

knicks1248 wrote:whats the difference between stat and pau?

about 12M

knicks1248 wrote:whats the difference between stat and pau?

Pau will breakdown upon signing with us, where as Stat broke down a year after signing with us.

To throw away STAT at this point, I see at least 1 st rounder, possibly 2 1st rounders, 2018/2020 *Marbury/Curry* all over again type moves, or at least 2 picks total (one being a 2nd)
With some players like
Iman
Larkin
2nd round selections
Low salary players that are YOUNG to go with him in addition to draft picks gone
Like Tyler/Tim Hardaway JR

What if JR Smith and another one of these players was also sent packing to clear even more room
Would CA still be good for his word?

If that money is used for Pau Gasol, I don't think it is smart, but then again, maybe Phil has a couple more tricks up his sleaves

CA said he would take money for the 2014 season, for the Knick's or any other roster, but has refuted waiting till 2015, with all this hold up, maybe this is the reason and cause of the drama

RonRon wrote:Unless we can get a Lebron type UFA, I don't see why we would even think about this

To throw away STAT at this point, I see at least 1 st rounder, possibly 2 1st rounders, 2018/2020 *Marbury/Curry* all over again type moves, or at least 2 picks total (one being a 2nd)
With some players like
Iman
Larkin
2nd round selections
Low salary players that are YOUNG to go with him in addition to draft picks gone
Like Tyler/Tim Hardaway JR

What if JR Smith and another one of these players was also sent packing to clear even more room
Would CA still be good for his word?

If that money is used for Pau Gasol, I don't think it is smart, but then again, maybe Phil has a couple more tricks up his sleaves

CA said he would take money for the 2014 season, for the Knick's or any other roster, but has refuted waiting till 2015, with all this hold up, maybe this is the reason and cause of the drama

But why? A team under the cap can take Stats 23 million and send us e.g. 23 million in contracts (or less) over 3-4 years. That might give us the flexibility to bring in a big FA this year.
Depending on who we get in return, we might actually not have to include much of an asset.

earthmansurfer wrote:

RonRon wrote:Unless we can get a Lebron type UFA, I don't see why we would even think about this

To throw away STAT at this point, I see at least 1 st rounder, possibly 2 1st rounders, 2018/2020 *Marbury/Curry* all over again type moves, or at least 2 picks total (one being a 2nd)
With some players like
Iman
Larkin
2nd round selections
Low salary players that are YOUNG to go with him in addition to draft picks gone
Like Tyler/Tim Hardaway JR

What if JR Smith and another one of these players was also sent packing to clear even more room
Would CA still be good for his word?

If that money is used for Pau Gasol, I don't think it is smart, but then again, maybe Phil has a couple more tricks up his sleaves

CA said he would take money for the 2014 season, for the Knick's or any other roster, but has refuted waiting till 2015, with all this hold up, maybe this is the reason and cause of the drama

But why? A team under the cap can take Stats 23 million and send us e.g. 23 million in contracts (or less) over 3-4 years. That might give us the flexibility to bring in a big FA this year.
Depending on who we get in return, we might actually not have to include much of an asset.

If we're sending out $23M in contracts and bringing back $23M in contracts then we wouldn't be getting any flexibility this year.

http://theknickswall.com/2014/07/07/76ers-interested-stoudemire/

According to a report on ESPN Radio, the New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers have had discussions about sending Amare Stoudemire to Philadelphia. Stoudemire has one-year and $23 million deal remaining on his deal and is a desirable player for a team like the 76ers because, quite honestly, he will help them tank (and cut costs next year). Of course, while Stoudemire will help the 76ers lose and save some money next season, he’s not the most attractive player in the league. As such, the Knicks are willing to package Iman Shumpert with Stoudemire to entice the 76ers even more.

While there haven’t been any reports of a possible player for the 76ers to send back, I’d hope that the Knicks at least inquire about Thad Young, a young player with two-years, roughly $19.5 million left on his deal. He’s an asset that would help the Knicks win now, but also add to the core moving forward. Young is also the 76ers’ most expensive player, and while the 76ers don’t need to send back comparable salaries, due to the fact they’re way below the salary cap, sending Thad to New York would open about $9 million in cap room for them starting next season.

