Knicks · Who should we spend the mini MLE on? (page 3)

I'd like to see us go after kris humphries.

Love his motor and he does the dirty work we are looking for in the paint.

Unrestricted free agent Kris Humphries is 29 years old and he's coming off a solid year in Boston -- on a per-36-minute basis, he averaged 15.1 points on 50.1 percent shooting, 10.7 rebounds, 1.8 assists and a career-best 1.6 blocks. He projects as a reserve big man on all of the teams linked to him thus far.

Humphries made a name for himself in the basketball world with his rugged play in the paint for the then rebuilding Nets four years ago. He averaged a double-double in both seasons in New Jersey, and made the move over to Brooklyn on a two year deal worth $24 million dollars. But he struggled in the first year of his deal and was later told by interim head coach P.J. Carlesimo that he'd be left out of the rotation in favor of Mirza Teletovic and Reggie Evans. He was shipped off the Boston that summer in the Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett trade.

He reinvented himself in Boston as a high-energy big man that gobbles up rebounds. He led the Celtics in rebounding rate and in player efficiency rating last season, but more surprisingly, shot a scorching 45 percent from midrange. Over 55 percent of his offense came on jump shots from that area per NBA.com's stats page, which became a major boon and a reliable safety valve for Rajon Rondo as he made his way back from an ACL tear.

What makes him so reliable throughout the years is his willingness to play both the four and the five position. He's undersized at 6'9", but he's extremely physical and does as good a job as any in carving out rebounding position. He's an underrated defender that uses his athleticism to contest shots, but you do have to hide him in pick and roll coverages by keeping him in the lane. He doesn't have the quickness to contain ball handlers and is often slow to recover.

And he is a bit of a wild card in free agency. His best years were in New Jersey for a piss-poor Nets team, and when he finally cashed in with his two-year deal, his play stumbled. Luckily for Knicks, we can get him on a reasonable deal and use him off the bench as their third big.

Kris Humphries would actually be a good pick up. The nets stopped playing him in favor of other players. Boston totally screwed him and Gerald Wallace over too. He's with 5 mil per so he's actually out of our price range unless he wanted to come here

EnySpree wrote:Kris Humphries would actually be a good pick up. The nets stopped playing him in favor of other players. Boston totally screwed him and Gerald Wallace over too. He's with 5 mil per so he's actually out of our price range unless he wanted to come here

I agree about Hump but it sounded like he was going to get more money from another team. I wonder if Phil waits to see what higher priced guy doesn't get a deal and has to take less.

Darn. I keep forgetting we only have $3 mill...maybe they'd take bargs?

babyKnicks wrote:Darn. I keep forgetting we only have $3 mill...maybe they'd take bargs?

Berman said the Knicks also have their 2,2 bi-annual exception to spend.

I'd like to see what he can do... Fills an immediate need. Plays big in paint. Great energy off the bench. Would complete our off season.

CrushAlot wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Darn. I keep forgetting we only have $3 mill...maybe they'd take bargs?

Berman said the Knicks also have their 2,2 bi-annual exception to spend.

Maybe. We have to wait for Melo's and Aldrich's contract details to be announced first. We're right up against the luxury tax apron as is and depending on the specific details of Melo's deal we might be over it. Also, if we're right up against it then using the bi-annual will put us over the apron but, you can't use the BAE if it puts you over the apron.

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Kris Humphries would actually be a good pick up. The nets stopped playing him in favor of other players. Boston totally screwed him and Gerald Wallace over too. He's with 5 mil per so he's actually out of our price range unless he wanted to come here

I agree about Hump but it sounded like he was going to get more money from another team. I wonder if Phil waits to see what higher priced guy doesn't get a deal and has to take less.

Not crazy about Hump on this team. We need more tough minded defensive players. Bargs, STAT and Hump would combine like gladiator voltron to play the worst defense ever at power forward. What are the chances Toronto re-signs Patrick Paterson? He's someone I wouldn't mind bringing in.

