Knicks · SAS- Melo back for the Max (page 6)
StarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Here's my problem with everyone complaining about Melo taking a pay cut. PJax is the ultimate champion, the Zen Master, the BB genius, the President of BB Opps, the one who delves out the contracts. Obviously, PJax knows what it takes to be a champion in this league, so why would the Zen Master put a max contract on the table for Melo to sign? Either he's not the genius that everyone thinks he is, or he is a genius and knows a one max contract will not prevent him from still putting together a team that can eventually compete with a 'chip.But why do you get upset at us for wanting him to take less? We simply care about the team and dont wnat to ahve teh salary cap restrictions we have had for 15 years.
knicks will still have the ability to add a max or very close to max salary player next offseason.
meloshouldgo wrote:Because they care more about Melo than they do the Knicks.
BS!!! I root for Melo only because he wears the Blue and Orange. Was a Knick fan long before he was a Knick and will be long after. I dont root against my fav team because of one player like some posters do around here....
Uptown wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Well Durant and Lebron are better players than Melo and have had more success so of course they should get more. If I were Melo and i knew my playoff record was tough to look at i would take a paycut in order to get the best players i can to build around meBonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC?
Since Durant is a better player than Melo, does that mean he can sign to the max and he doesn't need to take a pay cut because he doesn't need as many players to build around him? Last I checked, Durant didn't get past the Spurs this year either. Also, he has the same amount of rings as Melo....
You are now making an argument on what Durant will do next year because you of all people have personal insight into what he will do? Right after calling Lebron and Bosh idiots for taking the max having watched them take millions less for 4 years to do the exact thing you ridiculed?
So precious.
First off, the 'idiot' comment was a sarcastic response to Bonn. Perhaps you should read everything that was said you can get the gist of where I was going with my post...
Well you're still confusing the issue of examining a signing from the player's vs. the team's perspective. I *never* said these players were idiots for taking the most money they could get. I don't know anything about their goals in life. Maybe they want as many mansions as possible and that's their right. The Heat are idiots for giving Bosh that salary but if Bosh wants to own dozens of mansions, then he's smart for taking the deal.
Uptown wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Because they care more about Melo than they do the Knicks.BS!!! I root for Melo only because he wears the Blue and Orange. Was a Knick fan long before he was a Knick and will be long after. I dont root against my fav team because of one player like some posters do around here....
That's a straw man. No one here suggested you should stop rooting for him
Uptown wrote:Who roots against their favorite team? That sounds like BS as wellmeloshouldgo wrote:Because they care more about Melo than they do the Knicks.BS!!! I root for Melo only because he wears the Blue and Orange. Was a Knick fan long before he was a Knick and will be long after. I dont root against my fav team because of one player like some posters do around here....
Bonn1997 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Excellent PointUptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC so they too cam compete with the Spurs.
It's not a matter of what model I *want* to use. The issue is that we *have to* build a team with better players make much less.
Well I messed up and went back to edit it. I guess you figured out what I was trying to say though. I seriously don't understand why people are concerned about Melo's perspective. We're Knicks' fans, right? We have to worry about it whether this works from the Knicks' perspective. If Melo's best interests and the Knicks' best interests don't align, you can't side with Melo if you're a Knicks' fan.
I'm looking at both sides...the players side and the front office side. As a player, if 11 time champion Phil Jackson puts a max contract in front of me, I'm signing it. The problem I'm seeing is, no one seems to put any blame on Phil. Everyone is blaming the player for signing a contract that probably should have never been offered in the first place.
StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Not taking a shot at melo. See this is what aggravates me. If i am even a tad bit critical of melo i get labeled a melo hater. i have defended the guy plenty of times. However i dont care about his finacial welfare i jst acre about the Knicks payroll because i want to build a long standing contender. I have said a billion times i would liek to have melo back to build around him but the least he could do is take a tad bit less to help phil build the teamStarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Well Durant and Lebron are better players than Melo and have had more success so of course they should get more. If I were Melo and i knew my playoff record was tough to look at i would take a paycut in order to get the best players i can to build around meBonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC?
