Knicks · Props to Melo (page 2)

StarksEwing1 wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

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SJUknicksfan wrote:So basically any time a player resigns with his team, after being actively pursued by tons of teams for a lot of money, they should get no credit from that teams fan base because clearly they are just selfish and all about the money.

Or...wait, does this only apply to Knicks fans and Melo?

Because, you guys realize it is purposely set up so that the team that is re-signing him has the luxury of offering the most money?

Also, it's being reported he gave the Knicks a discount in 2015, the year we have cap space, why would he do that if he could have had the max?

I think people are being fair with melo. they simply dont want to kiss his ass and nor should they have to. if he did what Tim Duncan did or even lebron/bosh/wade did in 2010 then i would be more flattering.

Tim Duncan is at the end of his rope. Melo is in his Prime. There's a difference there. As I already said, The LeBron/Wade/Bosh thing was BS and to be honest, I think they all are kind of glad it's over with the paycuts and as you can see, Bosh was not so quick to give the Heat another discount, instead made them severely overpay.

Hey you are absolutey right. I mean those guys have multiple rings/mvps but that doenst hold a candle to melos...first rounds exits. Look i respect you are a big melo fans which is fine but just be honest he took the most money, nothing wrong with that

Nowhere did I say Melo's resume stacked up with theirs. I can just admit we should be thanking Melo for staying and buying in to Phil's plan. If he did not, we'd be laughingstocks next season, and it would make the rebuilding job harder. Instead, all us fans do is bash him because he took the contract we offered, which included a paycut.

Nobody is bashing the guy so that crap has to stop. I just think you are overreacting his his "generosity", Im just being honest. If he took less money and Phil can work around that than its great but no need to kiss his butt. I mean he is still making more money on the Knicks than anywhere else. So in closing he did teh right thing but no need to build him a statue

What do you mean no one is bashing him? The first 5 responses on the "Props to Melo" thread are sarcastic jabs. I'm not kissing his butt, just looking at the situation realistically. He could have left, but chose to stay and stick it out. Props. That literally all I'm saying. No one is saying build a statue. Just, "Props to Melo," as the thread suggests.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Phil Jackson said he took less and did exactly what they asked him to. Smells like a spin to Melo simply taking a lil' less than max, but we'll see tomorrow when we learn the final number.

Exactly. I dont have a problem with teh signing just be honest. He took less tahn 129 million but that doenst mean he did some noble thing it ounds like he is still making 120 million which is more than he made previous

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Phil Jackson said he took less and did exactly what they asked him to. Smells like a spin to Melo simply taking a lil' less than max, but we'll see tomorrow when we learn the final number.

Exactly. I dont have a problem with teh signing just be honest. He took less tahn 129 million but that doenst mean he did some noble thing it ounds like he is still making 120 million which is more than he made previous

In what way are Phil's words an indication of a spin? I agree with Knicksfan saying to wait and learn the final number but it seems like people are just taking their already negative opinion of Melo and running with it.

You can play around with the amount he gets for 2015, but it still gives us limited financial flexibility, and it would mean that the other years are basically at the max amount.

Have to go back to how we originally got him. You know... the contract and trade he squeezed out of us. We had to pay a lot of money to sign him, give up many assets, and then watch as he decided to opt out of the final year (telling us before the season), and get wined and dined by other suitors- squeezing us for a five year deal and limiting the assets we could bring to the Knicks in the future. It also sounds like he wants a no-trade deal, which limits our future flexibility even more.

Folks seem to look at this contract without even thinking of how we got him. Gave up a lot of stuff to get him the last time...potentially keeping us from a getting lot of stuff the next 5 years.

Melo has played hard (for the most part), and improved his long range shot to an extent, but he has also morphed from a SF to a PF, unless he can lost about 25 lbs., and this hurts our interior D because he is only a marginal help defender, and adds no length or shot blocking ability to the team at the PF position.

Just don't feel I can give him any "props" at this time. Maybe someday, but not now.

WaltLongmire wrote:For all intents and purposes he got a max deal. His average yearly contract is about $1.4M less than a full max contract. He took 95% of what he could have received, when the total is rounded up.

You can play around with the amount he gets for 2015, but it still gives us limited financial flexibility, and it would mean that the other years are basically at the max amount.

Have to go back to how we originally got him. You know... the contract and trade he squeezed out of us. We had to pay a lot of money to sign him, give up many assets, and then watch as he decided to opt out of the final year (telling us before the season), and get wined and dined by other suitors- squeezing us for a five year deal and limiting the assets we could bring to the Knicks in the future. It also sounds like he wants a no-trade deal, which limits our future flexibility even more.

