Knicks · Melo's Contract[5yrs $124mil ETO on 5th] (page 4)

meloshouldgo @ 7/16/2014 6:35 AM
arkrud wrote:If Melo will change his game and will start working in a system in team concept making other players of the team better nobody cares about this numbers, but if not and he will be same iso-ball volume shooter he was all his NBA stint then we will have a big unresolvable problem. Same true if he will break down early as Huston and Stat...
This is gamble... but hey somebody wins the lottery... may be we are due?

Yes those are pretty much thoughts too. Eberly I don't believe in winning the lottery by taking a gamble on high risk low rated moves is a good strategy. Just look at Houston, Curry, Amare...
All it does is set is further and further back.

meloshouldgo @ 7/16/2014 6:38 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Read this:


One thing I mentioned at the very beginning of this piece is that a larger pay cut might not have changed much for the Knicks. To illustrate that point, we can also take a look at how some commonly suggested pay cuts would have affected the cap sheet. First, the widely requested 5-year, $115 million contract where Melo takes a 7.5% pay decrease in year 2.

Decrease in Year 2

Year_____Amount__________________Raise
2015_____$22,458,401.70__________5.0%
2016_____$20,774,021.57_________-7.5%
2017_____$22,458,401.70__________7.5%
2018_____$24,142,781.83__________7.5%
2019_____$25,827,161.96__________7.5%
Total____$115,660,768.76

Just as with the contract Melo actually took, the foregoing of a maximum increase in 2015-16 leads to less money in each subsequent year. This is what the cap sheet would've looked like:

Renouncing every cap hold for 2015-16 would give the Knicks more than $20 million in space; waiving Pablo would push that number close to $22 million. If New York were to use $19.95 million of that space on Marc Gasol, they would have about $2 million left over. The BAE is projected to be $2.14 million in 2015-16, which means the Knicks would effectively be working with a bit less than the BAE after signing Gasol. The Room Exception is projected at $2.81 million for 2015-16, so the extra $2 million means almost nothing. This contract would also only give the Knicks $3.5 million extra in cap space for 2016-17; that's basically the mini-MLE.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2014/7...


So basically Melo would have needed to take a 5yr/$85-95M contract to make a impact to get one max and one $10M+ player. A $30-40M paycut is not that bad though as a 30 yr old.

Yes he would have been valuable to us at that range. But the deal is done and we are sick with this crap for another 5 years now.

Bonn1997 @ 7/16/2014 6:42 AM
Knicksfan wrote:Read this:


One thing I mentioned at the very beginning of this piece is that a larger pay cut might not have changed much for the Knicks. To illustrate that point, we can also take a look at how some commonly suggested pay cuts would have affected the cap sheet. First, the widely requested 5-year, $115 million contract where Melo takes a 7.5% pay decrease in year 2.

Decrease in Year 2

Year_____Amount__________________Raise
2015_____$22,458,401.70__________5.0%
2016_____$20,774,021.57_________-7.5%
2017_____$22,458,401.70__________7.5%
2018_____$24,142,781.83__________7.5%
2019_____$25,827,161.96__________7.5%
Total____$115,660,768.76

Just as with the contract Melo actually took, the foregoing of a maximum increase in 2015-16 leads to less money in each subsequent year. This is what the cap sheet would've looked like:

Renouncing every cap hold for 2015-16 would give the Knicks more than $20 million in space; waiving Pablo would push that number close to $22 million. If New York were to use $19.95 million of that space on Marc Gasol, they would have about $2 million left over. The BAE is projected to be $2.14 million in 2015-16, which means the Knicks would effectively be working with a bit less than the BAE after signing Gasol. The Room Exception is projected at $2.81 million for 2015-16, so the extra $2 million means almost nothing. This contract would also only give the Knicks $3.5 million extra in cap space for 2016-17; that's basically the mini-MLE.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2014/7...


