From what I read Phil isn't down on Bargs or Larkin at all. It seems to me he has a good sense of their strengths and weaknesses. He understands the best way to use Bargs and if he gets healthy I would expect he'll be used quite a bit. Larkin has his issues being smaller but Phil seems to really like him.
Galloway and Wear are clearly guys he wants to develop for the future. I think they fit based on what i've seen and i'm hoping Wear can get a chance to stay rather than holding on to Outlaw who is IMO the least useful player on the roster. He's so limited that I can't see how we can justify having him around. With the exception of maybe Phil feels Wear isn't ready.
It seems now we know why Cole isn't playing much. It doesn't seem like Phil is seeing him as much more than a pure backup who is out of the rotation.
lol
Referring to Bargs as a "deadly shooter"
And that he'll "thrive" in the triangle
F500ONE wrote:lol
Referring to Bargs as a "deadly shooter"
And that he'll "thrive" in the triangle
What Phil said is accurate. Bargs is a very good PnP midrange shooter and the Triangle would give him plenty of shots in his sweet zone. From 20' in Bargs is a very good shooter. He needs touches and as the year went on he got the ball less and that's not good for his getting a feel for his shot.
nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:lol
Referring to Bargs as a "deadly shooter"
And that he'll "thrive" in the triangle
What Phil said is accurate. Bargs is a very good PnP midrange shooter and the Triangle would give him plenty of shots in his sweet zone. From 20' in Bargs is a very good shooter. He needs touches and as the year went on he got the ball less and that's not good for his getting a feel for his shot.
No Bargnani had 1 good yr under Woodson's ISO system
Where he shot well from 20ft
For Phil to use this sample size season
And surmise it for his career is foolishness
Stats don't lie look at Bargs numbers from season to season around 20ft
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.htm...
gunsnewing wrote:Doesn't sound as high on amare and bargnani as he is on THJ and wear
but he flat out says they want to play Amare 32 minutes a game. 4 rotations of 8 minutes
fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Doesn't sound as high on amare and bargnani as he is on THJ and wear
but he flat out says they want to play Amare 32 minutes a game. 4 rotations of 8 minutes
Yeah and he said he wants to send Wear to the D-League
Maybe guns was being sarcy
Phil is excellent with the mind games. These assessments are old, but Phil makes sure they roll out exactly one week before the season starts.
knickscity wrote:Phil is excellent with the mind games. These assessments are old, but Phil makes sure they roll out exactly one week before the season starts.
Old to us, but casual knicks fans who don't have the luxury of watching every game, and reading every article, or following summer league and paying attn to the drafts, we'll find this info "very good to know"
His assessment is pretty spot on, and if it's not accurate in some of your eyes, it's not far off by any stretch.
fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Doesn't sound as high on amare and bargnani as he is on THJ and wear
but he flat out says they want to play Amare 32 minutes a game. 4 rotations of 8 minutes
lol, some people have their own theory
fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Doesn't sound as high on amare and bargnani as he is on THJ and wear
but he flat out says they want to play Amare 32 minutes a game. 4 rotations of 8 minutes
Fair enough. I will believe it when I see it
knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:Phil is excellent with the mind games. These assessments are old, but Phil makes sure they roll out exactly one week before the season starts.
Old to us, but casual knicks fans who don't have the luxury of watching every game, and reading every article, or following summer league and paying attn to the drafts, we'll find this info "very good to know"
His assessment is pretty spot on, and if it's not accurate in some of your eyes, it's not far off by any stretch.
I actually think this was put out for the players to read.
F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:lol
Referring to Bargs as a "deadly shooter"
And that he'll "thrive" in the triangle
What Phil said is accurate. Bargs is a very good PnP midrange shooter and the Triangle would give him plenty of shots in his sweet zone. From 20' in Bargs is a very good shooter. He needs touches and as the year went on he got the ball less and that's not good for his getting a feel for his shot.
No Bargnani had 1 good yr under Woodson's ISO system
Where he shot well from 20ft
For Phil to use this sample size season
And surmise it for his career is foolishness
Stats don't lie look at Bargs numbers from season to season around 20ft
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.htm...
You have to dig deeper when looking at someones stats and what their actual capabilities are. The year before we got Bargs was his worst year and it was also a season without Calderon. Things changed a lot that seasson. However if you look at the year before that you can at least see some aspects of what Bargs can do when he's going good.
The way in which Phil is looking to play Bargs fits with his skills and strengths. It's exactly what I was highlighting last year before the season about how we should use Bargs.
I know it's easy to hate on Bargs and he's not a complete player, but he could fit into a role on a team and be coached up to limit his flaws. IMO a coach has to care tho. It seems to me that Fish does care and will try to coach all his players to work on their flaws. If they can focus Bargs that could raise his value out of the basement by the time they get to the deadline.
nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:lol
Referring to Bargs as a "deadly shooter"
And that he'll "thrive" in the triangle
What Phil said is accurate. Bargs is a very good PnP midrange shooter and the Triangle would give him plenty of shots in his sweet zone. From 20' in Bargs is a very good shooter. He needs touches and as the year went on he got the ball less and that's not good for his getting a feel for his shot.
No Bargnani had 1 good yr under Woodson's ISO system
Where he shot well from 20ft
For Phil to use this sample size season
And surmise it for his career is foolishness
Stats don't lie look at Bargs numbers from season to season around 20ft
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.htm...
