So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.
http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
Great article thanks for posting it. The rehab and training stuff was incredible. This blew me away:
Big-wave surfers build lung capacity by holding a large rock, sinking to the bottom of the ocean, and running short distances on the ocean floor. Korver and four friends decided to go back to the Channel Islands, find an 85-pound rock, and run a collective 5K holding the thing underwater.4 Each participant would dive down, find the rock, run with it as long as he could, and drop it for the next guy to find. Those waiting their turn wore weight belts and tread in water between five and 10 feet deep.It took five hours. “We were honestly worried about blacking out,” Korver says. They were also worried about sharks.5
“He wants to turn over every stone, and try every possible thing that might make him better — as a player and a person,” Elliott says.
dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
nothing negative about Melo in the article so I understand your lack of interest.
dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, it's much more than that. It's written by Zach Lowe and right now he has no peer when it comes to writing about basketball, IMO.
CrushAlot wrote:Great article thanks for posting it. The rehab and training stuff was incredible. This blew me away:
Big-wave surfers build lung capacity by holding a large rock, sinking to the bottom of the ocean, and running short distances on the ocean floor. Korver and four friends decided to go back to the Channel Islands, find an 85-pound rock, and run a collective 5K holding the thing underwater.4 Each participant would dive down, find the rock, run with it as long as he could, and drop it for the next guy to find. Those waiting their turn wore weight belts and tread in water between five and 10 feet deep.It took five hours. “We were honestly worried about blacking out,” Korver says. They were also worried about sharks.5
“He wants to turn over every stone, and try every possible thing that might make him better — as a player and a person,” Elliott says.
yea thats wild. What people dont realize is there isnt much of a talent gap separating these guys, which is why the guys with the crazy work ethics stick around and turn a niche into skill that impacts the game.
Always liked Korver. Reggie is exactly the guy he reminds you of
One of my favorite players through out the years. Always wished the knicks picked him up
I love the "gravity score" and "distraction" concept. Novak provided that for us but he was so bad on d that he wasnt worth it
dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
callmened wrote:One of my favorite players through out the years. Always wished the knicks picked him upI love the "gravity score" and "distraction" concept. Novak provided that for us but he was so bad on d that he wasnt worth it
Exactly, trading Novak killed our spacing. Most ot fans argued he couldn't score but I always thought that the threat to score can be as valuable as scoring in itself.
This article was a Sabermetrics wet dream.
Good for Kyle, very happy an article like this showers praise on his value to this game
raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
I tell you what, when he was out, alanta lost all of one game (13 out of 14) , thats when we were pulling closer for that 8th spot, as soon as he got back, they pulled there offense together, and we could never catch them.
mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
So 44% is the number?
that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.
if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.
mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
So 44% is the number?
In that case next time we play Golden State we better sag off Steph Curry! He's only shooting 42.4%, let him take 3's all day! 
Dagger wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
So 44% is the number?
In that case next time we play Golden State we better sag off Steph Curry! He's only shooting 42.4%, let him take 3's all day!
is curry a specialist like korver and miller and novak? no. read more closely!
IT'S THE SYSTEM, AND THE COACHING, THATS THE DIFFERENCE.
Certain players require certain systems to be effective, he's willing to be taught after 10 yrs in the league.
I feel like we got melo thinking the same way, he him self said he was willing to learn from phil.
I think a lot of ppl are going to be suprise at how effective the triangle will be for the current knick roster
dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
So 44% is the number?
that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.
if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.
Korver is more than a specialist though. DK if you haven't read the article id def recommend checking it out. It really is a great read. As are all of Lowes pieces for grantland.
