Knicks · GAME THREAD: NYK @ CELTICS The start of Greatness (page 6)

I hope we sort out the defense over the course of preseason- I can't take another season of the opposing team shooting infinity percent- Smart shot what, 1-8 in the first preseason game, but against us he's red hot. I'm not making any conclusions from this game- we didn't really run our system at all. Very surprised by Wear though- I agree, cut Outlaw and keep Wear.

smackeddog wrote:I hope we sort out the defense over the course of preseason- I can't take another season of the opposing team shooting infinity percent- Smart shot what, 1-8 in the first preseason game, but against us he's red hot. I'm not making any conclusions from this game- we didn't really run our system at all. Very surprised by Wear though- I agree, cut Outlaw and keep Wear.

I agree, Wear might be a keeper, he's definitely hungry. he may provide some comp to being melo's backup. Fisher is gonna have his work cut out for him especially on the defensive end....just not enough individual defensive talent to mold together a team defense.

He hasnt really had his entire team to work om the offense either, due to guys sitting out nursing some ailments, sothats a process as well.

Uptown wrote:

nixluva wrote:The execution and trust of the system will take time but I see good signs. I really liked the energy of the Kids off the bench.

It's going to take a while for all of the players to truly grasp all nuances of the triangle. Hopefully our impatient fan-base will give the this team the cushion it needs as it grows and learns. Expect Lots of ups and downs this season as guys try to figure things out....

you mean the same impatient fanbase who are an extension of dolan, who just had to acquire a big name no matter what in summer 2010 and then just had to have melo at any cost? is it that fanbase you're referring to?

Sloppy game but its teh first preseason game so i expected that. Hardaway Jr stood out more than anyone, kid is really developing well. The young guns were a bit nervous but that will wear off and they will be more relaxed. In regards to teh triangle it looked good at times but other times we reverted back to iso ball. I still think this year will be a transition year. I do think we can make the playoffs since the East stink but id be happy devleoping some young players and getting ready to clear cap space for more taltn next year

Uptown wrote:

nixluva wrote:The execution and trust of the system will take time but I see good signs. I really liked the energy of the Kids off the bench.

It's going to take a while for all of the players to truly grasp all nuances of the triangle. Hopefully our impatient fan-base will give the this team the cushion it needs as it grows and learns. Expect Lots of ups and downs this season as guys try to figure things out....

First off our fanbase isnt impatient they just want to see the team go in the right direction which 95% of fans agree they are. Also you cant blame people for people a little bit impatient since the past 15 years for Knick fans have been pretty bad. WQe all just wnat to see this team have sustainable success

I'm patient. Im not expecting anything until 2025

It's preseason so I'm not worried... Thjr & wear stood out to me... Cut outlaw... Amare looked quick and fluid... He should be in the starting line up... Acy seems like a work in progress should he go to the d league?..cole needs more minutes with the rotation players..

fitzfarm wrote:It's preseason so I'm not worried... Thjr & wear stood out to me... Cut outlaw... Amare looked quick and fluid... He should be in the starting line up... Acy seems like a work in progress should he go to the d league?..cole needs more minutes with the rotation players..

I agree, Amare should definitely start, and wear should definitely take someones spot in the rotation.

somehow the youngings looked more trianglish in the SL, they had their rough spots, but overall they seemed to grasp it much much better then i saw yesterday.

I agree its way too early for panic mode. This looked like a game where Fisher was throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks. Very helter skelter out there.

I agree with most posters that Wear looked good, like a new and improved Novak. Acy brought energy but his jumper was ugly as hell.
THJ looks like he has been hitting the weight room and didn't play with as much reckless abandon, did a better job of picking his moments. JR looked good until he got 3pt happy again.

Bargs was making the right decisions for the most part, like when to pump fake and drive, he gets into trouble when he runs into a defender near the rim, doesn't have the footwork to compensate. Instead of going all the way to the rim, bargs should pull up for a jumper about halfway between the foul line and the rim. That kind of move would really add something to his game. Might have more success getting all the way to the rim from the baseline. Grabbed some nice boards in traffic.

