fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:So am I the only one who's so immature not to see the humor in this threads title?Love's package vs Melo's Package???
Im curious to see what Magic Johnson says about the two. Im sure we all are.
I'm curious to see what Phil says since he already said this////
Jackson also said that he had not contacted Brian Shaw, the coach of the Denver Nuggets. Shaw played for and coached under Jackson with the Los Angeles Lakers, but he is under contract and has pledged to stay with Denver. Besides, Jackson said, he would be reluctant to deal with the Nuggets after the Knicks sent them four players and three draft picks as part of the 2011 trade for Anthony.“Denver has everything that we owned for the last few years,” Jackson said, deadpan, “so there’s nothing else I want to give them.”
Translating Phil, the Denver trade was too rich
EnySpree wrote:So am I the only one who's so immature not to see the humor in this threads title?Love's package vs Melo's Package???
When I wrote it I did think about it 
Interesting that nobody (aside from you) has a dirty mind.
F500ONE wrote:fishmike wrote:EnySpree wrote:So am I the only one who's so immature not to see the humor in this threads title?Love's package vs Melo's Package???
Im curious to see what Magic Johnson says about the two. Im sure we all are.
I'm curious to see what Phil says since he already said this////
Jackson also said that he had not contacted Brian Shaw, the coach of the Denver Nuggets. Shaw played for and coached under Jackson with the Los Angeles Lakers, but he is under contract and has pledged to stay with Denver. Besides, Jackson said, he would be reluctant to deal with the Nuggets after the Knicks sent them four players and three draft picks as part of the 2011 trade for Anthony.“Denver has everything that we owned for the last few years,” Jackson said, deadpan, “so there’s nothing else I want to give them.”
Translating Phil, the Denver trade was too rich
lmao... yea... talk about going over your head. But thats cool... goood see you keep fighting the good fight! Down with the Melo infidels!
mreinman wrote:EnySpree wrote:So am I the only one who's so immature not to see the humor in this threads title?Love's package vs Melo's Package???
When I wrote it I did think about it
Interesting that nobody (aside from you) has a dirty mind.
and you wonder why this forum has gone down the last few years
If Cleveland wins a chip.
Then we might say...............Cleve gave up more, but we gave up too much. Cleveland had more to begin with.
No starphuching around with Cavs. This is a win now move.
So its not what you give up, its what you ACHIEVE in the aftermath.
Too early.
Nalod wrote:If Cleveland wins a chip.
Then we might say...............Cleve gave up more, but we gave up too much. Cleveland had more to begin with. No starphuching around with Cavs. This is a win now move.
So its not what you give up, its what you ACHIEVE in the aftermath.
Too early.
If Love bolts after 1 year this trade will be a disaster for the Cavs...
nyvector16 wrote:Nalod wrote:If Cleveland wins a chip.
Then we might say...............Cleve gave up more, but we gave up too much. Cleveland had more to begin with. No starphuching around with Cavs. This is a win now move.
So its not what you give up, its what you ACHIEVE in the aftermath.
Too early.
If Love bolts after 1 year this trade will be a disaster for the Cavs...
under what circumstances would he do that?
dk7th wrote:nyvector16 wrote:Nalod wrote:If Cleveland wins a chip.
Then we might say...............Cleve gave up more, but we gave up too much. Cleveland had more to begin with. No starphuching around with Cavs. This is a win now move.
So its not what you give up, its what you ACHIEVE in the aftermath.
Too early.
If Love bolts after 1 year this trade will be a disaster for the Cavs...
under what circumstances would he do that?
He doesnt want to be in Cleveland? or if they play poorly and everyne blames him?
It's so funny to read the anti-Melo crowd try to say the Cleveland deal is better than the Melo deal. They are all in love with Shumpert even though he has done nothing in 3 years but they want to say stuff like Wiggins could be a bust! Gallo is so injury prone its not even funny and they still continue to complain about the Melo trade. So Cleveland gave up more for Kevin Love than we did for Melo and Melo is a better player!
Silverfuel wrote:It's so funny to read the anti-Melo crowd try to say the Cleveland deal is better than the Melo deal. They are all in love with Shumpert even though he has done nothing in 3 years but they want to say stuff like Wiggins could be a bust! Gallo is so injury prone its not even funny and they still continue to complain about the Melo trade. So Cleveland gave up more for Kevin Love than we did for Melo and Melo is a better player!