I say don't spend it- there's no one out there that's worth it.

EnySpree wrote:IMHO we need to evaluate Jeremy Tyler and explore adding another big to the mix of bargs, amare, cole and dalembert.

we do need a 4/3 guy with experience behind Melo...I would love to get Matt Barnes for a year or two.

I would love to get S.Marion to fill that spot but i'm sure he'll get offered more elsewhere and he's really on his last legs anyway so he's probably gonna want to go to a team that's ready to contend for championships now but he would be awesome next to Melo.

EnySpree wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:People seem to have their favorite roster arrangement. Mine is more traditional:

C - Dalembert, Aldrich
PF- Amare, Bargnani
SF- Carmelo, Cleanthony
SG- Smith, THJ, Shumpert, Ellington
PG- Calderon, Prigioni, Larkin

Something definitely has to be done at SG. Who should go?

PF and C are super thin and Tyler isn't the answer. Who could be?

This is how I see the team....

we definitely need another big and possibly more experience behind Melo.

I believe in Dalembert tho. He and Cole are a solid tandem. Knicks definitely need another big. I was hoping for that to be Jeremy Tyler. We've got to see what he does in summer league.

Thanasis needs to make the Knicks roster. I maintain that Shump needs to go to improve a spot we need help in.

J.Tyler has looked horrible in summer league so far and will probably be cut or sent to our D-League team and Thanasis aka No Chill aka Thumpo will be stashed over seas. So we will need another 4/5 and a true 3 and we should be good.

How you fill in the roster has to depend on where PhilFish hope to play certain guys, and what they think of the individuals we already have on the team.

Has Phil come out at all about Anthony's position in the lineup?

Does he see Shumpert playing at the 3?

What positions are Bargs/Amare going to get the most minutes at?

Can they see Bargs playing significant minutes at the 5?

Does Phil see Tyler as a viable rotation player 4 or 5?

Does Phil even know who Ellington is and what position he plays?

What do Phil and Fish think about Larkin... does size really matter?

How does Phil see Pablo as a PG?

Are they satisfied with Dalembert/Aldrich playing most of the center minutes?

Does Brown have anything left in him? Have seen nothing special from him in SL so far, IMO.

Based on SL so far, I don't see any guys besides those who played with us last year, or were drafted, being asked to training camp. Of course that can change is somebody unexpected has a breakout game.

I also think that the Greek is going to be allowed to play somewhere else, for seasoning, this year. He needs to be playing at least 35 MPG to grown as a player, and if he can't get those minutes overseas he has to get them in the DL.

Conclusion... except for the SG position, I can see us interested in getting some help at almost every position because I just don't know how Jackson and Fisher feel about a lot of the players we already have.

fitzfarm wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:People seem to have their favorite roster arrangement. Mine is more traditional:

C - Dalembert, Aldrich
PF- Amare, Bargnani
SF- Carmelo, Cleanthony
SG- Smith, THJ, Shumpert, Ellington
PG- Calderon, Prigioni, Larkin

Something definitely has to be done at SG. Who should go?

PF and C are super thin and Tyler isn't the answer. Who could be?

I like your line up but I think Aldrich beats out Sammy. At this stage of Sammy's career Aldrich is the better rebounder and rim protector as well as superior passing skills which is important for the triangle

Cole hasn't earned that respect yet. Dalembert has been 10pts/10rebs/2blks when playing starters minutes. Cole has never done that yet. He's just finally getting his shot with the knicks. I understand you liking coles game but you can't pretend dalembert hasn't had a solid NBA career.

