Knicks · OT: Thaddeus Young revisited. Possible NYC robin? (page 1)

I remember it was amare or bargs plus shump or thjr.

I say it's time to revisit.

If Minnesota thinks he can replace love on some level. Why not us?

I'd def give up shump and bargs or amare for young.

Melo and young is a strong batman and robin in my book.

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=1...

Minnesota eyes Thaddeus Young

The Minnesota Timberwolves have expressed interest in Philadelphia 76ers power forward Thaddeus Young as a potential replacement for Kevin Love, according to sources close to the situation.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Wolves, while continuing to discuss trade proposals that would send Love to the Cleveland Cavaliers, have been exploring their options for acquiring Young from the Sixers, either through a separate transaction or as part of an expanded Love trade.

Whether Philadelphia proves willing to part with Young, though, remains to be seen.

Al Bello/Getty ImagesThaddeus Young, who has two years remaining on his contract, averaged 17.9 points and 6.0 rebounds for the Philadelphia 76ers last season.

Young has two years left on his contract, including a player option for the 2015-16 season, valued at a combined $19.3 million. Sixers general manager Sam Hinkie said in June that he anticipates Young starting next season in Philadelphia, but it's believed that the club is willing to move Young if the assets acquired in return are sufficiently attractive.

What does Amare bring to Philly? Cap space? they don't need it. Vet leadership? Enthusiasm? His contract is a bit steep for that.

So basically the lure is Shump or TJHjr?

I'd say TJH, but maybe we over valuing here a bit.

Im gonna guess that Minny wants Wiggins and YOung, Philly gets Bennett and some other minor asset.
What was "mentioned" was pre Melo signing and some form of speculation knicks were really trying to dump salary to get Pau.

yellowboy90 wrote:Young doesn't rebound that well and doesn't score at a high enough level to give assets for. Shump for Thad is very good but that's unlikely

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Young doesn't rebound that well and doesn't score at a high enough level to give assets for. Shump for Thad is very good but that's unlikely

Yeah, I like Young, but he's a poor man's version of Melo. He can score, but that's not a pressing need for this team.

Came here to say this. He's like a poor mans Melo. The thing is, we have Early who needs those backup minutes to develop. I'd pass on Young. Let the yoot learn on the job.

I will trade shump for thad.

alwaysaknick wrote:Thad is a hard work role player, he has mid range, three point, above average passing skill, able to get offensive rebound, just undersize as a pf, but we ca.n play him as sf, backing melo, and move him up to pf if necessary.

I will trade shump for thad.

I doubt thats on the table...........
Just because we are talking about it does not validate there was much there.

Think of his salary. IT don't fit.

fishmike wrote:he's just like another Gallo or Mayor. Good player, but he's essentially being paid for what they hope he would produce, not what he is producing. He's a good player but overpaid.

Kinda like Melo. We are playing him $124m hoping he buys in and elevates his game

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's just like another Gallo or Mayor. Good player, but he's essentially being paid for what they hope he would produce, not what he is producing. He's a good player but overpaid.

Kinda like Melo. We are playing him $124m hoping he buys in and elevates his game

Silverfuel wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's just like another Gallo or Mayor. Good player, but he's essentially being paid for what they hope he would produce, not what he is producing. He's a good player but overpaid.

Kinda like Melo. We are playing him $124m hoping he buys in and elevates his game

Actually the $124m is for what we know he can do, we traded him for players we were hoping would elevate their game. They never did so lucky for NYC we pulled the trigger.

Elevating his game would be nice... instead of what? Top 10 he's top 5? MVP candidate? That would be nice, but thats not the key to the Knicks winning and competing for a title. Melo can be Melo and the Knicks will be fine.

I have no desire to pay guys $10mm a year to be hurt, or to be rotation guys that tantalize you with a great week followed by two poor ones. Thats the risk you take when you sign for potential, which is obviously cheaper than signing for production (which is why Melo is a max player). That being said we arent there. We can let Phil build and find those guys in the draft. Use the cap space to bring in a producer.

Guns, have you an tfk been having morning coffee? If so avoid drinking his by accident.. its laced with piss

Thad almost makes 2/5 the salary of Melo

Very troubling seeing increase in his pay by 2/5 form what he made in Denver

Outbid everyone unnecessarily by 1/4 to retain him

While they aren't the same talent Thad has a solid career, he's no pushover.

Very efficient solid 2-way player

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

If playing with quality talent is of question can we name the great players who have accompanied Thad in his career

Silverfuel wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's just like another Gallo or Mayor. Good player, but he's essentially being paid for what they hope he would produce, not what he is producing. He's a good player but overpaid.

Kinda like Melo. We are playing him $124m hoping he buys in and elevates his game

Actually the $124m is for what we know he can do, we traded him for players we were hoping would elevate their game. They never did so lucky for NYC we pulled the trigger.