Doesnt matter what folks on a message board thinks, Denver didnt get the best package because it wasnt the package they preferred. George Karl was the only one to prefer that package, Denver wanted the nets deal.
it's clear as the blue sky Minny wants the Cavs package and nobody else can come close to it.
nyvector16 wrote:Nalod wrote:If Cleveland wins a chip.
Then we might say...............Cleve gave up more, but we gave up too much. Cleveland had more to begin with. No starphuching around with Cavs. This is a win now move.
So its not what you give up, its what you ACHIEVE in the aftermath.
Too early.
If Love bolts after 1 year this trade will be a disaster for the Cavs...
I think they already agreed Love would get the 5 year max extension.
I also think the full details of the deal have not been disclosed, and if so, how can we vote?
dk7th wrote:franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.
yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.
Papabear Says
Damn Man. Why don't you just stop it! You are one sick dude all that come out of your mouth is bash Melo time. Cleveland is giving up 3 first rounders. Love never played in a Playoff game. He will get a lot of attention now.You just can't let the Melo thing go. 5years 5 years relax and enjoy.
Papabear wrote:dk7th wrote:franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.
yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.
Papabear Says
Damn Man. Why don't you just stop it! You are one sick dude all that come out of your mouth is bash Melo time. Cleveland is giving up 3 first rounders. Love never played in a Playoff game. He will get a lot of attention now.You just can't let the Melo thing go. 5years 5 years relax and enjoy.
i'll enjoy watching a watchable basketball team. the last few years have been mostly a "boring chaos"
if you read my posts about other players whose games i admire, you would realize i have a very balanced and fair-minded approach to all of them. why would melo be some sort of "exception?" i don't single him out except he may remain a problem for the next five years.
dk7th wrote:franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.
yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.
Papabear Says
DK7th Says
the raptors went 22-60 the season bargnani averaged 21.4 points per game. what does that tell you about the importance of scoring 21 points a game in the nba?
some numbers to consider during "his best year" as you put it:
17.8 FGA @ 44.8% with 34.5% from 3
1.8 assists and 2.3 turnovers
5.2 rebounds
28.2 usage and 8.8 assist rate
53.3 TS%
as i have said several times now, he is a decent midrange shooter. if he sticks to that part of the floor and learns to pass the ****ing rock a bit to baseline cutters that'll be a plus. still won't make him a good and solid player. zero-sum is this guy's ceiling.
the Raptors went 40-42 with Kevin Love. Still a loss record. While in Minnesota Kevin Love showed no leadership qualities. He just wanted out. If Cleveland does no do well then maybe Cleveland will cut their losses and Love won't get that big pay day.
Papabear wrote:dk7th wrote:franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.
yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.
Papabear Says
DK7th Says
the raptors went 22-60 the season bargnani averaged 21.4 points per game. what does that tell you about the importance of scoring 21 points a game in the nba?
some numbers to consider during "his best year" as you put it:
17.8 FGA @ 44.8% with 34.5% from 3
1.8 assists and 2.3 turnovers
5.2 rebounds
28.2 usage and 8.8 assist rate
53.3 TS%
as i have said several times now, he is a decent midrange shooter. if he sticks to that part of the floor and learns to pass the ****ing rock a bit to baseline cutters that'll be a plus. still won't make him a good and solid player. zero-sum is this guy's ceiling.
the Raptors went 40-42 with Kevin Love. Still a loss record. While in Minnesota Kevin Love showed no leadership qualities. He just wanted out. If Cleveland does no do well then maybe Cleveland will cut their losses and Love won't get that big pay day.
Love is an all star, Bargs is not. Love will get paid regardless of where he goes.
And for the record Love wants out because Minny didnt feel he was a max player, which is why they WOULDNT give him a five deal.
Melo on the other hand wanted out AFTER Devner offered him his max.
The three are not the same.
knickscity wrote:Papabear wrote:dk7th wrote:franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.
yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.
