Knicks · Knicks vs GSW Assistant Coaches (page 1)
They improved the past 2yrs while/////
Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLE
Olympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chip
West possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
F500ONE wrote:Not sure but Dub fans probably feel incredibly optimistic
They improved the past 2yrs while/////Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLEOlympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chipWest possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
How is the West "wide open"? You think the Warriors can finish 1 or 2 in the West?
F500ONE wrote:Not sure but Dub fans probably feel incredibly optimisticSo GS adds the triangle and they improve 7-12 games. Knicks do the same and you have them losing 5 more games than the year before.
They improved the past 2yrs while/////Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLEOlympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chipWest possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
I guess if we had more guys going to the Olympics we would be better?
VDesai wrote:Jackson disciples on their own haven't been that succesful as head coaches (Cleamons and Rambis are perfect examples), but some Jackson disciples with the real thing lurking in the background gives me a lot more confidence.this... its not just a Phil disciple, its one with a star player buying in, assistant coaches fluent in the offense, a mix of old guys who have done this and hungry up and coming staffers and a coaching staff totally backed from top to bottom. Much different then prior years of "here's your roster, good luck"
nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Not sure but Dub fans probably feel incredibly optimistic
They improved the past 2yrs while/////Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLEOlympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chipWest possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
How is the West "wide open"? You think the Warriors can finish 1 or 2 in the West?
Who is clearly better than the Warriors if you factor in the Triangle?
Keep in mind only 8gms separated them from being a 2 seed
Adding Livingston and Rush along with Barnes having a breakout season why not?
Does the Triangle affect only work on the East team and not the West
fishmike wrote:F500ONE wrote:Not sure but Dub fans probably feel incredibly optimisticSo GS adds the triangle and they improve 7-12 games. Knicks do the same and you have them losing 5 more games than the year before.
They improved the past 2yrs while/////Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLEOlympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chipWest possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
I guess if we had more guys going to the Olympics we would be better?
Okay let me post in Reality
I think the Warriors win about 48gms not sure where they'll seed at
Maybe you caught the drift
While we may like our coaching staff better, might give us slight edge adding Cleamons
At the end of the day do we see a markedly improved Warriors team
I'd like to think this Warriors team will be better if not as good
As the Warrior team who pushed the Spurs to 6gms in the Semis 2yrs ago right?
Isn't this how it works
Triangle factor and then compare 2yrs ago
Also, people shouldn't assume Kerr wants to run the triangle. I will assume that not trading klay/lee for love/martin was dumb.
yellowboy90 wrote:Barnes having a breakout season just like shump and hardaway jr. Awesome.
Also, people shouldn't assume Kerr wants to run the triangle. I will assume that not trading klay/lee for love/martin was dumb.
I may have to agree with you here but I understand why
Kerr sounds like he was the most opposed internally
All this means if Klay continues as he has
Warriors will have to essentially Max him out
His market value was established by them and by the offseason[Charlotte-Utah signing of Gordon]
I was being purposely overly optimistic on Barnes & Co in the same way that
Maybe just maybe Jackson was holding him back as Woodson supposedly held Shumpert back
F500ONE wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Barnes having a breakout season just like shump and hardaway jr. Awesome.
Also, people shouldn't assume Kerr wants to run the triangle. I will assume that not trading klay/lee for love/martin was dumb.I may have to agree with you here but I understand why
Kerr sounds like he was the most opposed internally
All this means if Klay continues as he has
Warriors will have to essentially Max him outHis market value was established by them and by the offseason[Charlotte-Utah signing of Gordon]
I was being purposely overly optimistic on Barnes & Co in the same way thatMaybe just maybe Jackson was holding him back as Woodson supposedly held Shumpert back
Kerr was not a good gm and that could continue to be his downfall as a coach in player evaluations and trades. I doubt lay improves to the level of Love and then he becomes a overpaid player. Klay is an overrated defender that doesn't do much else than shoot 3s. Now shooting 3s is a very good skill but he needs to show more things. You are right that the market set his price. Parsons, Hewyard, and Lance set his market. I think Lance is possibly the better player and he got less.
VDesai wrote:Jackson disciples on their own haven't been that succesful as head coaches (Cleamons and Rambis are perfect examples), but some Jackson disciples with the real thing lurking in the background gives me a lot more confidence.
They might not have what it takes to be successful head coaches but they can still be good consiglieri to a head coach. Phil being in the background means that Fisher has a great support system down the line. Fisher doesn't have to be looking over his shoulder, he knows that these guys have his back which should make it easier for him to do his job.