Actually, they did elevate. Didn't you watch all those parades in Denver? Plus, I hear Cleveland's going to trade Wiggins for Moz any day now...

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's just like another Gallo or Mayor. Good player, but he's essentially being paid for what they hope he would produce, not what he is producing. He's a good player but overpaid.

Kinda like Melo. We are playing him $124m hoping he buys in and elevates his game

No, Phil just did that to get you to finally leave and join Whorenyets.com as a full-time admin. He's tired of your negative waves, man.

F500ONE wrote:Doesn't make sense to pay a player peak salary premium knowing he's a first round exit waiting to happen

Thad almost makes 2/5 the salary of Melo

Very troubling seeing increase in his pay by 2/5 form what he made in Denver

Outbid everyone unnecessarily by 1/4 to retain him

While they aren't the same talent Thad has a solid career, he's no pushover.

Very efficient solid 2-way player

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

If playing with quality talent is of question can we name the great players who have accompanied him in his career

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

I get that some dont like Melo and have their personal issues with him but talk about scaping the bottom of the barrel

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Doesn't make sense to pay a player peak salary premium knowing he's a first round exit waiting to happen

Thad almost makes 2/5 the salary of Melo

Very troubling seeing increase in his pay by 2/5 form what he made in Denver

Outbid everyone unnecessarily by 1/4 to retain him

While they aren't the same talent Thad has a solid career, he's no pushover.

Very efficient solid 2-way player

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

If playing with quality talent is of question can we name the great players who have accompanied him in his career

zero logic here. Zilch. By this logic adding Young would ensure we are in the lottery next few years? Because thats all Thad brings right?

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

3 years ago. And Thad was the 4th best player on that team.

I get that some dont like Melo and have their personal issues with him but talk about scaping the bottom of the barrel

It wasn't 3yrs ago and I like the cherry picking you're doing where players were pecked on their team.

Thad was a high rotation player and they beat the Bulls in 2011-2012[2yrs ago]

Shall we cherry pick Calderon?

Where did he rank on all the teams he's been on

Young has been in the league 7yrs he's been to the playoffs 4 of them

Quite possibly a good pairing with Melo to cover up some of his sinful play

Putting players together with or without playoff experience is vastly different factoring how they should be compensated.

Obviously if we're going by post-season success//// Knicks pursue no playoff losers to pair with Melo going forward and Cleveland will be failtastic Lebron playing with Kyrie and potentially Love

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Doesn't make sense to pay a player peak salary premium knowing he's a first round exit waiting to happen

Thad almost makes 2/5 the salary of Melo

Very troubling seeing increase in his pay by 2/5 form what he made in Denver

Outbid everyone unnecessarily by 1/4 to retain him

While they aren't the same talent Thad has a solid career, he's no pushover.

Very efficient solid 2-way player

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

If playing with quality talent is of question can we name the great players who have accompanied him in his career

zero logic here. Zilch. By this logic adding Young would ensure we are in the lottery next few years? Because thats all Thad brings right?

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

3 years ago. And Thad was the 4th best player on that team.

I get that some dont like Melo and have their personal issues with him but talk about scaping the bottom of the barrel

It wasn't 3yrs ago and I like the cherry picking you're doing where players were pecked on their team.

Thad was a high rotation player and they beat the Bulls in 2011-2012[2yrs ago]

Shall we cherry pick Calderon?

Where did he rank on all the teams he's been on

Young has been in the league 7yrs he's been to the playoffs 4 of them

Quite possibly a good pairing with Melo to cover up some of his sinful play

Putting players together with or without playoff experience is vastly different factoring how they should be compensated.

Obviously if we're going by post-season success//// Knicks pursue no playoff losers to pair with Melo going forward and Cleveland will be failtastic Lebron playing with Kyrie and potentially Love

Not sure why you bring Calderon into this... He's usually his team's best shooter, leading assist guy, starting PG, and played for a 50 win team last year that took to the Spurs to 7 games. He played very well in that series also, and he makes what? $6m?? $7mm?? Calderon is a nice fit for his role here. If we brought in Calderon to be the 2nd scorer and play 40 minutes a game I wouldnt be happy about that. He's great for what we need.

fishmike wrote:he's just like another Gallo or Mayor. Good player, but he's essentially being paid for what they hope he would produce, not what he is producing. He's a good player but overpaid.

+1

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Doesn't make sense to pay a player peak salary premium knowing he's a first round exit waiting to happen

Thad almost makes 2/5 the salary of Melo

Very troubling seeing increase in his pay by 2/5 form what he made in Denver

Outbid everyone unnecessarily by 1/4 to retain him

While they aren't the same talent Thad has a solid career, he's no pushover.

Very efficient solid 2-way player

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

If playing with quality talent is of question can we name the great players who have accompanied him in his career

zero logic here. Zilch. By this logic adding Young would ensure we are in the lottery next few years? Because thats all Thad brings right?