Papabear Says
DK7th Says
the raptors went 22-60 the season bargnani averaged 21.4 points per game. what does that tell you about the importance of scoring 21 points a game in the nba?
some numbers to consider during "his best year" as you put it:
17.8 FGA @ 44.8% with 34.5% from 3
1.8 assists and 2.3 turnovers
5.2 rebounds
28.2 usage and 8.8 assist rate
53.3 TS%
as i have said several times now, he is a decent midrange shooter. if he sticks to that part of the floor and learns to pass the ****ing rock a bit to baseline cutters that'll be a plus. still won't make him a good and solid player. zero-sum is this guy's ceiling.
the Raptors went 40-42 with Kevin Love. Still a loss record. While in Minnesota Kevin Love showed no leadership qualities. He just wanted out. If Cleveland does no do well then maybe Cleveland will cut their losses and Love won't get that big pay day.
Love is an all star, Bargs is not. Love will get paid regardless of where he goes.And for the record Love wants out because Minny didnt feel he was a max player, which is why they WOULDNT give him a five deal.
Melo on the other hand wanted out AFTER Devner offered him his max.
The three are not the same.
Not to forget Love wants to know what it's like to play in the playoffs, he's never been there
Melo otoh left a solid playoff team to go to a borderline playoff team
Not the same here either
F500ONE wrote:knickscity wrote:Papabear wrote:dk7th wrote:franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.
yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.
Papabear Says
DK7th Says
the raptors went 22-60 the season bargnani averaged 21.4 points per game. what does that tell you about the importance of scoring 21 points a game in the nba?
some numbers to consider during "his best year" as you put it:
17.8 FGA @ 44.8% with 34.5% from 3
1.8 assists and 2.3 turnovers
5.2 rebounds
28.2 usage and 8.8 assist rate
53.3 TS%
as i have said several times now, he is a decent midrange shooter. if he sticks to that part of the floor and learns to pass the ****ing rock a bit to baseline cutters that'll be a plus. still won't make him a good and solid player. zero-sum is this guy's ceiling.
the Raptors went 40-42 with Kevin Love. Still a loss record. While in Minnesota Kevin Love showed no leadership qualities. He just wanted out. If Cleveland does no do well then maybe Cleveland will cut their losses and Love won't get that big pay day.
Love is an all star, Bargs is not. Love will get paid regardless of where he goes.And for the record Love wants out because Minny didnt feel he was a max player, which is why they WOULDNT give him a five deal.
Melo on the other hand wanted out AFTER Devner offered him his max.
The three are not the same.
Not to forget Love wants to know what it's like to play in the playoffs, he's never been there
Melo otoh left a solid playoff team to go to a borderline playoff team
Not the same here either
very true. Love wants a better experience, but I'm not sold he'd want out if Minny didnt screw him out of that fifth year...he lost alot of money CBA wise with the 30% of the cap thing.
melo definitely and knowingly picked a worse situation....he even admitted he knew the team would have to rebuild when we traded for him.
F500ONE wrote:knickscity wrote:Papabear wrote:dk7th wrote:franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.
yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.
Papabear Says
DK7th Says
the raptors went 22-60 the season bargnani averaged 21.4 points per game. what does that tell you about the importance of scoring 21 points a game in the nba?
some numbers to consider during "his best year" as you put it:
17.8 FGA @ 44.8% with 34.5% from 3
1.8 assists and 2.3 turnovers
5.2 rebounds
28.2 usage and 8.8 assist rate
53.3 TS%
as i have said several times now, he is a decent midrange shooter. if he sticks to that part of the floor and learns to pass the ****ing rock a bit to baseline cutters that'll be a plus. still won't make him a good and solid player. zero-sum is this guy's ceiling.
the Raptors went 40-42 with Kevin Love. Still a loss record. While in Minnesota Kevin Love showed no leadership qualities. He just wanted out. If Cleveland does no do well then maybe Cleveland will cut their losses and Love won't get that big pay day.
Love is an all star, Bargs is not. Love will get paid regardless of where he goes.And for the record Love wants out because Minny didnt feel he was a max player, which is why they WOULDNT give him a five deal.
Melo on the other hand wanted out AFTER Devner offered him his max.
The three are not the same.
Not to forget Love wants to know what it's like to play in the playoffs, he's never been there
Melo otoh left a solid playoff team to go to a borderline playoff team
Not the same here either
Melo left just prior to a labor stoppage where the owners were telling the players they were changing free agency and would make it much harder and much less lucrative for star players to leave their current teams.