Prigs is aging right in front of our eyes. Not ready to give up on Larkin yet. Might have more success with a unit he's logged more time with. Calderone looked OK. Melo didn't hold onto the ball as long as he normally does before making his move when he ISO's. This was one of the things Phil said he wanted from him. Its something Ive been writing about since he got here. Hope he keeps it up.

Dalembert was doing a nice job of protecting the rim, Cole still looks like just a big body who has some fouls to give. Didn't see enough from Early that really stood out but its early (rimshot).

It looked like a pickup game on the Knicks side, once roles are more clearly defined, the triangle is learned, and the rotation is more or less set, I expect to see a more polished squad but no threat to dethrone the Spurs. No surprise here.

Frickin game wasn't even on radio! Listening to two ESPN trolls interviewing some douche (not melo, he was busy missing shots -- boo! dktkf7/guns!) about the Orioles! The effing Orioles!

Ummm, blow it up now!

If we still had Gallo/Mayor/Moz, the Triangle would've destroyed the Celtics!

Oh the humanity! Shane is short! Bargs is rust! Jose/Pablo is old! Melo with only 10 points on 9 shots! 9 shots!!!!

tkf, where are you???? All is forgiven!!!

jrodmc wrote:Frickin game wasn't even on radio! Listening to two ESPN trolls interviewing some douche (not melo, he was busy missing shots -- boo! dktkf7/guns!) about the Orioles! The effing Orioles!

Ummm, blow it up now!

If we still had Gallo/Mayor/Moz, the Triangle would've destroyed the Celtics!

Oh the humanity! Shane is short! Bargs is rust! Jose/Pablo is old! Melo with only 10 points on 9 shots! 9 shots!!!!

tkf, where are you???? All is forgiven!!!

you need to brush up on your shakespearean fool skills. this post has served no purpose whatsoever

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Frickin game wasn't even on radio! Listening to two ESPN trolls interviewing some douche (not melo, he was busy missing shots -- boo! dktkf7/guns!) about the Orioles! The effing Orioles!

Ummm, blow it up now!

If we still had Gallo/Mayor/Moz, the Triangle would've destroyed the Celtics!

Oh the humanity! Shane is short! Bargs is rust! Jose/Pablo is old! Melo with only 10 points on 9 shots! 9 shots!!!!

tkf, where are you???? All is forgiven!!!

you need to brush up on your shakespearean fool skills. this post has served no purpose whatsoever

Right. Methinks we should all continue to protest the Trade too much. Azzhole.

jrodmc wrote:Frickin game wasn't even on radio! Listening to two ESPN trolls interviewing some douche (not melo, he was busy missing shots -- boo! dktkf7/guns!) about the Orioles! The effing Orioles!

Ummm, blow it up now!

If we still had Gallo/Mayor/Moz, the Triangle would've destroyed the Celtics!

Oh the humanity! Shane is short! Bargs is rust! Jose/Pablo is old! Melo with only 10 points on 9 shots! 9 shots!!!!

tkf, where are you???? All is forgiven!!!

I think Mosgov by the end of this year might be the number 1 center free agent prospect

Not too concerned. I didn't expect to see championship level play right outta the gate. We're gonna have to go through some growing pains here...Once things settle down, the system is learned, guys get comfortable with one another, roles are defined, Fish comes up with his rotation, etc., we'll see better play. Nobody likes getting blown out, esp. to the Celtics, but I can't get too down on what I saw last night. We get these guys again Sat. night -- looking forward to different results...First game man, things are still developing...There were some good moments:

(1) STAT looked quick and spry out there. Very assertive & decisive making his moves early on.

(2) I thought Bargs had some good moments -- scored the ball well early on and had a real nice stretch rebounding the ball before he was taken out.

(3) Nice to see Dalembert can still contribute something even though I still feel he should be behind other players in the middle.

(4) Hardaway looked good scoring the ball; handling the ball not so much. About what I expect from him.. Why was he handling it so much anyway? I don't wanna see guys like Hardaway, Early, JR Smith handling the ball as much as they did last night. Those guys are scorers--I wanna see them set up in the right spots to score the ball. Nothing more. Let the PGs bring the ball up and initiate the offense. Don't wanna see these guys having to make decisions with the ball time after time.