Folks seem to look at this contract without even thinking of how we got him. Gave up a lot of stuff to get him the last time...potentially keeping us from a getting lot of stuff the next 5 years.

Melo has played hard (for the most part), and improved his long range shot to an extent, but he has also morphed from a SF to a PF, unless he can lost about 25 lbs., and this hurts our interior D because he is only a marginal help defender, and adds no length or shot blocking ability to the team at the PF position.

Just don't feel I can give him any "props" at this time. Maybe someday, but not now.

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TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Phil Jackson said he took less and did exactly what they asked him to. Smells like a spin to Melo simply taking a lil' less than max, but we'll see tomorrow when we learn the final number.

Exactly. I dont have a problem with teh signing just be honest. He took less tahn 129 million but that doenst mean he did some noble thing it ounds like he is still making 120 million which is more than he made previous

In what way are Phil's words an indication of a spin? I agree with Knicksfan saying to wait and learn the final number but it seems like people are just taking their already negative opinion of Melo and running with it.

I wanted the guy back but i stay neutral. I dont have a probelm with the contract but i would ahve given him major props if he took 100-110 million or soemthing like that. It would have been fair and would have shown big sacrifice. Im not saying he didnt sacrifice thsi time BUT i dont think he warrants major props

Didn't answer the question.

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Phil Jackson said he took less and did exactly what they asked him to. Smells like a spin to Melo simply taking a lil' less than max, but we'll see tomorrow when we learn the final number.

Exactly. I dont have a problem with teh signing just be honest. He took less tahn 129 million but that doenst mean he did some noble thing it ounds like he is still making 120 million which is more than he made previous

In what way are Phil's words an indication of a spin? I agree with Knicksfan saying to wait and learn the final number but it seems like people are just taking their already negative opinion of Melo and running with it.

I wanted the guy back but i stay neutral. I dont have a probelm with the contract but i would ahve given him major props if he took 100-110 million or soemthing like that. It would have been fair and would have shown big sacrifice. Im not saying he didnt sacrifice thsi time BUT i dont think he warrants major props

Didn't answer the question.

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TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Phil Jackson said he took less and did exactly what they asked him to. Smells like a spin to Melo simply taking a lil' less than max, but we'll see tomorrow when we learn the final number.

Exactly. I dont have a problem with teh signing just be honest. He took less tahn 129 million but that doenst mean he did some noble thing it ounds like he is still making 120 million which is more than he made previous

In what way are Phil's words an indication of a spin? I agree with Knicksfan saying to wait and learn the final number but it seems like people are just taking their already negative opinion of Melo and running with it.

I wanted the guy back but i stay neutral. I dont have a probelm with the contract but i would ahve given him major props if he took 100-110 million or soemthing like that. It would have been fair and would have shown big sacrifice. Im not saying he didnt sacrifice thsi time BUT i dont think he warrants major props

Didn't answer the question.

I didnt know you were asking me a question. I was referring to Phil's comment. Phil said he did what he asked him to do. If thats the case then...cool

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Phil Jackson said he took less and did exactly what they asked him to. Smells like a spin to Melo simply taking a lil' less than max, but we'll see tomorrow when we learn the final number.

Exactly. I dont have a problem with teh signing just be honest. He took less tahn 129 million but that doenst mean he did some noble thing it ounds like he is still making 120 million which is more than he made previous

In what way are Phil's words an indication of a spin? I agree with Knicksfan saying to wait and learn the final number but it seems like people are just taking their already negative opinion of Melo and running with it.

I wanted the guy back but i stay neutral. I dont have a probelm with the contract but i would ahve given him major props if he took 100-110 million or soemthing like that. It would have been fair and would have shown big sacrifice. Im not saying he didnt sacrifice thsi time BUT i dont think he warrants major props

Didn't answer the question.

I didnt know you were asking me a question. I was referring to Phil's comment. Phil said he did what he asked him to do. If thats the case then...cool

Yeah I saw that you were referring to his comment. You agreed with knicksfan that I'd seemed like a spin. I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:So basically any time a player resigns with his team, after being actively pursued by tons of teams for a lot of money, they should get no credit from that teams fan base because clearly they are just selfish and all about the money.

Or...wait, does this only apply to Knicks fans and Melo?