This article is only relevant to people who think his value to the team is near $124 but maybe slightly less. $115? You're still talking about him being the 2nd highest paid player in the world.
CrushAlot @ 7/16/2014 6:46 AM
Is Joe Johnson the highest paid player in the league for the next two years? Amare might have him beat for next year.
gunsnewing @ 7/16/2014 6:51 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me

Bonn1997 @ 7/16/2014 6:55 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Is Joe Johnson the highest paid player in the league for the next two years? Amare might have him beat for next year.

Sorry, my comment was a little ambiguous. I meant total size of the contract, since that indicates the total risk the team is taking.
Anji @ 7/16/2014 7:04 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me


You hat his guts for cap space lower than the lower level trade exception??? That is beyond irrational...
gunsnewing @ 7/16/2014 7:23 AM
Anji wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me


You hat his guts for cap space lower than the lower level trade exception??? That is beyond irrational...

Huh?

I said I expected a no trade Claus. I'm more down on the amount. He could've taken less especially in 2015/16. I don't even think he is worth $115m but at least it would have given us option to signify you improve.

Anji @ 7/16/2014 8:37 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Anji wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me


You hat his guts for cap space lower than the lower level trade exception??? That is beyond irrational...

Huh?

I said I expected a no trade Claus. I'm more down on the amount. He could've taken less especially in 2015/16. I don't even think he is worth $115m but at least it would have given us option to signify you improve.


I'm breaking down your assumption of your options you think the knicks would have. You may have missed it, but knicksfan posted an article of how much money the knicks would have in extra moneny if melo cut 15 million dollars out of his contract. AROUND 2 MILLION DOLLARS.

So, in essence, you hate his guts for 2 million dollars. To make you feel good, Melo should have forgone 15 million dollars, when the knicks get a 2 million dollar exception anyway???

That's just being a dick, and you do reserve that......

foosballnick @ 7/16/2014 8:38 AM
Assuming that this rumored contract is true, it doesn't seem ideal for the Knicks & I'm not enamored with it. However, the Melo Contract trolling / combined with the sky is falling mentality of some on this board at every new Melo contract rumor is laughable.
fishmike @ 7/16/2014 8:47 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Anji wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me


You hat his guts for cap space lower than the lower level trade exception??? That is beyond irrational...

Huh?

I said I expected a no trade Claus. I'm more down on the amount. He could've taken less especially in 2015/16. I don't even think he is worth $115m but at least it would have given us option to signify you improve.

how in gods name does a fan decide to hate a player or embrace him based on a 6%-9% differential of salary or a no trade clause? Seriously... guns... really? Here's a suggestion. Watch the games when the season starts. If the Knicks and Melo stink go hate him. If he plays well and the Knicks are winning games... well you can figure out the rest.
fishmike @ 7/16/2014 8:49 AM
foosballnick wrote:Assuming that this rumored contract is true, it doesn't seem ideal for the Knicks & I'm not enamored with it. However, the Melo Contract trolling / combined with the sky is falling mentality of some on this board at every new Melo contract rumor is laughable.
exactly. The CBA is literally set up so teams end up overpaying to keep their own talent. This is the NBA, the sportsworld, bla bla bla

People go nuts. I guess life is good!

Knicksfan @ 7/16/2014 8:50 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Read this:


One thing I mentioned at the very beginning of this piece is that a larger pay cut might not have changed much for the Knicks. To illustrate that point, we can also take a look at how some commonly suggested pay cuts would have affected the cap sheet. First, the widely requested 5-year, $115 million contract where Melo takes a 7.5% pay decrease in year 2.

Decrease in Year 2

Year_____Amount__________________Raise
2015_____$22,458,401.70__________5.0%
2016_____$20,774,021.57_________-7.5%
2017_____$22,458,401.70__________7.5%
2018_____$24,142,781.83__________7.5%
2019_____$25,827,161.96__________7.5%
Total____$115,660,768.76

Just as with the contract Melo actually took, the foregoing of a maximum increase in 2015-16 leads to less money in each subsequent year. This is what the cap sheet would've looked like:

Renouncing every cap hold for 2015-16 would give the Knicks more than $20 million in space; waiving Pablo would push that number close to $22 million. If New York were to use $19.95 million of that space on Marc Gasol, they would have about $2 million left over. The BAE is projected to be $2.14 million in 2015-16, which means the Knicks would effectively be working with a bit less than the BAE after signing Gasol. The Room Exception is projected at $2.81 million for 2015-16, so the extra $2 million means almost nothing. This contract would also only give the Knicks $3.5 million extra in cap space for 2016-17; that's basically the mini-MLE.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2014/7...