(5) Wear looked good. Looks very composed, aware and smart. Pretty skillful and he ran the court well...That mid-range J of his is money and overall he looks confident, like he belongs. Definitely looks like a keeper. Maybe he does make the club over Outlaw although I think they like Outlaw for depth at the 3.

(6) The turnovers will obviously come down. 30 TOs or whatever was an aberration. Not gonna get too worked up over that. I felt the PGs did a pretty good job of taking care of the ball -- a majority of the TOs came from out bigs and wing players being way too loose and careless with the rock.

(7) Still like Larkin a lot even though he didn't play particularly well. Brings so much more to the table than Prigioni imo. No way I'm gonna write him off after last night's so-so performance...Give him a little time to get settled and acclimated. Dude didn't even look for his own shot last night--he's offensive-minded, that's part of his game. I'd like to see him more aggressive next game. Not worried at all -- I've seen this guy play much better than that and know he's capable of much more.

(8) Give Acy time as well. Another guy that looked a little indecisive out there offensively although he did give good energy. Didn't fall last night but he can hit that jumper btw. He's gotta continue taking that shot if he's open.

(9) Wanna see Early much more aggressive next game as well. He was pretty invisible out there...Gotta get to a point where all of our guys are playing to their strengths.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Frickin game wasn't even on radio! Listening to two ESPN trolls interviewing some douche (not melo, he was busy missing shots -- boo! dktkf7/guns!) about the Orioles! The effing Orioles!

Ummm, blow it up now!

If we still had Gallo/Mayor/Moz, the Triangle would've destroyed the Celtics!

Oh the humanity! Shane is short! Bargs is rust! Jose/Pablo is old! Melo with only 10 points on 9 shots! 9 shots!!!!

tkf, where are you???? All is forgiven!!!

you need to brush up on your shakespearean fool skills. this post has served no purpose whatsoever

Right. Methinks we should all continue to protest the Trade too much. Azzhole.

he is going to have to have an mvp season for that kind of coin. kind of makes his contract ridiculous, just like your contributions, coxcomb.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

nixluva wrote:The execution and trust of the system will take time but I see good signs. I really liked the energy of the Kids off the bench.

It's going to take a while for all of the players to truly grasp all nuances of the triangle. Hopefully our impatient fan-base will give the this team the cushion it needs as it grows and learns. Expect Lots of ups and downs this season as guys try to figure things out....

First off our fanbase isnt impatient they just want to see the team go in the right direction which 95% of fans agree they are. Also you cant blame people for people a little bit impatient since the past 15 years for Knick fans have been pretty bad. WQe all just wnat to see this team have sustainable success

I'm even more impatient since we DOLED out

$200mil to 1 player in 4yrs who hasn't delivered jack squat

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Frickin game wasn't even on radio! Listening to two ESPN trolls interviewing some douche (not melo, he was busy missing shots -- boo! dktkf7/guns!) about the Orioles! The effing Orioles!

Ummm, blow it up now!

If we still had Gallo/Mayor/Moz, the Triangle would've destroyed the Celtics!

Oh the humanity! Shane is short! Bargs is rust! Jose/Pablo is old! Melo with only 10 points on 9 shots! 9 shots!!!!

tkf, where are you???? All is forgiven!!!

I think Mosgov by the end of this year might be the number 1 center free agent prospect

Cleveland must have turned jrod down for a job

In their front office when asked if he thought

Acquiring Mozgov would help their contention status

Can't get too excited or upset after a single preseason game, BUT a "baseline" for performance is set. Do the good things done by the team or individuals continue, and are the negatives addressed by coaches and players so they gradually disappear?

I only saw the end of the first half and most of the second, so my comments might not address certain things which happened when I was not watching.

Some guys looked like they did last year in terms of ball movement. They tried something, and if it didn't work they would pass off and then just stand there. J.R. and Hardaway did this a number of times. These are two guys who really have to buy into the system and learn to move without the ball in order to get into a position to score.

I usually give younger guys who have shown promise but have a bad game a break early in preseason. Larkin and Early both looked tentative and played with limited confidence- but I expect both to find some kind of comfort zone in this system at some point. Larkin, especially, should benefit from an offense that is supposed to reward off the ball movement.

