gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
One first round pick, two very injury prone guys and Moz.
gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
One first round pick, two very injury prone guys and Moz.
smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
It didn't really start with the Amar'e signing though- we've been making blunders for much longer than that! 
That stuffs all in the past though- I'm giving Phil the benefit of the doubt, and I'm hoping for a better season this year. I really enjoyed 2012-13, hated 2013-14,so I'm looking forward to seeing what we do- plus it's reassuring to know that if it all goes terribly wrong again, we actually have our draft pick, and most of the players are expiring or can be gotten rid of.
Quit grinding the axe, man and just sit back and enjoy the ride! This is a rare stress free season- if we do well, it helps us build a culture and if we suck we get a high draft pick and lots of cap space to get in new players.
if we suck it will send a very bad signal to prospective free agents who, quite unlike melo, may actually value winning over money. a lot is riding on this season being a reasonable success.
24 million dollars should get the knicks 45 wins and a strong first round showing.
a first round exit... where have i seen that before?
dk7th wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
It didn't really start with the Amar'e signing though- we've been making blunders for much longer than that!
That stuffs all in the past though- I'm giving Phil the benefit of the doubt, and I'm hoping for a better season this year. I really enjoyed 2012-13, hated 2013-14,so I'm looking forward to seeing what we do- plus it's reassuring to know that if it all goes terribly wrong again, we actually have our draft pick, and most of the players are expiring or can be gotten rid of.
Quit grinding the axe, man and just sit back and enjoy the ride! This is a rare stress free season- if we do well, it helps us build a culture and if we suck we get a high draft pick and lots of cap space to get in new players.
if we suck it will send a very bad signal to prospective free agents who, quite unlike melo, may actually value winning over money. a lot is riding on this season being a reasonable success.
24 million dollars should get the knicks 45 wins and a strong first round showing.
a first round exit... where have i seen that before?
We sucked in 2010 but it didn't stop Amar'e and Joe Johnson being interested in signing with us. Players follow the money, mainly- you can then sell them on the idea it would be a different team, Phil's in charge, etc etc
gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
smackeddog wrote:dk7th wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
It didn't really start with the Amar'e signing though- we've been making blunders for much longer than that!
That stuffs all in the past though- I'm giving Phil the benefit of the doubt, and I'm hoping for a better season this year. I really enjoyed 2012-13, hated 2013-14,so I'm looking forward to seeing what we do- plus it's reassuring to know that if it all goes terribly wrong again, we actually have our draft pick, and most of the players are expiring or can be gotten rid of.
Quit grinding the axe, man and just sit back and enjoy the ride! This is a rare stress free season- if we do well, it helps us build a culture and if we suck we get a high draft pick and lots of cap space to get in new players.
if we suck it will send a very bad signal to prospective free agents who, quite unlike melo, may actually value winning over money. a lot is riding on this season being a reasonable success.
24 million dollars should get the knicks 45 wins and a strong first round showing.
a first round exit... where have i seen that before?
We sucked in 2010 but it didn't stop Amar'e and Joe Johnson being interested in signing with us. Players follow the money, mainly- you can then sell them on the idea it would be a different team, Phil's in charge, etc etc
i am a proponent of saying it all starts from the top. with dolan that meant that the fish rots from the head down. put another way, dolan could not tolerate better men than himself in positions where dolan felt threatened by either competence or power. that's why lowlifes got to hang around so long and decent people did not last long or were given the opportunity to complete jobs they were hired to do.
i am all for sea changes and paradigm shifts, and it may well be we are seeing one here. i don't like mills, i don't like houston, in fact anyone that is connected to dolan i.don't.like. hopefully they are marginalized. frankly, culture change should have meant giving all of dolan's crew the heave-ho, as well as forcing melo to walk if it meant having to pay 24 million a year for a never-was player.
so i don't think taking a guilty until proven innocent approach is off base. it's sooo easy to misinterpret this as hating.
dk7th wrote:smackeddog wrote:dk7th wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
It didn't really start with the Amar'e signing though- we've been making blunders for much longer than that!