So this would actually be your thought process? Or did you just want to take a shot at Melos playoff record for the billionth time?
You're too damn sensitive. First off, not once did I label you a "melo hater". You keep trying to play victim for some reason. Second, if you read my post instead of getting emotional, you would have seen that the point was that you keep repeating that "Melos playoff record isn't the best" when, most of the time, it was nothing to do with the conversation. That would be taking a shot.
Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Excellent PointUptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC so they too cam compete with the Spurs.
It's not a matter of what model I *want* to use. The issue is that we *have to* build a team with better players make much less.
Well I messed up and went back to edit it. I guess you figured out what I was trying to say though. I seriously don't understand why people are concerned about Melo's perspective. We're Knicks' fans, right? We have to worry about it whether this works from the Knicks' perspective. If Melo's best interests and the Knicks' best interests don't align, you can't side with Melo if you're a Knicks' fan.I'm looking at both sides...the players side and the front office side. As a player, if 11 time champion Phil Jackson puts a max contract in front of me, I'm signing it. The problem I'm seeing is, no one seems to put any blame on Phil. Everyone is blaming the player for signing a contract that probably should have never been offered in the first place.
He is the only person I would blame.
TeamBall wrote:no need to be sensitive dude. We are both diehard knick fans lets just keep it civil. Lets Go Knicks!!StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Not taking a shot at melo. See this is what aggravates me. If i am even a tad bit critical of melo i get labeled a melo hater. i have defended the guy plenty of times. However i dont care about his finacial welfare i jst acre about the Knicks payroll because i want to build a long standing contender. I have said a billion times i would liek to have melo back to build around him but the least he could do is take a tad bit less to help phil build the teamStarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Well Durant and Lebron are better players than Melo and have had more success so of course they should get more. If I were Melo and i knew my playoff record was tough to look at i would take a paycut in order to get the best players i can to build around meBonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC?
So this would actually be your thought process? Or did you just want to take a shot at Melos playoff record for the billionth time?
You're too damn sensitive. First off, not once did I label you a "melo hater". You keep trying to play victim for some reason. Second, if you read my post instead of getting emotional, you would have seen that the point was that you keep repeating that "Melos playoff record isn't the best" when, most of the time, it was nothing to do with the conversation. That would be taking a shot.
Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Because they care more about Melo than they do the Knicks.BS!!! I root for Melo only because he wears the Blue and Orange. Was a Knick fan long before he was a Knick and will be long after. I dont root against my fav team because of one player like some posters do around here....
That's a straw man. No one here suggested you should stop rooting for him
Did you not read the post that I quoted? A guy by the name of Meloshouldgo (is it really possible to have an objective convo with this dude?) claimed that some here care more about Melo than the Knicks. I called him out on the BS. Nothing Straw man here...
Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah i like Phil but im not crazy about him offering 129 million to a 30 year old its risky for any player in their 30'sUptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Excellent PointUptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC so they too cam compete with the Spurs.
It's not a matter of what model I *want* to use. The issue is that we *have to* build a team with better players make much less.
Well I messed up and went back to edit it. I guess you figured out what I was trying to say though. I seriously don't understand why people are concerned about Melo's perspective. We're Knicks' fans, right? We have to worry about it whether this works from the Knicks' perspective. If Melo's best interests and the Knicks' best interests don't align, you can't side with Melo if you're a Knicks' fan.I'm looking at both sides...the players side and the front office side. As a player, if 11 time champion Phil Jackson puts a max contract in front of me, I'm signing it. The problem I'm seeing is, no one seems to put any blame on Phil. Everyone is blaming the player for signing a contract that probably should have never been offered in the first place.
He is the only person I would blame.
Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Excellent PointUptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC so they too cam compete with the Spurs.