Oh no I like Sammy a lot and his career is solid, I just feel he would be better suited as a back up at this point in his career. Aldrich although hasn't posted those numbers yet in his very young career he really is ready to post those numbers this year.. I see Aldrich averaging 12/12/2+ ...I believe cole actually averaged a double double the last few games last year as well as getting one covering for Tyson's flu. Aldrich is the real deal he is just finally getting a shot.. But the talent was always there being drafted 11 th overall and buried behind cousins and Thompson he never got a shot...at this point in Sammy's career Aldrich is the better rebounder and rim protector, as well as a superior passer. Look up his highlights with the j hawks cole was the best defensive center in college at the time... Also the ball is attracted to this guy

Wow i think you need to slow down on your predictions for Cole. You have him looking like an all star and he has't shown much yet. When he played last year it was mostly when games were out of reach and he was put in at the end of games against other bench players. Don't get me wrong cause i'm definitely a fan and am very happy that we resigned him and also think he'll get a lot more minute this year but lets let him prove himself against other starters before we have him averaging double doubles. I think Dally will be our starter barring a trade for a better center.

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:IMHO we need to evaluate Jeremy Tyler and explore adding another big to the mix of bargs, amare, cole and dalembert.

we do need a 4/3 guy with experience behind Melo...I would love to get Matt Barnes for a year or two.

I would love to get S.Marion to fill that spot but i'm sure he'll get offered more elsewhere and he's really on his last legs anyway so he's probably gonna want to go to a team that's ready to contend for championships now but he would be awesome next to Melo.

Dallas let Marion go???

EnySpree wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Why not Paul pierce?

After a short stay in Brooklyn, Paul Pierce is heading to the Washington Wizards.

Sources close to the process told ESPN.com on Saturday that Pierce has committed to sign a two-year, $11 million deal with the Wizards, who moved swiftly to find a title-tested replacement for Trevor Ariza after Ariza struck an agreement earlier in the day to join the Houston Rockets.

The contract, sources said, has a player option after this season that will allow Pierce, 36, to return to free agency next summer if he chooses.

Paul pierce openly says he hates the knicks. Feeling is mutual

The feeling is definitely mutual. He's the player i hate most in the entire NBA with K.Garnett a close 2nd.

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:People seem to have their favorite roster arrangement. Mine is more traditional:

C - Dalembert, Aldrich
PF- Amare, Bargnani
SF- Carmelo, Cleanthony
SG- Smith, THJ, Shumpert, Ellington
PG- Calderon, Prigioni, Larkin

Something definitely has to be done at SG. Who should go?

PF and C are super thin and Tyler isn't the answer. Who could be?

This is how I see the team....

we definitely need another big and possibly more experience behind Melo.

I believe in Dalembert tho. He and Cole are a solid tandem. Knicks definitely need another big. I was hoping for that to be Jeremy Tyler. We've got to see what he does in summer league.

Thanasis needs to make the Knicks roster. I maintain that Shump needs to go to improve a spot we need help in.

J.Tyler has looked horrible in summer league so far and will probably be cut or sent to our D-League team and Thanasis aka No Chill aka Thumpo will be stashed over seas. So we will need another 4/5 and a true 3 and we should be good.

We have Cleanthony, JR and Shump throw at the 3 behind Melo. I'm not interested in anothe wing unless it's an obvious upgrade. But I agree, another 4 would be a nice addition.

newyorker4ever wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:People seem to have their favorite roster arrangement. Mine is more traditional:

C - Dalembert, Aldrich
PF- Amare, Bargnani
SF- Carmelo, Cleanthony
SG- Smith, THJ, Shumpert, Ellington
PG- Calderon, Prigioni, Larkin

Something definitely has to be done at SG. Who should go?

PF and C are super thin and Tyler isn't the answer. Who could be?

I like your line up but I think Aldrich beats out Sammy. At this stage of Sammy's career Aldrich is the better rebounder and rim protector as well as superior passing skills which is important for the triangle

Cole hasn't earned that respect yet. Dalembert has been 10pts/10rebs/2blks when playing starters minutes. Cole has never done that yet. He's just finally getting his shot with the knicks. I understand you liking coles game but you can't pretend dalembert hasn't had a solid NBA career.