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

3 years ago. And Thad was the 4th best player on that team.

I get that some dont like Melo and have their personal issues with him but talk about scaping the bottom of the barrel

It wasn't 3yrs ago and I like the cherry picking you're doing where players were pecked on their team.

Thad was a high rotation player and they beat the Bulls in 2011-2012[2yrs ago]

Shall we cherry pick Calderon?

Where did he rank on all the teams he's been on

Young has been in the league 7yrs he's been to the playoffs 4 of them

Quite possibly a good pairing with Melo to cover up some of his sinful play

Putting players together with or without playoff experience is vastly different factoring how they should be compensated.

Obviously if we're going by post-season success//// Knicks pursue no playoff losers to pair with Melo going forward and Cleveland will be failtastic Lebron playing with Kyrie and potentially Love

your right.. it was 2 seasons ago. So the last time Young was in the playoffs was 2 years ago, and he was the 7th leading scorer on his team in the playoffs, the 4th rebounder and shot 43% in 20 minutes. Can we please not use his playoff experience as any kind of logical barometer?

Not sure why you bring Calderon into this... He's usually his team's best shooter, leading assist guy, starting PG, and played for a 50 win team last year that took to the Spurs to 7 games. He played very well in that series also, and he makes what? $6m?? $7mm?? Calderon is a nice fit for his role here. If we brought in Calderon to be the 2nd scorer and play 40 minutes a game I wouldnt be happy about that. He's great for what we need.

Young is paid like a 4-5th option go look up what they make, $6-9mil/yr

Why look at only Young's PPG, ignoring the fact he's been 50%fg player for the majority of his career

He's not high usage, plays very solid defense and doesn't demand the ball

Last year he put up J.R. Smith 6th man numbers a player one time welcomed to be a cronie with Melo

Yeah Calderon had a good season last year with Dallas if you cherry pick that season

Before Dallas you could peg him as an efficient no playing defense guard who put up numbers on bad teams as a 4-6 option

I don't think Thad would come here to be a 2nd option.

I think he'd come here playing a "role" like Calderon at a different position

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Doesn't make sense to pay a player peak salary premium knowing he's a first round exit waiting to happen

Thad almost makes 2/5 the salary of Melo

Very troubling seeing increase in his pay by 2/5 form what he made in Denver

Outbid everyone unnecessarily by 1/4 to retain him

While they aren't the same talent Thad has a solid career, he's no pushover.

Very efficient solid 2-way player

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

If playing with quality talent is of question can we name the great players who have accompanied him in his career

zero logic here. Zilch. By this logic adding Young would ensure we are in the lottery next few years? Because thats all Thad brings right?

Philly produced playoffs getting to the second round with him as a major rotation player

3 years ago. And Thad was the 4th best player on that team.

I get that some dont like Melo and have their personal issues with him but talk about scaping the bottom of the barrel

It wasn't 3yrs ago and I like the cherry picking you're doing where players were pecked on their team.

Thad was a high rotation player and they beat the Bulls in 2011-2012[2yrs ago]

Shall we cherry pick Calderon?

Where did he rank on all the teams he's been on

Young has been in the league 7yrs he's been to the playoffs 4 of them

Quite possibly a good pairing with Melo to cover up some of his sinful play

Putting players together with or without playoff experience is vastly different factoring how they should be compensated.

Obviously if we're going by post-season success//// Knicks pursue no playoff losers to pair with Melo going forward and Cleveland will be failtastic Lebron playing with Kyrie and potentially Love

your right.. it was 2 seasons ago. So the last time Young was in the playoffs was 2 years ago, and he was the 7th leading scorer on his team in the playoffs, the 4th rebounder and shot 43% in 20 minutes. Can we please not use his playoff experience as any kind of logical barometer?

Not sure why you bring Calderon into this... He's usually his team's best shooter, leading assist guy, starting PG, and played for a 50 win team last year that took to the Spurs to 7 games. He played very well in that series also, and he makes what? $6m?? $7mm?? Calderon is a nice fit for his role here. If we brought in Calderon to be the 2nd scorer and play 40 minutes a game I wouldnt be happy about that. He's great for what we need.

Young is paid like a 4-5th option go look up what they make, $6-9mil/yr

Why look at only Young's PPG, ignoring the fact he's been 50%fg player for the majority of his career

He's not high usage, plays very solid defense and doesn't demand the ball

Last year he put up J.R. Smith 6th man numbers a player one time welcomed to be a cronie with Melo

Yeah Calderon had a good season last year with Dallas if you cherry pick that season

Before Dallas you could peg him as an efficient no playing defense guard who put up numbers on bad teams as a 4-6 option

I don't think Thad would come here to be a 2nd option.

I think he'd come here playing a "role" like Calderon at a different position

Your talking about a player putting up numbers on a team that had the 2nd or 3rd worst record in the league.