It's not a matter of what model I *want* to use. The issue is that we *have to* build a team with better players make much less.
Well I messed up and went back to edit it. I guess you figured out what I was trying to say though. I seriously don't understand why people are concerned about Melo's perspective. We're Knicks' fans, right? We have to worry about it whether this works from the Knicks' perspective. If Melo's best interests and the Knicks' best interests don't align, you can't side with Melo if you're a Knicks' fan.I'm looking at both sides...the players side and the front office side. As a player, if 11 time champion Phil Jackson puts a max contract in front of me, I'm signing it. The problem I'm seeing is, no one seems to put any blame on Phil. Everyone is blaming the player for signing a contract that probably should have never been offered in the first place.
He is the only person I would blame.
That has been my point the entire time....
StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:no need to be sensitive dude. We are both diehard knick fans lets just keep it civil. Lets Go Knicks!!StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Not taking a shot at melo. See this is what aggravates me. If i am even a tad bit critical of melo i get labeled a melo hater. i have defended the guy plenty of times. However i dont care about his finacial welfare i jst acre about the Knicks payroll because i want to build a long standing contender. I have said a billion times i would liek to have melo back to build around him but the least he could do is take a tad bit less to help phil build the teamStarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Well Durant and Lebron are better players than Melo and have had more success so of course they should get more. If I were Melo and i knew my playoff record was tough to look at i would take a paycut in order to get the best players i can to build around meBonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC?
So this would actually be your thought process? Or did you just want to take a shot at Melos playoff record for the billionth time?
You're too damn sensitive. First off, not once did I label you a "melo hater". You keep trying to play victim for some reason. Second, if you read my post instead of getting emotional, you would have seen that the point was that you keep repeating that "Melos playoff record isn't the best" when, most of the time, it was nothing to do with the conversation. That would be taking a shot.
Yeah, honestly I'm skeptical but I'm going to try to keep an open mind rather than ruling out the possibility of it working. I won't enjoy being a fan otherwise! I'll just hope it somehow works out great
Uptown wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Well Durant and Lebron are better players than Melo and have had more success so of course they should get more. If I were Melo and i knew my playoff record was tough to look at i would take a paycut in order to get the best players i can to build around meBonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC?
Since Durant is a better player than Melo, does that mean he can sign to the max and he doesn't need to take a pay cut because he doesn't need as many players to build around him? Last I checked, Durant didn't get past the Spurs this year either. Also, he has the same amount of rings as Melo....
You are now making an argument on what Durant will do next year because you of all people have personal insight into what he will do? Right after calling Lebron and Bosh idiots for taking the max having watched them take millions less for 4 years to do the exact thing you ridiculed?
So precious.
First off, the 'idiot' comment was a sarcastic response to Bonn. Perhaps you should read everything that was said you can get the gist of where I was going with my post...
I was questioning why you felt the need to level your sarcasm at people (Lebron and Bosh) who did the exact things you were accusing them of not doing(Taking less to win championships). Like Bonn pointed out earlier you seem to be too wrapped up in what's best for Melo.
StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:no need to be sensitive dude. We are both diehard knick fans lets just keep it civil. Lets Go Knicks!!StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Not taking a shot at melo. See this is what aggravates me. If i am even a tad bit critical of melo i get labeled a melo hater. i have defended the guy plenty of times. However i dont care about his finacial welfare i jst acre about the Knicks payroll because i want to build a long standing contender. I have said a billion times i would liek to have melo back to build around him but the least he could do is take a tad bit less to help phil build the teamStarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Well Durant and Lebron are better players than Melo and have had more success so of course they should get more. If I were Melo and i knew my playoff record was tough to look at i would take a paycut in order to get the best players i can to build around meBonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC?
So this would actually be your thought process? Or did you just want to take a shot at Melos playoff record for the billionth time?