This article is only relevant to people who think his value to the team is near $124 but maybe slightly less. $115? You're still talking about him being the 2nd highest paid player in the world.

Outrageous!!!

Really?? The whole point of criticizing Melo has been because he isnt looking to win and all he wants is his money. Now that its shown that the discount most people felt more comfortable with wasn't gonna help us much different from his actual deal, the argument is simply that he is the most paid player?

Does that really matter bottom-line? This isn't about LeBron, Bosh, Dirk or anybody else. Think they are all better that the maleficent Melo? Good for you! Keep the hate flowing.

But the point remains to turn the Knicks in a winning team and Phil seems to be confident on doing this with that Melo contract, which again isn't that much of a different help than him taking the 115M deal.

People arguing about Melo taking 30M-40M less are delusional because that would've been a worse contract than the ones available in Chicago, Houston and Los Angeles. Again, LeBron took the highest Max available and is set to make waaay more in 2 years. Bosh took the max. Dirk didn't, he took a big discount, but to compare Dirk on his way out of the league to Melo in his prime is unfair.

gunsnewing @ 7/16/2014 8:59 AM
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Anji wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me


You hat his guts for cap space lower than the lower level trade exception??? That is beyond irrational...

Huh?

I said I expected a no trade Claus. I'm more down on the amount. He could've taken less especially in 2015/16. I don't even think he is worth $115m but at least it would have given us option to signify you improve.

how in gods name does a fan decide to hate a player or embrace him based on a 6%-9% differential of salary or a no trade clause? Seriously... guns... really? Here's a suggestion. Watch the games when the season starts. If the Knicks and Melo stink go hate him. If he plays well and the Knicks are winning games... well you can figure out the rest.

My patience is really thin. Thinner by the day

Knicksfan @ 7/16/2014 9:01 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me

So that is just your personal pleasure, right? Melo at that price would make you sleep sound at night, even if that contract doesn't help NY any more than his new one does? Is it to say we have Melo at a lower amount than Bosh, so we beat Riley? Or that he is as amazing as hero Lebron, who is getting his max and will in 2 years make more?

Im just trying to focus on the main issue: Melo helping NY win soon. His contract does allow us a max contract next season. He could've taken the whole 129M as it may have been an alternative Phil put. Maybe it wasn't and he just took the most available, but the bottom line will always be: cN the Knicks build a contender after this deal?

We can. Phil seems to keep improving that idea. We are still on the right track.

So why hate Melo now? Simply because he took the closest to the max, even if his contract does help the team the way Phil needed?

fishmike @ 7/16/2014 9:32 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Anji wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me


You hat his guts for cap space lower than the lower level trade exception??? That is beyond irrational...

Huh?

I said I expected a no trade Claus. I'm more down on the amount. He could've taken less especially in 2015/16. I don't even think he is worth $115m but at least it would have given us option to signify you improve.

how in gods name does a fan decide to hate a player or embrace him based on a 6%-9% differential of salary or a no trade clause? Seriously... guns... really? Here's a suggestion. Watch the games when the season starts. If the Knicks and Melo stink go hate him. If he plays well and the Knicks are winning games... well you can figure out the rest.

My patience is really thin. Thinner by the day

coming from a guy willing to tank, stink and draft? Guns... its a looooong offseason mate. It just started. Have a cup of joe, sit back and let Phil build something. You gotta pay the scorer. Phil can manage this. The days of Isiah cuddling with his neighbor Marbury are a thing of the past, despite how many times tfk tells you otherwise.
yellowboy90 @ 7/16/2014 9:45 AM
Knicksfan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me

So that is just your personal pleasure, right? Melo at that price would make you sleep sound at night, even if that contract doesn't help NY any more than his new one does? Is it to say we have Melo at a lower amount than Bosh, so we beat Riley? Or that he is as amazing as hero Lebron, who is getting his max and will in 2 years make more?