Because, you guys realize it is purposely set up so that the team that is re-signing him has the luxury of offering the most money?

Also, it's being reported he gave the Knicks a discount in 2015, the year we have cap space, why would he do that if he could have had the max?

I think people are being fair with melo. they simply dont want to kiss his ass and nor should they have to. if he did what Tim Duncan did or even lebron/bosh/wade did in 2010 then i would be more flattering.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Phil Jackson said he took less and did exactly what they asked him to. Smells like a spin to Melo simply taking a lil' less than max, but we'll see tomorrow when we learn the final number.

Exactly. I dont have a problem with teh signing just be honest. He took less tahn 129 million but that doenst mean he did some noble thing it ounds like he is still making 120 million which is more than he made previous

In what way are Phil's words an indication of a spin? I agree with Knicksfan saying to wait and learn the final number but it seems like people are just taking their already negative opinion of Melo and running with it.

I wanted the guy back but i stay neutral. I dont have a probelm with the contract but i would ahve given him major props if he took 100-110 million or soemthing like that. It would have been fair and would have shown big sacrifice. Im not saying he didnt sacrifice thsi time BUT i dont think he warrants major props

Didn't answer the question.

I didnt know you were asking me a question. I was referring to Phil's comment. Phil said he did what he asked him to do. If thats the case then...cool

Yeah I saw that you were referring to his comment. You agreed with knicksfan that I'd seemed like a spin. I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion.

I only agreed with what he posted about Phil and how phil said melo did what he asked. Sorry man i have been running back and forth taking care of my son so i typed too fast and didnt clarify. I menat if Melo did what phila sked then its good. I forgive you for the subtle shot

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TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Phil Jackson said he took less and did exactly what they asked him to. Smells like a spin to Melo simply taking a lil' less than max, but we'll see tomorrow when we learn the final number.

Exactly. I dont have a problem with teh signing just be honest. He took less tahn 129 million but that doenst mean he did some noble thing it ounds like he is still making 120 million which is more than he made previous

In what way are Phil's words an indication of a spin? I agree with Knicksfan saying to wait and learn the final number but it seems like people are just taking their already negative opinion of Melo and running with it.

I wanted the guy back but i stay neutral. I dont have a probelm with the contract but i would ahve given him major props if he took 100-110 million or soemthing like that. It would have been fair and would have shown big sacrifice. Im not saying he didnt sacrifice thsi time BUT i dont think he warrants major props

Didn't answer the question.

I didnt know you were asking me a question. I was referring to Phil's comment. Phil said he did what he asked him to do. If thats the case then...cool

Yeah I saw that you were referring to his comment. You agreed with knicksfan that I'd seemed like a spin. I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion.

I only agreed with what he posted about Phil and how phil said melo did what he asked. Sorry man i have been running back and forth taking care of my son so i typed too fast and didnt clarify. I menat if Melo did what phila sked then its good. I forgive you for the subtle shot

Nothing subtle about it but nice try.

SJUknicksfan wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Props for taking 20 million more than anybody else could offer? I guess....

Carmelo took what he is worth as a player. It's unfair to expect players to pull a LeBron/Wade/Bosh and take less than they are worth. That was complete BS when it happened 4 years ago, and likely will not become the norm.

Carmelo easily could have left and gone to a much better team, but chose to stay a Knick. It was not completely about money as the Bulls and Lakers offered him very hefty contracts as well. The Knicks were in a position to offer him more and they did. But he clearly wants to play for the Knicks and deserves credit and respect from Knicks fans for that decision.

Chris Bosh just signed a $118M deal for crying out loud.

Chris Bosh saying '118$ million F'..ing LBJ to Cleveland dollars 5yr deal! that's what I'm Bleeping talking bout!

I'm the Man of Miami now!

Vmart wrote:He sacrificed nothing. Next year the Knicks will be a 50+ win team. The correction needed were addressed. Now can Phil improve in it that is the question.

How this team will get 50 wins?... come on...
This is the same team with Felon replaced with better option and Tyson with worth...
A couple of nice young players and new coach, completely new system...
This will take some time, hopefully 1 year, to get it going.
And then Zen will hopefully get us some real help.
Melo will need to suck it up for at least another season.
No doubt he get paid for this but still... this is risky business for him if winning is a concern.
The ideal outcome is to tank it and get highest possible lottery pick but for this Melo should simulate really serious injury...
Seriously every year Knicks fans are getting too exited just to get blasted with reality later.