GustavBahler wrote:This was my guess what might happen. Stat traded not for a star but for good role player(s).

http://theknickswall.com/2014/07/07/76ers-interested-stoudemire/

According to a report on ESPN Radio, the New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers have had discussions about sending Amare Stoudemire to Philadelphia. Stoudemire has one-year and $23 million deal remaining on his deal and is a desirable player for a team like the 76ers because, quite honestly, he will help them tank (and cut costs next year). Of course, while Stoudemire will help the 76ers lose and save some money next season, he’s not the most attractive player in the league. As such, the Knicks are willing to package Iman Shumpert with Stoudemire to entice the 76ers even more.

While there haven’t been any reports of a possible player for the 76ers to send back, I’d hope that the Knicks at least inquire about Thad Young, a young player with two-years, roughly $19.5 million left on his deal. He’s an asset that would help the Knicks win now, but also add to the core moving forward. Young is also the 76ers’ most expensive player, and while the 76ers don’t need to send back comparable salaries, due to the fact they’re way below the salary cap, sending Thad to New York would open about $9 million in cap room for them starting next season.

this makes a lot of sense

SupremeCommander wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:This was my guess what might happen. Stat traded not for a star but for good role player(s).

http://theknickswall.com/2014/07/07/76ers-interested-stoudemire/

According to a report on ESPN Radio, the New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers have had discussions about sending Amare Stoudemire to Philadelphia. Stoudemire has one-year and $23 million deal remaining on his deal and is a desirable player for a team like the 76ers because, quite honestly, he will help them tank (and cut costs next year). Of course, while Stoudemire will help the 76ers lose and save some money next season, he’s not the most attractive player in the league. As such, the Knicks are willing to package Iman Shumpert with Stoudemire to entice the 76ers even more.

While there haven’t been any reports of a possible player for the 76ers to send back, I’d hope that the Knicks at least inquire about Thad Young, a young player with two-years, roughly $19.5 million left on his deal. He’s an asset that would help the Knicks win now, but also add to the core moving forward. Young is also the 76ers’ most expensive player, and while the 76ers don’t need to send back comparable salaries, due to the fact they’re way below the salary cap, sending Thad to New York would open about $9 million in cap room for them starting next season.

this makes a lot of sense

SupremeCommander wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:This was my guess what might happen. Stat traded not for a star but for good role player(s).

http://theknickswall.com/2014/07/07/76ers-interested-stoudemire/

According to a report on ESPN Radio, the New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers have had discussions about sending Amare Stoudemire to Philadelphia. Stoudemire has one-year and $23 million deal remaining on his deal and is a desirable player for a team like the 76ers because, quite honestly, he will help them tank (and cut costs next year). Of course, while Stoudemire will help the 76ers lose and save some money next season, he’s not the most attractive player in the league. As such, the Knicks are willing to package Iman Shumpert with Stoudemire to entice the 76ers even more.

While there haven’t been any reports of a possible player for the 76ers to send back, I’d hope that the Knicks at least inquire about Thad Young, a young player with two-years, roughly $19.5 million left on his deal. He’s an asset that would help the Knicks win now, but also add to the core moving forward. Young is also the 76ers’ most expensive player, and while the 76ers don’t need to send back comparable salaries, due to the fact they’re way below the salary cap, sending Thad to New York would open about $9 million in cap room for them starting next season.

this makes a lot of sense

I am torn on this trade, i'm a big amare fan, however, Thad Young is a real life upgrade to win now.
huge amare fan, would love to see what he can give us next year and come off the books,
BUT Thad Young gives us 18 points, 6 rebounds (would love more here) and a half block
vs Amare 10 points, 5 boards and half a block

but younger, half the price and maybe zen knows what's going on that we don't? But i'm definitely intrigued.