Im just trying to focus on the main issue: Melo helping NY win soon. His contract does allow us a max contract next season. He could've taken the whole 129M as it may have been an alternative Phil put. Maybe it wasn't and he just took the most available, but the bottom line will always be: cN the Knicks build a contender after this deal?

We can. Phil seems to keep improving that idea. We are still on the right track.

So why hate Melo now? Simply because he took the closest to the max, even if his contract does help the team the way Phil needed?

According to Nate Silver's article the Knicks paid Melo around what he is worth($122M). I mentioned earlier that in an ESPN Insider article Bradford Doolittle projected his worth to be around $130M over the next 5 yrs.


One of Silver's issues is that you can't pay players their value they need to play above their salary value or be signed at a price less than their actual worth.

Knicksfan @ 7/16/2014 9:50 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Knicks22 wrote:
Houston, Amare, and now this one. Contracts that will cripple the franchise for years....

Seriously?

It is 2M more than the rumored deal and now we are doomed?

no trade and an ETO?

Can some of you just say "damn that sucks"?

You can say that and still think he is a top player.

Why would you think those things would not be in his contract? Why would any player who was offered that much money not have a no trade clause or an ETO? He only looked at a few teams in FA for a reason so to think that he would sign a contract that would allow a team to ship him to Utah, Sac, or etc would be reaching.

Now if you want to talk about the extra 2m then yes that is disappointing. I was still hoping for a deal under 120m but is it crippling I don't think so.

Exactly did does not surprise me one but why would Melo leave the door open for Phil to trade him. The $124 is the number that should be lower if he really wants to win. He took $5m less than max over 5yrs! Wow what a shitty tipper!!!

Should have taken $110-115. $14mil less than max. His right to take whatever he wanted since he had us by the balls. My right to continue to hate his guts.

Notice yesterday I said my right to remain skeptical of his will to win and character. As of today I hate his guts.

The countdown to 5yrs has begun for me

So that is just your personal pleasure, right? Melo at that price would make you sleep sound at night, even if that contract doesn't help NY any more than his new one does? Is it to say we have Melo at a lower amount than Bosh, so we beat Riley? Or that he is as amazing as hero Lebron, who is getting his max and will in 2 years make more?

Im just trying to focus on the main issue: Melo helping NY win soon. His contract does allow us a max contract next season. He could've taken the whole 129M as it may have been an alternative Phil put. Maybe it wasn't and he just took the most available, but the bottom line will always be: cN the Knicks build a contender after this deal?

We can. Phil seems to keep improving that idea. We are still on the right track.

So why hate Melo now? Simply because he took the closest to the max, even if his contract does help the team the way Phil needed?

According to Nate Silver's article the Knicks paid Melo around what he is worth($122M). I mentioned earlier that in an ESPN Insider article Bradford Doolittle projected his worth to be around $130M over the next 5 yrs.


One of Silver's issues is that you can't pay players their value they need to play above their salary value or be signed at a price less than their actual worth.

Makes sense, but then again, the NBA in general doesn't make sense regarding salaries.

smackeddog @ 7/16/2014 9:54 AM
As I said on another thread- remember the CBA is up for renewal in 2017, so likely/hopefully they will give every team an amnesty option again.

The no trade clause is irrelevant because if we suck Melo will want to be traded after the 2015 offseason (if we luck out on FA signings) and after 2016 he becomes untradeable anyways(or at least you'd have to surrender picks).

JamesLin @ 7/16/2014 11:55 AM
I don't know why so much talk about this.. it's simply a Jimmy Dol contract, just like what H20 and Amar'e got. We have enough in 2015 to get another star hopefully and that's about it. Guess Phil is gonna rely on some good draft picks in a couple of years.. Back to drinking my gin and tonic and a blunt to forget my lifelong pain...
gunsnewing @ 7/16/2014 11:59 AM
2015 or 2016? Not much out there in 2015
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