You have to dig deeper when looking at someones stats and what their actual capabilities are. The year before we got Bargs was his worst year and it was also a season without Calderon. Things changed a lot that seasson. However if you look at the year before that you can at least see some aspects of what Bargs can do when he's going good.
The way in which Phil is looking to play Bargs fits with his skills and strengths. It's exactly what I was highlighting last year before the season about how we should use Bargs.
I know it's easy to hate on Bargs and he's not a complete player, but he could fit into a role on a team and be coached up to limit his flaws. IMO a coach has to care tho. It seems to me that Fish does care and will try to coach all his players to work on their flaws. If they can focus Bargs that could raise his value out of the basement by the time they get to the deadline.
Bargnani will always remain our most unpredictable player, but i really believe Phil thinks he can find his game in this offense. The lack of spacing with Amare on the floor makes it difficult to play him big minutes with Melo. He will be on the court 100% of the time Melo is not most likely. They will play spot minutes together. But i really believe for Bargnani its his starting spot to lose once he is healthy and they will try like crazy to make him the second option on this team and fulfill as much of his potential as possible. I don't think they have ruled out not resigning him next season too. He just seems like the type of guy they really believe they can work with. He is the true x-factor for this team. He offers the balance that this team needs for this offense.
knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:Phil is excellent with the mind games. These assessments are old, but Phil makes sure they roll out exactly one week before the season starts.
Old to us, but casual knicks fans who don't have the luxury of watching every game, and reading every article, or following summer league and paying attn to the drafts, we'll find this info "very good to know"
His assessment is pretty spot on, and if it's not accurate in some of your eyes, it's not far off by any stretch.
I actually think this was put out for the players to read.
Would that be a Bad thing? As far as some of the flaws in each player that he points out, I don't think anyone can argue it, including the player.
knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:Phil is excellent with the mind games. These assessments are old, but Phil makes sure they roll out exactly one week before the season starts.
Old to us, but casual knicks fans who don't have the luxury of watching every game, and reading every article, or following summer league and paying attn to the drafts, we'll find this info "very good to know"
His assessment is pretty spot on, and if it's not accurate in some of your eyes, it's not far off by any stretch.
I actually think this was put out for the players to read.
Would that be a Bad thing? As far as some of the flaws in each player that he points out, I don't think anyone can argue it, including the player.
It's typical Phil imo. Whether it's good or bad depends on how the players themselves take it. The fans arent part of this equation imo.
knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:Phil is excellent with the mind games. These assessments are old, but Phil makes sure they roll out exactly one week before the season starts.
Old to us, but casual knicks fans who don't have the luxury of watching every game, and reading every article, or following summer league and paying attn to the drafts, we'll find this info "very good to know"
His assessment is pretty spot on, and if it's not accurate in some of your eyes, it's not far off by any stretch.
I actually think this was put out for the players to read.
Would that be a Bad thing? As far as some of the flaws in each player that he points out, I don't think anyone can argue it, including the player.
It's typical Phil imo. Whether it's good or bad depends on how the players themselves take it. The fans arent part of this equation imo.
I think it plays a part for both
Although I think you're right Phil is trying to
Mindfulness molest them into doing better
What Phil may have not factored is his critique of scouting
He's showing small signs of preference and
Projecting it into the scouting report
Oh and the last I checked the Triangle
Is not a Pick and Pop system and Bargs isn't deadly from 20ft and in
F500ONE wrote:knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:knicks1248 wrote:knickscity wrote:Phil is excellent with the mind games. These assessments are old, but Phil makes sure they roll out exactly one week before the season starts.
Old to us, but casual knicks fans who don't have the luxury of watching every game, and reading every article, or following summer league and paying attn to the drafts, we'll find this info "very good to know"
His assessment is pretty spot on, and if it's not accurate in some of your eyes, it's not far off by any stretch.
I actually think this was put out for the players to read.
Would that be a Bad thing? As far as some of the flaws in each player that he points out, I don't think anyone can argue it, including the player.
It's typical Phil imo. Whether it's good or bad depends on how the players themselves take it. The fans arent part of this equation imo.
I think it plays a part for both
Although I think you're right Phil is trying
Mindfulness molest them into doing better
What Phil may have not factored is his critique of scouting
He showing small signs of preference and
Projecting it into the scouting report
Oh and the last I checked the Triangle
Is not a Pick and Pop system and Bargs isn't deadly from 20ft and in
There are lots of open midrange shots which is the point of the PnP. I mean really do I have to even explain that? What are you gonna play the petty nitpicking game now?
Spot up play types constituted for 37.5% of his offense that season. In fact, the Italian-born big man shot 46.3% while tallying 1.111 PPP for the season.The guy can hit shots from the perimeter. That’s no illusion. The numbers not only back that claim, but they indicate that he has proven to add to an already solid shooting skill set with efficiency each season. At the close of the 2009-10 NBA season, Bargnani registered 121 three-point makes many come via spot up opportunities. As he progressed and expanded his game to incorporate more Pick and Pop opportunities, as you can see from the charts listed above, from season to season he got better. His improvement in not only spotting up from the perimeter, but from connecting on Pick and Pop chances simply cannot be ignored.
There's actually as game on tonite...
Lol at no gamethread for it.
knickscity wrote:There's actually as game on tonite...Lol at no gamethread for it.
Yea. I don't get the point of giving everyone a chance to start. Makes is seem like Fish is afraid to hurt the veterans feelings
Only 1 more game. We should have a starting 5 by now
dalembert
acy
melo
shump
calderon