Doesn't necessarily mean Fisher will be a good coach, but having assts he trusts and Phil there to guide him gives Fisher a better chance of succeeding.
Vmart wrote:I prefer the Knicks staff because I'm a Knicks fan.
Good POINT!
Is it ok to have wanted Kerr but be perfectly happy with Fish?
Im sure we all would feel better if Kerr crashes and burns in GSW!
I think Cleamons and Rambis would be NY bound regardless of who got the job.
I like GSW's roster better than ours for now. I'd be curious how they solve rim defense and spacing between DLee and Bogut (that joint) on the offense.
F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Not sure but Dub fans probably feel incredibly optimistic
They improved the past 2yrs while/////Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLEOlympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chipWest possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
How is the West "wide open"? You think the Warriors can finish 1 or 2 in the West?
Who is clearly better than the Warriors if you factor in the Triangle?Keep in mind only 8gms separated them from being a 2 seed
Adding Livingston and Rush along with Barnes having a breakout season why not?Does the Triangle affect only work on the East team and not the West
The West isn't wide open as you stated. It's freakin tough and congested with good teams. They had 7 50 win teams and Dallas won 49!!! GS was a 6 seed and it was a really close fight but let's not make stuff up about it being wide open. If they struggle even a little bit to adjust to this new style of play that could be huge and keep them from being a 1 or 2 seed as you seem to think they have a chance to do. You're talking about a 60 win team. You can't have a slow start so better hope Kerr gets this right.
Why are you high on the impact of the Triangle with the Warriors and not the Knicks? The Warriors are a very good team. It's hard to know how much the Triangle will impact their roster. Kerr isn't going to run a strict Triangle Offense. He's doing a kind of hybrid thing. He's using other sets like "Horns". It will be very interesting to see how he does things. His team is slanted towards the PG spot and he's gonna have to have an offense where his PG can have the ball in his hands, which is counter to the Triangle's normal focus.
The Knicks situation is different. This team underachieved and has a lot of room to improve having NOTHING to do with the Triangle!!! If they simply played up to their abilities like they did to close out the year they would've won a ton more games. They showed that by going 16-7 to finish the year with no Triangle involved. This is part of what we've been trying to tell you. The Knicks have a huge upside compared to what we saw last year. Better leadership, players, coaching and system are a lot of areas of improvement. GS was closer to their max than the Knicks where. The impact of changes may not be as great since they already were playing well. Still it's possible that GS could improve a lot and everything goes perfectly. Just remember that they play in the West and not the East. Even with the East getting a little better they're not as good as the teams in the West.
nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Not sure but Dub fans probably feel incredibly optimistic
They improved the past 2yrs while/////Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLEOlympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chipWest possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
How is the West "wide open"? You think the Warriors can finish 1 or 2 in the West?
Who is clearly better than the Warriors if you factor in the Triangle?Keep in mind only 8gms separated them from being a 2 seed
Adding Livingston and Rush along with Barnes having a breakout season why not?Does the Triangle affect only work on the East team and not the West
The West isn't wide open as you stated. It's freakin tough and congested with good teams. They had 7 50 win teams and Dallas won 49!!! GS was a 6 seed and it was a really close fight but let's not make stuff up about it being wide open. If they struggle even a little bit to adjust to this new style of play that could be huge and keep them from being a 1 or 2 seed as you seem to think they have a chance to do. You're talking about a 60 win team. You can't have a slow start so better hope Kerr gets this right.
Why are you high on the impact of the Triangle with the Warriors and not the Knicks? The Warriors are a very good team. It's hard to know how much the Triangle will impact their roster. Kerr isn't going to run a strict Triangle Offense. He's doing a kind of hybrid thing. He's using other sets like "Horns". It will be very interesting to see how he does things. His team is slanted towards the PG spot and he's gonna have to have an offense where his PG can have the ball in his hands, which is counter to the Triangle's normal focus.
The Knicks situation is different. This team underachieved and has a lot of room to improve having NOTHING to do with the Triangle!!! If they simply played up to their abilities like they did to close out the year they would've won a ton more games. They showed that by going 16-7 to finish the year with no Triangle involved. This is part of what we've been trying to tell you. The Knicks have a huge upside compared to what we saw last year. Better leadership, players, coaching and system are a lot of areas of improvement. GS was closer to their max than the Knicks where. The impact of changes may not be as great since they already were playing well. Still it's possible that GS could improve a lot and everything goes perfectly. Just remember that they play in the West and not the East. Even with the East getting a little better they're not as good as the teams in the West.