That stuffs all in the past though- I'm giving Phil the benefit of the doubt, and I'm hoping for a better season this year. I really enjoyed 2012-13, hated 2013-14,so I'm looking forward to seeing what we do- plus it's reassuring to know that if it all goes terribly wrong again, we actually have our draft pick, and most of the players are expiring or can be gotten rid of.
Quit grinding the axe, man and just sit back and enjoy the ride! This is a rare stress free season- if we do well, it helps us build a culture and if we suck we get a high draft pick and lots of cap space to get in new players.
if we suck it will send a very bad signal to prospective free agents who, quite unlike melo, may actually value winning over money. a lot is riding on this season being a reasonable success.
24 million dollars should get the knicks 45 wins and a strong first round showing.
a first round exit... where have i seen that before?
We sucked in 2010 but it didn't stop Amar'e and Joe Johnson being interested in signing with us. Players follow the money, mainly- you can then sell them on the idea it would be a different team, Phil's in charge, etc etc
i am a proponent of saying it all starts from the top. with dolan that meant that the fish rots from the head down. put another way, dolan could not tolerate better men than himself in positions where dolan felt threatened by either competence or power. that's why lowlifes got to hang around so long and decent people did not last long or were given the opportunity to complete jobs they were hired to do.
i am all for sea changes and paradigm shifts, and it may well be we are seeing one here. i don't like mills, i don't like houston, in fact anyone that is connected to dolan i.don't.like. hopefully they are marginalized. frankly, culture change should have meant giving all of dolan's crew the heave-ho, as well as forcing melo to walk if it meant having to pay 24 million a year for a never-was player.
so i don't think taking a guilty until proven innocent approach is off base. it's sooo easy to misinterpret this as hating.
At some point you have use reason. Phil is in charge and it's pretty clear that he's building his usual core of support around the team. Mills and Houston don't factor into what the Coaches and Players will be doing. The Players and Coaches are in Phil's World. He's creating the environment he wants to nurture his team and IMO that's a good thing to be excited about.
IMO it makes no sense to live in the past if we have a new Prez, Head Coach and Staff, 7 new players and a totally new system that has been tested. We retained our best player and he's been showing he's ready to buy into what Phil is asking. So far all the players have a more positive attitude coming in. I think it's much easier to see this team meeting or exceeding expectations for a change than not meeting up to expectations like last year.
knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
Because we've graduated to the next phase
Many of us hated those moves in real time
Until the Melo era is over, we will move on
Fans want this team to reach real success
Not a fake hustle oscar meyer phony baloney mirage of success
We've embarked on putting 3 teams around Melo now
I don't know of any franchise who's won big
While reupholstering the rosters as much as we have
In particular doing this while having a player in his prime
gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
There are always options. Just like there were options after the trade. They should not have gave up so many assets in the Camby trade. They should have not traded for Bargnani. They should have negotiated with Lin to get him to sign a JR like contract with a player option. They should have not let it get to the poison pill stage. Maybe it would have gotten to that stage anyway. Who knows.
Anyway, I just believe that when you make a trade like that you have to be careful with the rest of your moves or you will have a .500 team. Especially, when one of your expensive pieces has health issues.
gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
One first round pick. Maybe an injury exception to sign a guy when Gallo was out for his longest span. Do the knicks resign Gallo, Chandler and Moz. Chandler has missed a lot of games as well. I think the trade is a lot better a few years in. I didn't like the trade at all when it happened.
smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.
Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.
Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is
gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.
Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.
Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is
The cap increasing only steers the onus away from Melo
Meanwhile it doesn't stop teams from having money to spend too
The cap is not going to be Dynamic for us
And Static for everyone else
gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.
Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.
Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is
Samba did a nice job of explaining what Melo should have taken less actually translates out to on page 2 of this thread.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.
Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.
Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is
Samba did a nice job of explaining what Melo should have taken less actually translates out to on page 2 of this thread.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
He only explained the difference in gap between his actual paycut and hypothetical
There have been other threads explaining better what Melo should have taken
F500ONE wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.
Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.
Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is
Samba did a nice job of explaining what Melo should have taken less actually translates out to on page 2 of this thread.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
He only explained the difference in gap between his actual paycut and hypothetical
There have been other threads explaining better what Melo should have taken
What should he have taken? I believe the amount suggested in the thread was 115 mil.