Oh no I like Sammy a lot and his career is solid, I just feel he would be better suited as a back up at this point in his career. Aldrich although hasn't posted those numbers yet in his very young career he really is ready to post those numbers this year.. I see Aldrich averaging 12/12/2+ ...I believe cole actually averaged a double double the last few games last year as well as getting one covering for Tyson's flu. Aldrich is the real deal he is just finally getting a shot.. But the talent was always there being drafted 11 th overall and buried behind cousins and Thompson he never got a shot...at this point in Sammy's career Aldrich is the better rebounder and rim protector, as well as a superior passer. Look up his highlights with the j hawks cole was the best defensive center in college at the time... Also the ball is attracted to this guy

Wow i think you need to slow down on your predictions for Cole. You have him looking like an all star and he has't shown much yet. When he played last year it was mostly when games were out of reach and he was put in at the end of games against other bench players. Don't get me wrong cause i'm definitely a fan and am very happy that we resigned him and also think he'll get a lot more minute this year but lets let him prove himself against other starters before we have him averaging double doubles. I think Dally will be our starter barring a trade for a better center.

Yea I know I'm pushing it. I'm just really high on this kid he looks like he is going to break out and be the center he was in college .. He looked pretty beastly at the end of last year and it looks like it's carried over into the SL he looked like a man vs boys in that first game.

I'd like Kris Humphries, but I'd agree about waiting before we use any of these slots.

Also, I could see Sammy being cut before the season starts.

fitzfarm wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:People seem to have their favorite roster arrangement. Mine is more traditional:

C - Dalembert, Aldrich
PF- Amare, Bargnani
SF- Carmelo, Cleanthony
SG- Smith, THJ, Shumpert, Ellington
PG- Calderon, Prigioni, Larkin

Something definitely has to be done at SG. Who should go?

PF and C are super thin and Tyler isn't the answer. Who could be?

I like your line up but I think Aldrich beats out Sammy. At this stage of Sammy's career Aldrich is the better rebounder and rim protector as well as superior passing skills which is important for the triangle

Cole hasn't earned that respect yet. Dalembert has been 10pts/10rebs/2blks when playing starters minutes. Cole has never done that yet. He's just finally getting his shot with the knicks. I understand you liking coles game but you can't pretend dalembert hasn't had a solid NBA career.

Oh no I like Sammy a lot and his career is solid, I just feel he would be better suited as a back up at this point in his career. Aldrich although hasn't posted those numbers yet in his very young career he really is ready to post those numbers this year.. I see Aldrich averaging 12/12/2+ ...I believe cole actually averaged a double double the last few games last year as well as getting one covering for Tyson's flu. Aldrich is the real deal he is just finally getting a shot.. But the talent was always there being drafted 11 th overall and buried behind cousins and Thompson he never got a shot...at this point in Sammy's career Aldrich is the better rebounder and rim protector, as well as a superior passer. Look up his highlights with the j hawks cole was the best defensive center in college at the time... Also the ball is attracted to this guy

Wow i think you need to slow down on your predictions for Cole. You have him looking like an all star and he has't shown much yet. When he played last year it was mostly when games were out of reach and he was put in at the end of games against other bench players. Don't get me wrong cause i'm definitely a fan and am very happy that we resigned him and also think he'll get a lot more minute this year but lets let him prove himself against other starters before we have him averaging double doubles. I think Dally will be our starter barring a trade for a better center.

Yea I know I'm pushing it. I'm just really high on this kid he looks like he is going to break out and be the center he was in college .. He looked pretty beastly at the end of last year and it looks like it's carried over into the SL he looked like a man vs boys in that first game.

I like Cole but he has a long way to go before he is a proven/reliable rotation plsyer. he showed some flashes last yera and he looks great in teh summer league but he needs to do it in the big stage consistenly

BigDaddyG wrote:Dejuan Blair is available. Patrick Patterson, Anthony Tolliver and DJ white.

Agree on Blair, also Marion, Blatche, Ed Davis, and Okafor