Thats the same thing as being wide open, when damn near the entire 8 playoffs teams have a legit shot. If 7 of the 8 teams have 50 wins, that's wide open.
On the other hand, i haven't seen a tight eastern conference race since the 99 lockout, when the difference between 1st and 8th seed was 5 games.
I tell you what, this is the first time i have ever seen a Pres assemble an entire coaching staff.
It's always been, Prez gets GM, GM gets coach, and Coach gets his assistants. I could be wrong, maybe Pat riley might be the exception, but certainly a first for this franchise.
nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Not sure but Dub fans probably feel incredibly optimistic
They improved the past 2yrs while/////Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLEOlympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chipWest possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
How is the West "wide open"? You think the Warriors can finish 1 or 2 in the West?
Who is clearly better than the Warriors if you factor in the Triangle?Keep in mind only 8gms separated them from being a 2 seed
Adding Livingston and Rush along with Barnes having a breakout season why not?Does the Triangle affect only work on the East team and not the West
The West isn't wide open as you stated. It's freakin tough and congested with good teams. They had 7 50 win teams and Dallas won 49!!! GS was a 6 seed and it was a really close fight but let's not make stuff up about it being wide open. If they struggle even a little bit to adjust to this new style of play that could be huge and keep them from being a 1 or 2 seed as you seem to think they have a chance to do. You're talking about a 60 win team. You can't have a slow start so better hope Kerr gets this right.
Why are you high on the impact of the Triangle with the Warriors and not the Knicks? The Warriors are a very good team. It's hard to know how much the Triangle will impact their roster. Kerr isn't going to run a strict Triangle Offense. He's doing a kind of hybrid thing. He's using other sets like "Horns". It will be very interesting to see how he does things. His team is slanted towards the PG spot and he's gonna have to have an offense where his PG can have the ball in his hands, which is counter to the Triangle's normal focus.
The Knicks situation is different. This team underachieved and has a lot of room to improve having NOTHING to do with the Triangle!!! If they simply played up to their abilities like they did to close out the year they would've won a ton more games. They showed that by going 16-7 to finish the year with no Triangle involved. This is part of what we've been trying to tell you. The Knicks have a huge upside compared to what we saw last year. Better leadership, players, coaching and system are a lot of areas of improvement. GS was closer to their max than the Knicks where. The impact of changes may not be as great since they already were playing well. Still it's possible that GS could improve a lot and everything goes perfectly. Just remember that they play in the West and not the East. Even with the East getting a little better they're not as good as the teams in the West.
If you go look back at our previous seasons, the back half
You'll see some similar trends
You're now allowing the finish to shape your overall perspective of the team
I'm not, you are what your record says you are
If the West is what you say it is, in terms of competitive balance
Well we play 32 of our games against many of those juggernauts
Hence if Warriors will struggle out that way
No room for slippage even more so for us
That leaves the East
Let me guess you feel we'll run through our Conference with ease
Okay so when I showed how we did last year in splits across conferences
Asking to place victories where you feel so confidently in improvements/////
Why not say who we'll season best against
We'll surely have to win several season series in the East, you realize this correct?
The West being "wide open" IMO means any team after the Spurs has a legit shot
If things break right, there wasn't great separation between 2-8
You realize the Dallas team you laud Jose playing on
Taking the Spurs to 7gms, was an 8th seed right
F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Not sure but Dub fans probably feel incredibly optimistic
They improved the past 2yrs while/////Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLEOlympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chipWest possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
How is the West "wide open"? You think the Warriors can finish 1 or 2 in the West?
Who is clearly better than the Warriors if you factor in the Triangle?Keep in mind only 8gms separated them from being a 2 seed
Adding Livingston and Rush along with Barnes having a breakout season why not?Does the Triangle affect only work on the East team and not the West
The West isn't wide open as you stated. It's freakin tough and congested with good teams. They had 7 50 win teams and Dallas won 49!!! GS was a 6 seed and it was a really close fight but let's not make stuff up about it being wide open. If they struggle even a little bit to adjust to this new style of play that could be huge and keep them from being a 1 or 2 seed as you seem to think they have a chance to do. You're talking about a 60 win team. You can't have a slow start so better hope Kerr gets this right.