You're too damn sensitive. First off, not once did I label you a "melo hater". You keep trying to play victim for some reason. Second, if you read my post instead of getting emotional, you would have seen that the point was that you keep repeating that "Melos playoff record isn't the best" when, most of the time, it was nothing to do with the conversation. That would be taking a shot.
Quality response Irish
Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah i never said we are doomed. I just would ahve been happier with him taking less. i would have given him major propsStarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:no need to be sensitive dude. We are both diehard knick fans lets just keep it civil. Lets Go Knicks!!StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Not taking a shot at melo. See this is what aggravates me. If i am even a tad bit critical of melo i get labeled a melo hater. i have defended the guy plenty of times. However i dont care about his finacial welfare i jst acre about the Knicks payroll because i want to build a long standing contender. I have said a billion times i would liek to have melo back to build around him but the least he could do is take a tad bit less to help phil build the teamStarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Well Durant and Lebron are better players than Melo and have had more success so of course they should get more. If I were Melo and i knew my playoff record was tough to look at i would take a paycut in order to get the best players i can to build around meBonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC?
So this would actually be your thought process? Or did you just want to take a shot at Melos playoff record for the billionth time?
You're too damn sensitive. First off, not once did I label you a "melo hater". You keep trying to play victim for some reason. Second, if you read my post instead of getting emotional, you would have seen that the point was that you keep repeating that "Melos playoff record isn't the best" when, most of the time, it was nothing to do with the conversation. That would be taking a shot.
Yeah, honestly I'm skeptical but I'm going to try to keep an open mind rather than ruling out the possibility of it working. I won't enjoy being a fan otherwise! I'll just hope it somehow works out great
Uptown wrote:+1. Not a big Melo fan before he came to NY. Watching his play won me over. Trying to provide some balance and truth with his harsh critics on here has made me even more of a fan.meloshouldgo wrote:Because they care more about Melo than they do the Knicks.BS!!! I root for Melo only because he wears the Blue and Orange. Was a Knick fan long before he was a Knick and will be long after. I dont root against my fav team because of one player like some posters do around here....
Bonn1997 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:no need to be sensitive dude. We are both diehard knick fans lets just keep it civil. Lets Go Knicks!!StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Not taking a shot at melo. See this is what aggravates me. If i am even a tad bit critical of melo i get labeled a melo hater. i have defended the guy plenty of times. However i dont care about his finacial welfare i jst acre about the Knicks payroll because i want to build a long standing contender. I have said a billion times i would liek to have melo back to build around him but the least he could do is take a tad bit less to help phil build the teamStarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Well Durant and Lebron are better players than Melo and have had more success so of course they should get more. If I were Melo and i knew my playoff record was tough to look at i would take a paycut in order to get the best players i can to build around meBonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC?
So this would actually be your thought process? Or did you just want to take a shot at Melos playoff record for the billionth time?
You're too damn sensitive. First off, not once did I label you a "melo hater". You keep trying to play victim for some reason. Second, if you read my post instead of getting emotional, you would have seen that the point was that you keep repeating that "Melos playoff record isn't the best" when, most of the time, it was nothing to do with the conversation. That would be taking a shot.
Yeah, honestly I'm skeptical but I'm going to try to keep an open mind rather than ruling out the possibility of it working. I won't enjoy being a fan otherwise! I'll just hope it somehow works out great
If this somehow attracts Kevin Love, I'll be thrilled.