Rookies who look good in one early preseason game have to be evaluated with a grain of salt, but Wear really did look like he belonged. Not sure if he can bang as a PF or is quick enough to play the 3, but you know that Jackson and Fisher were impressed, and I expect they will expand his role a bit to see if what he did vs Boston is what he can give them on a consistent basis.

Liked Acy on D, but he has an awkward shot. He has to hit that midrange shot to get any real minutes. Hit his free throws with no issue, so it might simply be a matter of finding a groove.

Calderon looked fine all around to me, and his shot is already there, it would seem. I hope that he can take more of a commanding role in terms of directing the offense.

Bargnani looked like he wanted to rebound, which is amazing.

Outlaw should go back to his hideout and stay there. He is supposed to be a good guy, and I hope he is better than what I have seen over the recent years and yesterday, but the guy seems to have no confidence as a player at this point, and actually seems like more of a "project" than younger players like Wear and Early.

Dalembert had his moments. The guy looks more than serviceable, even if he is not a long term solution at center.

Team D was pretty weak at times, which is something to be concerned about. Boston hit 50% from the 3- which is an aberration, IMO, but they were still too open at times. Do Sullinger and Olynyk hit 6/8 from downtown on a regular basis? Sullinger is 27% lifetime. If they shoot like this next game I might think differently, but right now I let a guy like Sullinger take the 3.

Hopefully the bad things disappear and the good things continue, but we will see.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Frickin game wasn't even on radio! Listening to two ESPN trolls interviewing some douche (not melo, he was busy missing shots -- boo! dktkf7/guns!) about the Orioles! The effing Orioles!

Ummm, blow it up now!

If we still had Gallo/Mayor/Moz, the Triangle would've destroyed the Celtics!

Oh the humanity! Shane is short! Bargs is rust! Jose/Pablo is old! Melo with only 10 points on 9 shots! 9 shots!!!!

tkf, where are you???? All is forgiven!!!

you need to brush up on your shakespearean fool skills. this post has served no purpose whatsoever

Right. Methinks we should all continue to protest the Trade too much. Azzhole.

he is going to have to have an mvp season for that kind of coin. kind of makes his contract ridiculous, just like your contributions, coxcomb.

Keep whining that same old song and critiquing everyone's paychecks; great contributions to the board.
Someday daddy will play catch with you. And Melo will come to your birthday party, azzwipe.

F500ONE wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Frickin game wasn't even on radio! Listening to two ESPN trolls interviewing some douche (not melo, he was busy missing shots -- boo! dktkf7/guns!) about the Orioles! The effing Orioles!

Ummm, blow it up now!

If we still had Gallo/Mayor/Moz, the Triangle would've destroyed the Celtics!

Oh the humanity! Shane is short! Bargs is rust! Jose/Pablo is old! Melo with only 10 points on 9 shots! 9 shots!!!!

tkf, where are you???? All is forgiven!!!

I think Mosgov by the end of this year might be the number 1 center free agent prospect

Cleveland must have turned jrod down for a job

In their front office when asked if he thought

Acquiring Mozgov would help their contention status

The Nuggets are a very good team--a team that this year has a chance to come out of the west if healthy.

BRIGGS wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Frickin game wasn't even on radio! Listening to two ESPN trolls interviewing some douche (not melo, he was busy missing shots -- boo! dktkf7/guns!) about the Orioles! The effing Orioles!

Ummm, blow it up now!

If we still had Gallo/Mayor/Moz, the Triangle would've destroyed the Celtics!

Oh the humanity! Shane is short! Bargs is rust! Jose/Pablo is old! Melo with only 10 points on 9 shots! 9 shots!!!!

tkf, where are you???? All is forgiven!!!

I think Mosgov by the end of this year might be the number 1 center free agent prospect

Cleveland must have turned jrod down for a job

In their front office when asked if he thought

Acquiring Mozgov would help their contention status

The Nuggets are a very good team--a team that this year has a chance to come out of the west if healthy.

They have the talent, what I think will hold them back

Is Brian Shaw and their front office not making a trade

They have too many players who deserve playing time

They need to free up minutes by eliminating bodies

Acquire assets for the future to keep adding to the fold

Gary Harris and Eric Green a great finds by them

They also may have Omir Asik's distant cousin on their team in Orukic