Why are you high on the impact of the Triangle with the Warriors and not the Knicks? The Warriors are a very good team. It's hard to know how much the Triangle will impact their roster. Kerr isn't going to run a strict Triangle Offense. He's doing a kind of hybrid thing. He's using other sets like "Horns". It will be very interesting to see how he does things. His team is slanted towards the PG spot and he's gonna have to have an offense where his PG can have the ball in his hands, which is counter to the Triangle's normal focus.
The Knicks situation is different. This team underachieved and has a lot of room to improve having NOTHING to do with the Triangle!!! If they simply played up to their abilities like they did to close out the year they would've won a ton more games. They showed that by going 16-7 to finish the year with no Triangle involved. This is part of what we've been trying to tell you. The Knicks have a huge upside compared to what we saw last year. Better leadership, players, coaching and system are a lot of areas of improvement. GS was closer to their max than the Knicks where. The impact of changes may not be as great since they already were playing well. Still it's possible that GS could improve a lot and everything goes perfectly. Just remember that they play in the West and not the East. Even with the East getting a little better they're not as good as the teams in the West.
If you go look back at our previous seasons, the back half
You'll see some similar trends
You're now allowing the finish to shape your overall perspective of the teamI'm not, you are what your record says you are
If the West is what you say it is, in terms of competitive balanceWell we play 32 of our games against many of those juggernauts
Hence if Warriors will struggle out that wayNo room for slippage even more so for us
That leaves the EastLet me guess you feel we'll run through our Conference with ease
Okay so when I showed how we did last year in splits across conferencesAsking to place victories where you feel so confidently in improvements/////
Why not say who we'll season best againstWe'll surely have to win several season series in the East, you realize this correct?
The West being "wide open" IMO means any team after the Spurs has a legit shotIf things break right, there wasn't great separation between 2-8
You realize the Dallas team you laud Jose playing onTaking the Spurs to 7gms, was an 8th seed right
I see what you guys are saying. Perhaps in my mind I just didn't quite understand the term wide open properly. For some reason for me I was taking it to be a very tough conference where you really can't have any hiccups and expect to have a chance to be a 1 or 2 seed. You pretty much have to be on point to get that high cuz the level of competition is stiff. I do get the point that all the teams are good and much closer in talent level and thus you could say any team is capable of moving up. Yes if things break right any team could move up. I do believe tho that there's no margin for error. A team like GS trying all this new stuff with a new coach won't have the luxury of stumbling out the gate of they'll drop real fast and may not be able to catch up.
GS has to be careful not to be caught from behind as well. It's not a static situation. So while they are hoping to make advances they have other good teams that aren't that far off from them. Not much separation from GS, Mem, Dal and Phx. Like I said they can't stumble for any serious period of time.
Western W L PCT GB CONF DIV HOME ROAD L 10 STREAK
San Antonio 62 20 0.756 0.0 38-14 12-4 32-9 30-11 6-4 L 2
Oklahoma City 59 23 0.720 3.0 36-16 11-5 34-7 25-16 6-4 W 1
L.A. Clippers 57 25 0.695 5.0 36-16 12-4 34-7 23-18 7-3 L 1
Houston 54 28 0.659 8.0 31-21 11-5 33-8 21-20 5-5 L 1
Portland 54 28 0.659 8.0 31-21 13-3 31-10 23-18 9-1 W 5
Golden State 51 31 0.622 11.0 31-21 11-5 27-14 24-17 6-4 W 2
Memphis 50 32 0.610 12.0 29-23 4-12 27-14 23-18 7-3 W 5
Dallas 49 33 0.598 13.0 29-23 9-7 26-15 23-18 6-4 L 1
Phoenix 48 34 0.585 14.0 28-24 8-8 26-15 22-19 5-5 W 1
nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Not sure but Dub fans probably feel incredibly optimistic
They improved the past 2yrs while/////Mark Jackson was fighting past love affairs, coaches, and mgmt
And they won 50+gms last year
Replace Jackson with Kerr and THE TRIANGLEOlympic experience of both Curry and Klay
Owner passionate about winning a chipWest possibly wide open, maybe they feel 7-12gm improvement from last year and a 1-2seed finish heading into playoffs
How is the West "wide open"? You think the Warriors can finish 1 or 2 in the West?
Who is clearly better than the Warriors if you factor in the Triangle?Keep in mind only 8gms separated them from being a 2 seed
Adding Livingston and Rush along with Barnes having a breakout season why not?Does the Triangle affect only work on the East team and not the West
The West isn't wide open as you stated. It's freakin tough and congested with good teams. They had 7 50 win teams and Dallas won 49!!! GS was a 6 seed and it was a really close fight but let's not make stuff up about it being wide open. If they struggle even a little bit to adjust to this new style of play that could be huge and keep them from being a 1 or 2 seed as you seem to think they have a chance to do. You're talking about a 60 win team. You can't have a slow start so better hope Kerr gets this right.