TeamBall wrote:Im Italian but the point is lets just see what happens. I always wnated melo back i just would have preferred he take a bit less.StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:no need to be sensitive dude. We are both diehard knick fans lets just keep it civil. Lets Go Knicks!!StarksEwing1 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Not taking a shot at melo. See this is what aggravates me. If i am even a tad bit critical of melo i get labeled a melo hater. i have defended the guy plenty of times. However i dont care about his finacial welfare i jst acre about the Knicks payroll because i want to build a long standing contender. I have said a billion times i would liek to have melo back to build around him but the least he could do is take a tad bit less to help phil build the teamStarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Well Durant and Lebron are better players than Melo and have had more success so of course they should get more. If I were Melo and i knew my playoff record was tough to look at i would take a paycut in order to get the best players i can to build around meBonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Exactly which is crazy when you think of guys like lebron durant duncan parker dirk and even noah who have had more success especially in postseasonStarksEwing1 wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Watch it will probably be 120-125 million and he will say he took less lolFrank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
which would still make him the highest paid player in the game.It's not crazy when you realize that these salaries and the amount you can make are set in stone and all depend on the years you have put in. Dirk and Duncan have had max salaries in the past. Durant hasn't put in as many years as Melo yet, but do you have any doubt that he wont get his money? If Lebron stays in Miami, he would have gotten more as well....
Oh it's *not* crazy when you look at it from Melo's perspective. But that's not my concern. I'm looking at it from the Knicks' perspective. We have to find a way to build a team that competes against teams with hall-of-famers making only around $10 mil a year (SAS) or the best player on the planet making millions less than Melo.If you want to use San An as a model, then its the whole leagues problem if they want to wrestle the trophy from them. If this is the case, Bosh is an idiot for taking the max, he should have requested 10 mil per so they can add more talent after Lebron departed. Speaking of Lebron, he's an idiot too for taking the max, he should have only taken 10 mil so they can sign Love outright next year and possibly Marc Gasol so they can compete with the Spurs.
Durant is coming up for FA's too. He's he gonna take a serious pay cut so they can add more talent to OKC?
So this would actually be your thought process? Or did you just want to take a shot at Melos playoff record for the billionth time?
You're too damn sensitive. First off, not once did I label you a "melo hater". You keep trying to play victim for some reason. Second, if you read my post instead of getting emotional, you would have seen that the point was that you keep repeating that "Melos playoff record isn't the best" when, most of the time, it was nothing to do with the conversation. That would be taking a shot.
Quality response Irish
StarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Here's my problem with everyone complaining about Melo taking a pay cut. PJax is the ultimate champion, the Zen Master, the BB genius, the President of BB Opps, the one who delves out the contracts. Obviously, PJax knows what it takes to be a champion in this league, so why would the Zen Master put a max contract on the table for Melo to sign? Either he's not the genius that everyone thinks he is, or he is a genius and knows a one max contract will not prevent him from still putting together a team that can eventually compete with a 'chip.But why do you get upset at us for wanting him to take less? We simply care about the team and dont wnat to ahve teh salary cap restrictions we have had for 15 years.
We aren't going to add 2 other superstars to the team even if Melo took less, that's just not realistic. With Calderon, Smith, Max Melo on the books we would still have cap space to go after guys like Gasol and Milsap. And just like every team that built a contender we have to draft well grooming guys from the draft. Getting production when they are on rookie deals as well as the ability to resign them even when we are over the cap.
newyorknewyork wrote:Never said i wnated to go after 2 more max players. i dotn acre about max players i just want to have a deep team who can contend for multiple yearsStarksEwing1 wrote:Uptown wrote:Here's my problem with everyone complaining about Melo taking a pay cut. PJax is the ultimate champion, the Zen Master, the BB genius, the President of BB Opps, the one who delves out the contracts. Obviously, PJax knows what it takes to be a champion in this league, so why would the Zen Master put a max contract on the table for Melo to sign? Either he's not the genius that everyone thinks he is, or he is a genius and knows a one max contract will not prevent him from still putting together a team that can eventually compete with a 'chip.But why do you get upset at us for wanting him to take less? We simply care about the team and dont wnat to ahve teh salary cap restrictions we have had for 15 years.We aren't going to add 2 other superstars to the team even if Melo took less, that's just not realistic. With Calderon, Smith, Max Melo on the books we would still have cap space to go after guys like Gasol and Milsap. And just like every team that built a contender we have to draft well grooming guys from the draft. Getting production when they are on rookie deals as well as the ability to resign them even when we are over the cap.