CrushAlot wrote:F500ONE wrote:knickscity wrote:Papabear wrote:dk7th wrote:franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.
yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.
Papabear Says
DK7th Says
the raptors went 22-60 the season bargnani averaged 21.4 points per game. what does that tell you about the importance of scoring 21 points a game in the nba?
some numbers to consider during "his best year" as you put it:
17.8 FGA @ 44.8% with 34.5% from 3
1.8 assists and 2.3 turnovers
5.2 rebounds
28.2 usage and 8.8 assist rate
53.3 TS%
as i have said several times now, he is a decent midrange shooter. if he sticks to that part of the floor and learns to pass the ****ing rock a bit to baseline cutters that'll be a plus. still won't make him a good and solid player. zero-sum is this guy's ceiling.
the Raptors went 40-42 with Kevin Love. Still a loss record. While in Minnesota Kevin Love showed no leadership qualities. He just wanted out. If Cleveland does no do well then maybe Cleveland will cut their losses and Love won't get that big pay day.
Love is an all star, Bargs is not. Love will get paid regardless of where he goes.And for the record Love wants out because Minny didnt feel he was a max player, which is why they WOULDNT give him a five deal.
Melo on the other hand wanted out AFTER Devner offered him his max.
The three are not the same.
Not to forget Love wants to know what it's like to play in the playoffs, he's never been there
Melo otoh left a solid playoff team to go to a borderline playoff team
Not the same here either
Melo left just prior to a labor stoppage where the owners were telling the players they were changing free agency and would make it much harder and much less lucrative for star players to leave their current teams.
he could have signed the extension in Denver like they offered him immediately.
knickscity wrote:CrushAlot wrote:F500ONE wrote:knickscity wrote:Papabear wrote:dk7th wrote:franco12 wrote:One way to look at NY having given up more is relative to what they had at the time - We were left with Stat and little else- Cleveland still has 2 all stars and depth. And their draft picks after this year.
yes context is everything. what we gave up for melo was too much, just based on the terrible chemistry that stoudemire and anthony would inevitably have. can't say the same for love and lebron or love and irving.
Papabear Says
DK7th Says
the raptors went 22-60 the season bargnani averaged 21.4 points per game. what does that tell you about the importance of scoring 21 points a game in the nba?
some numbers to consider during "his best year" as you put it:
17.8 FGA @ 44.8% with 34.5% from 3
1.8 assists and 2.3 turnovers
5.2 rebounds
28.2 usage and 8.8 assist rate
53.3 TS%
as i have said several times now, he is a decent midrange shooter. if he sticks to that part of the floor and learns to pass the ****ing rock a bit to baseline cutters that'll be a plus. still won't make him a good and solid player. zero-sum is this guy's ceiling.
the Raptors went 40-42 with Kevin Love. Still a loss record. While in Minnesota Kevin Love showed no leadership qualities. He just wanted out. If Cleveland does no do well then maybe Cleveland will cut their losses and Love won't get that big pay day.
Love is an all star, Bargs is not. Love will get paid regardless of where he goes.And for the record Love wants out because Minny didnt feel he was a max player, which is why they WOULDNT give him a five deal.
Melo on the other hand wanted out AFTER Devner offered him his max.
The three are not the same.
Not to forget Love wants to know what it's like to play in the playoffs, he's never been there
Melo otoh left a solid playoff team to go to a borderline playoff team
Not the same here either
Melo left just prior to a labor stoppage where the owners were telling the players they were changing free agency and would make it much harder and much less lucrative for star players to leave their current teams.
he could have signed the extension in Denver like they offered him immediately.
So True
Judging by what he did on this contract I think Melo was looking further into the future too
My gut says he wanted to go to a team assuring him of another rich deal
New York was the most likely option he could go to, without doubting he'd get another richer deal
Not sure Denver goes another round with him again.
I think they would have traded him to a team of their destination once extension was signed/////
Placing his next deal at risk.
We've been a team making decisions on save face premises, which of course sharks smell this blood very easily
Fortunately for him and his agent spotting the sucker Dolan/////
Melo didn't make 1 bad financial decision when placing Denver in the rear view