Why are you high on the impact of the Triangle with the Warriors and not the Knicks? The Warriors are a very good team. It's hard to know how much the Triangle will impact their roster. Kerr isn't going to run a strict Triangle Offense. He's doing a kind of hybrid thing. He's using other sets like "Horns". It will be very interesting to see how he does things. His team is slanted towards the PG spot and he's gonna have to have an offense where his PG can have the ball in his hands, which is counter to the Triangle's normal focus.
The Knicks situation is different. This team underachieved and has a lot of room to improve having NOTHING to do with the Triangle!!! If they simply played up to their abilities like they did to close out the year they would've won a ton more games. They showed that by going 16-7 to finish the year with no Triangle involved. This is part of what we've been trying to tell you. The Knicks have a huge upside compared to what we saw last year. Better leadership, players, coaching and system are a lot of areas of improvement. GS was closer to their max than the Knicks where. The impact of changes may not be as great since they already were playing well. Still it's possible that GS could improve a lot and everything goes perfectly. Just remember that they play in the West and not the East. Even with the East getting a little better they're not as good as the teams in the West.
If you go look back at our previous seasons, the back half
You'll see some similar trends
You're now allowing the finish to shape your overall perspective of the teamI'm not, you are what your record says you are
If the West is what you say it is, in terms of competitive balanceWell we play 32 of our games against many of those juggernauts
Hence if Warriors will struggle out that wayNo room for slippage even more so for us
That leaves the EastLet me guess you feel we'll run through our Conference with ease
Okay so when I showed how we did last year in splits across conferencesAsking to place victories where you feel so confidently in improvements/////
Why not say who we'll season best againstWe'll surely have to win several season series in the East, you realize this correct?
The West being "wide open" IMO means any team after the Spurs has a legit shotIf things break right, there wasn't great separation between 2-8
You realize the Dallas team you laud Jose playing onTaking the Spurs to 7gms, was an 8th seed right
I see what you guys are saying. Perhaps in my mind I just didn't quite understand the term wide open properly. For some reason for me I was taking it to be a very tough conference where you really can't have any hiccups and expect to have a chance to be a 1 or 2 seed. You pretty much have to be on point to get that high cuz the level of competition is stiff. I do get the point that all the teams are good and much closer in talent level and thus you could say any team is capable of moving up. Yes if things break right any team could move up. I do believe tho that there's no margin for error. A team like GS trying all this new stuff with a new coach won't have the luxury of stumbling out the gate of they'll drop real fast and may not be able to catch up.
GS has to be careful not to be caught from behind as well. It's not a static situation. So while they are hoping to make advances they have other good teams that aren't that far off from them. Not much separation from GS, Mem, Dal and Phx. Like I said they can't stumble for any serious period of time.
Western W L PCT GB CONF DIV HOME ROAD L 10 STREAK
San Antonio 62 20 0.756 0.0 38-14 12-4 32-9 30-11 6-4 L 2
Oklahoma City 59 23 0.720 3.0 36-16 11-5 34-7 25-16 6-4 W 1
L.A. Clippers 57 25 0.695 5.0 36-16 12-4 34-7 23-18 7-3 L 1
Houston 54 28 0.659 8.0 31-21 11-5 33-8 21-20 5-5 L 1
Portland 54 28 0.659 8.0 31-21 13-3 31-10 23-18 9-1 W 5
Golden State 51 31 0.622 11.0 31-21 11-5 27-14 24-17 6-4 W 2
Memphis 50 32 0.610 12.0 29-23 4-12 27-14 23-18 7-3 W 5
Dallas 49 33 0.598 13.0 29-23 9-7 26-15 23-18 6-4 L 1
Phoenix 48 34 0.585 14.0 28-24 8-8 26-15 22-19 5-5 W 1
Neither can we
I think DK has been predicting a slow start
After the schedule came out I recall you made a post
Saying we may start off slow
In case you didn't know if we start off slow
I'll translate this to be first month out the gate slow
We'll play 26 of the remaining 64 games against West teams
Go ahead and think we can do this while reaching close to 50wins
The East is no more "wide open" than the West
For us to move from 37 wins to 50 wins
Than for Golden State to move from 50 wins to 58-59 wins
Using the Triangle System