CrushAlot wrote:F500ONE wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.
Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.
Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is
Samba did a nice job of explaining what Melo should have taken less actually translates out to on page 2 of this thread.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
He only explained the difference in gap between his actual paycut and hypothetical
There have been other threads explaining better what Melo should have taken
What should he have taken? I believe the amount suggested in the thread was 115 mil.
If the cap skyrockets to $80mil it's somewhat moot what he should have taken
If the cap rises to similar trends past few yrs $65-67mil
He should have taken a big enough cut
To allow for 2 less than full max tier players or the 1 true alpha
It obvious he's not talented enough to win with comparable rosters
He's had during his career
Therefore he needs to play alongside two players
In the caliber financial bracket of 2 Paul Milsaps[filling out multiple positions]
Looks like these players command salaries between $10-15mil going forward
F500ONE wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.
Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.
Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is
The cap increasing only steers the onus away from Melo
Meanwhile it doesn't stop teams from having money to spend too
The cap is not going to be Dynamic for us
And Static for everyone else
True I'm sure other teams will make much better use of the cap increase than a Dolan owned team
F500ONE wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
Because we've graduated to the next phase
Many of us hated those moves in real time
Until the Melo era is over, we will move on
Fans want this team to reach real success
Not a fake hustle oscar meyer phony baloney mirage of success
We've embarked on putting 3 teams around Melo now
I don't know of any franchise who's won big
While reupholstering the rosters as much as we have
In particular doing this while having a player in his prime
this post is among your best contributions. +1
F500ONE wrote:CrushAlot wrote:F500ONE wrote:CrushAlot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:smackeddog wrote:gunsnewing wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:It started with signing an uninsured Amare to $100M
Then trading every asset for Melo
Picking up Billips potion
Amnestying Billups not Amare
Signing Tyson
Mistreating Lin and letting him walk for nothing
Putting our eggs all on Raymond James FeltonCan't make this shit up
Go Hornets
After amare the wasn't one single worthy FA to sign, especially after tanking for 3 yrs for the 2010 FA class-
We didn't get our 2nd star in FA from that ever so talented heavy 2010 FA class, so we did the next best thing and traded for one
Picking up billups portion, so they can make sign for tyson, why in the hell the knicks would amnesty Amare 1 yr after signing him, especially since at the time he showed no signs of breaking down.
why would the knicks sign lin with a poison pill contract (just to stick it to morey) after finally getting a little fiscal responsible with their cap.
There wasn't one single available PG better then felton at the time.
It's an unfortunate turn of events, but at the time of these moves, The knicks at little to no real options available. And after tanking for 3 years, what exactly where they suppose to do in 2010, pocket there money and tell fans it was Labron or nothing
Had we held on to some of the assets we gave up for Melo there would have been options. Too either draft players or move the our young assets for better players. We were left with Melo and Amare not fitting and swallowing the cap with little room to improve
But it's in the past- why not hold on to the Curry trade, or the McDyess trade, or the Marbury trade. Not saying you don't Acknowledge the moves you hate, but at some point you need to realise that they happened in the past and move on.
The problem is Melo did it again. Put his money ahead of the team. He even spelled it out before the season even started last year.
Hey if the cap drastically increases and we add another star or two than I will shut up.
Until then Melo is a greedy self absorbed bastard who can't win a ring. Until he proves otherwise that is who he is
Samba did a nice job of explaining what Melo should have taken less actually translates out to on page 2 of this thread.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
He only explained the difference in gap between his actual paycut and hypothetical
There have been other threads explaining better what Melo should have taken
What should he have taken? I believe the amount suggested in the thread was 115 mil.
If the cap skyrockets to $80mil it's somewhat moot what he should have taken
If the cap rises to similar trends past few yrs $65-67mil
He should have taken a big enough cut
To allow for 2 less than full max tier players or the 1 true alpha
It obvious he not talented enough to win with comparable rosters
He's had during his career
Therefore he needs to play alongside two players
In the caliber financial bracket of 2 Paul Milsaps[filling out multiple positions]
Looks like these players command salaries between $10-15mil going forward
Exactly. Good luck trying to sign those players and fit them in the cap
