Knicks · [J.R. Smith Says Triangle Is Trickonometry] (page 1)

According to J.R. Smith, it might not be until January.

J.R. Smith admitted the Knicks will probably need until January to nail down the triangle offense.

"It's going to take a few months," Smith said after the Knicks' 20-point loss to Boston in their preseason debut. "Over the course of the year, understanding where everybody is going to be, [understanding that] 'some like it here, [some] like it like that.' It's going to take awhile."

Smith's view mirrors that of coach Derek Fisher and president Phil Jackson, who both said during training camp that it will take awhile for the Knicks to get comfortable in the triangle.

But Smith is the first Knick to put a semidefinitive timetable on just how long the process may take.

The Knicks didn't look good in their first night running the offense, shooting just 41 percent from the floor and turning the ball over 28 times.

"I thought we went out there and started thinking too much instead of just playing," said Smith, who had seven points in his triangle debut. "We have to put a little more trust in our front-office people. ... They set this team around the type of players we are, and we have to trust our instincts a little more and just play. We all know how to get into our offense and just play the right way. It's just a matter of when we get into it if they take something away, don't get too anxious or too nervous and turn the ball over."

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Hey Nix he's predicting January

When the team will feel comfortable playing in it

Wouldn't this suggest a possible slow start

He says the curve is at least 2-3mos

Did you see this slow start learning curve

Is Smith speaking for himself or the rest of the Wiz Kids

So before we factor scheduling, proper rotations,

Maybe even possible injuries and whatnot do you think

Anaylytics and Sambermetricians factored

2-3 maybe even 4mos learning curve

We know how you feel about not being able to

Predict the unknown early on

You can't win 50gms with this kind of slow curve

This season is irrelevant in terms of record and making or missing the playoffs. It's about establishing a winning culture for the players who will survive the purge.

So that our draft picks and free agents don't come into a circus atmosphere. Instead they become part of an organization that goes about things the right way like the Spurs etc

At least they have a top 10 defense....not!!!

But seriously though, the learning curve was expected, and there is no guarantee that the triangle is even a fit to the collection of players at the moment. Only time shall provide the answer. And thats why I temper expectations.

My question though is...how do you establish a winning culture while losing games?

You know we have some explosive players. I dont see the difficulty in saying post here cut here pass here. And if it isnt fluid--modify on the run so the game is fluid.

If we have Amare at C Carmelo at PF J R Smith at SF Hardaway @ SG and Calderon at PG--we could play very fast and score a lot of points.

Where did he say that? Read the article and didn't see the thread quote. Begley did say that Smith is echoing what Fisher is saying about the adjustment timeline for the new offense. Did Smith coin the term trickonometry or is that yours?

CrushAlot wrote:Where did he say that? Read the article and didn't see the thread quote. Begley did say that Smith is echoing what Fisher is saying about the adjustment timeline for the new offense. Did Smith coin the term trickonometry or is that yours?

Season officially starts in November

Technically starts in October

Smith says...

"It's going to take a few months," Smith said after the Knicks' 20-point loss to Boston in their preseason debut

November 1mos

Dec 2mos

January 3mos

Not sure Smith could count out that far

All there in black and white for you Crush

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Where did he say that? Read the article and didn't see the thread quote. Begley did say that Smith is echoing what Fisher is saying about the adjustment timeline for the new offense. Did Smith coin the term trickonometry or is that yours?

Season officially starts in November

Technically starts in October

Smith says...

"It's going to take a few months," Smith said after the Knicks' 20-point loss to Boston in their preseason debut

November 1mos

Dec 2mos

January 3mos

Not sure Smith could count out that far

All there in black and white for you Crush

Trickonometry is your term then.

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Where did he say that? Read the article and didn't see the thread quote. Begley did say that Smith is echoing what Fisher is saying about the adjustment timeline for the new offense. Did Smith coin the term trickonometry or is that yours?

Season officially starts in November

Technically starts in October

Smith says...

"It's going to take a few months," Smith said after the Knicks' 20-point loss to Boston in their preseason debut

November 1mos

Dec 2mos

January 3mos

Not sure Smith could count out that far

All there in black and white for you Crush

Trickonometry is your term then.

Yeah a play on Trigonometry

More than Rudimentary mathematical basketball system

Appears pretty sophisticated to run it

Calderon spoke to this also

What i saw yesterday was our players trying to run the triangle, getting confuse, and resorting back to ISO's.
They were folding like a cheap tents after the initial play was defended.