SJUknicksfan wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Props for taking 20 million more than anybody else could offer? I guess....

Carmelo took what he is worth as a player. It's unfair to expect players to pull a LeBron/Wade/Bosh and take less than they are worth. That was complete BS when it happened 4 years ago, and likely will not become the norm.

Carmelo easily could have left and gone to a much better team, but chose to stay a Knick. It was not completely about money as the Bulls and Lakers offered him very hefty contracts as well. The Knicks were in a position to offer him more and they did. But he clearly wants to play for the Knicks and deserves credit and respect from Knicks fans for that decision.

Thats a pretty nice endorsement. Are you getting a cut from melo Just kidding

LOL

I just think it would have been very easy for him to go to the Bulls and say "screw it" to Phil and Fisher's rebuilding attempt. He wants a championship. Instead, he decided to buy in and stick it out in NY, knowing full well we will not compete next year for a title.

The bulls were never a player so long as they would not amnesty boozer. Melos all about the paper and 16 mil a year never would have got it done

Dagger wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Props for taking 20 million more than anybody else could offer? I guess....

Carmelo took what he is worth as a player. It's unfair to expect players to pull a LeBron/Wade/Bosh and take less than they are worth. That was complete BS when it happened 4 years ago, and likely will not become the norm.

Carmelo easily could have left and gone to a much better team, but chose to stay a Knick. It was not completely about money as the Bulls and Lakers offered him very hefty contracts as well. The Knicks were in a position to offer him more and they did. But he clearly wants to play for the Knicks and deserves credit and respect from Knicks fans for that decision.

Thats a pretty nice endorsement. Are you getting a cut from melo Just kidding

LOL

I just think it would have been very easy for him to go to the Bulls and say "screw it" to Phil and Fisher's rebuilding attempt. He wants a championship. Instead, he decided to buy in and stick it out in NY, knowing full well we will not compete next year for a title.

The bulls were never a player so long as they would not amnesty boozer. Melos all about the paper and 16 mil a year never would have got it done

you becoming a hater?

mreinman wrote:

Dagger wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Props for taking 20 million more than anybody else could offer? I guess....

Carmelo took what he is worth as a player. It's unfair to expect players to pull a LeBron/Wade/Bosh and take less than they are worth. That was complete BS when it happened 4 years ago, and likely will not become the norm.

Carmelo easily could have left and gone to a much better team, but chose to stay a Knick. It was not completely about money as the Bulls and Lakers offered him very hefty contracts as well. The Knicks were in a position to offer him more and they did. But he clearly wants to play for the Knicks and deserves credit and respect from Knicks fans for that decision.

Thats a pretty nice endorsement. Are you getting a cut from melo Just kidding

LOL

I just think it would have been very easy for him to go to the Bulls and say "screw it" to Phil and Fisher's rebuilding attempt. He wants a championship. Instead, he decided to buy in and stick it out in NY, knowing full well we will not compete next year for a title.

The bulls were never a player so long as they would not amnesty boozer. Melos all about the paper and 16 mil a year never would have got it done

you becoming a hater?

Nah, having him back is better than him walking. I'm not that truly that upset about the price because Phil seems to me the type to take everything into consideration before acting. We cannot know all the factors in play that lead to this signing because we were not all talking on the phones with other GMs, having fancy private dinners with Melo, talking down Melo's agent etc...

All I'm saying is that it does not seem to me, the casual, uninformed observer that the bulls were a threat so long as their owner refused to pay the amnesty. The Bulls may very well have been lining up a situation in which they free up cap space, and maybe Phil acted based on this or other knowledge we are not aware of. Perhaps Melo is truly a fool and would have chosen to play for the Lakers, and Phil acted swiftly before Melo could leave us high and dry. I'm happy we still have the most talented player on the roster and that he gave us that "wiggle room" in 2015. Granted, I remain worried about his shoulders, but being realistic this was a satisfactory outcome, not the tragedy our local drama queens make it out to be.

Six Million. That's a lot of money.

I don't care how much more money he has and how much more money he has coming to him, six million dollars is nothing to take for granted.

Props to Melo.

anrst wrote:Melo gave up 6 million bucks

Six Million. That's a lot of money.

I don't care how much more money he has and how much more money he has coming to him, six million dollars is nothing to take for granted.

Props to Melo.

$6M is a lot of money for the vast majority of people. For Melo, it's only 4% of his current contract.

if your boss tells you he's gonna give you a 4.6% pay cut or a 4.6% pay raise, would you shrug that off?