I just hope we don't live and die by the triangle.

Who thought it wouldn't take time?

Great thread title. Downhill from there.

knicks1248 wrote:What i saw yesterday was our players trying to run the triangle, getting confuse, and resorting back to ISO's.
They were folding like a cheap tents after the initial play was defended.

I just hope we don't live and die by the triangle.

Why? It not like we are missing anything. It takes time to build chemistry. Not like the team had great chemistry and not its gone.

Live and die because it works when it happens!!!!!

Losing is learning.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:What i saw yesterday was our players trying to run the triangle, getting confuse, and resorting back to ISO's.
They were folding like a cheap tents after the initial play was defended.

I just hope we don't live and die by the triangle.

Why? It not like we are missing anything. It takes time to build chemistry. Not like the team had great chemistry and not its gone.

Live and die because it works when it happens!!!!!

Losing is learning.

I wouldn't say losing is learning. More like losing while learning is not really losing. The Knicks last year showed us it's very easy to lose and learn absolutely nothing, repeating the same mistakes every game.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:What i saw yesterday was our players trying to run the triangle, getting confuse, and resorting back to ISO's.
They were folding like a cheap tents after the initial play was defended.

I just hope we don't live and die by the triangle.

Why? It not like we are missing anything. It takes time to build chemistry. Not like the team had great chemistry and not its gone.

Live and die because it works when it happens!!!!!

Losing is learning.

You still have to find away to win games, Jr was absolutely right when he said they were thinking to much. When you turn the ball over 28 times in a game, you have major, major chemistry issues.

Over passing and being too unselfish, thinking too hard, guys not cutting right because they don't know where they should be.

I remember Artest saying it took him damn near a season to figure it out when he played with the lakers.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:What i saw yesterday was our players trying to run the triangle, getting confuse, and resorting back to ISO's.
They were folding like a cheap tents after the initial play was defended.

I just hope we don't live and die by the triangle.

Why? It not like we are missing anything. It takes time to build chemistry. Not like the team had great chemistry and not its gone.

Live and die because it works when it happens!!!!!

Losing is learning.

You still have to find away to win games, Jr was absolutely right when he said they were thinking to much. When you turn the ball over 28 times in a game, you have major, major chemistry issues.

Over passing and being too unselfish, thinking too hard, guys not cutting right because they don't know where they should be.

I remember Artest saying it took him damn near a season to figure it out when he played with the lakers.

-->I remember Artest saying it took him damn near a season to figure it out when he played with the lakers.

The Lakers won 67 games and a championship in Phil's first year.(3rd highest win total in league history)

Jr Smith is not the right person to take a quote from when it comes to anything basketball related.

Right now Thjr might end up taking that starting spot. Best players should start. If it's too hard for him, learn from the bench bitch

EnySpree wrote:Jr Smith is not the right person to take a quote from when it comes to anything basketball related.

Right now Thjr might end up taking that starting spot. Best players should start. If it's too hard for him, learn from the bench bitch

I agree Hardaway should start. I think he is going to be the driving force of the Knicks this year. Melo will do his thing and Hardaway will do his.

Dagger wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:What i saw yesterday was our players trying to run the triangle, getting confuse, and resorting back to ISO's.
They were folding like a cheap tents after the initial play was defended.

I just hope we don't live and die by the triangle.

Why? It not like we are missing anything. It takes time to build chemistry. Not like the team had great chemistry and not its gone.

Live and die because it works when it happens!!!!!

Losing is learning.

I wouldn't say losing is learning. More like losing while learning is not really losing. The Knicks last year showed us it's very easy to lose and learn absolutely nothing, repeating the same mistakes every game.

yellowboy90 wrote:Who thought it wouldn't take time?

Exactly- the naysayers are now trying to hype up the team early so that they can act all surprised and complain when we get off to the predictably slow start!

markvmc wrote:Great thread title. Downhill from there.

+1

New Poll - which Somberite is actually going to be the first

to create the " 'Official' Blow it Up Now" thread?

What's the over/under on each one?

If you had to pick one person on the team

You would obviously give tons of credibility

to JR Smith's ability to tell time.

JR is speaking his mind... so anyone can see how beautiful it is.
The people who really know the deal with triangle are keeping quiet.
They know that this is a question of who not when.
Youth can learn in couple of seasons and we can get vets who already new how to play in this system.
And both is deferentially not this season and not even next.
JRs timetable is laughable.