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nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:If you do a rough comparison of the rosters of the Raptors and the Knicks in terms of scoring it's not like the Knicks are way off. The scores from Last year are mostly lower than normal for the Knicks role players as we all know the Knicks struggled offensively last year and most played below their career averages. IMO it's not unrealistic to think these guys can be more productive in this system as they get adjusted and build chemistry. STAT and JR were really playing well at the end of last year and were both scoring well. It's going to be important for Fish to get them comfortable in this system cuz if he does that makes this team much more potent. Right now it looks worse than it should with guys struggling to get comfortable but there is a lot of room for upside with this roster.
1. Carmelo Anthony 27.1 DeMar DeRozan 22.7
2. J.R. Smith 14.5 Kyle Lowry 17.9
3. Andrea Bargnani 13.3 Jonas Valanciunas 11.3
4. Amar'e Stoudemire 11.9 Terrence Ross 10.9
5. Jose Calderon 11.3 Louis Williams 10.4
6. Tim Hardaway 10.2 Amir Johnson 10.4
7. Jason Smith 9.7 Greivis Vasquez 9.5
8. Iman Shumpert 6.7 Patrick Patterson 9.1
9. Samuel Dalembert 6.6 James Johnson 7.9
10 Travis Outlaw 5.4 Jordan Hamilton 6.7
11. Pablo Prigioni 3.8 Tyler Hansbrough 4.9
12. Quincy Acy 2.7 Landry Fields 2.3
13. Shane Larkin 2.8 Greg Stiemsma 2.9
14. Cole Aldrich 2.0 Chuck Hayes 2.2
What you continue to fail at is factoringThe advantages of other teams
In this case the Raptors do notHave to learn a new system, they know what Casey expects
They don't have a 1st year coach
They have a system they've won inThey are more familiar with each other
They have players on an uptick like Val and DemarThey added a proven scorer in Lou Williams
Oh and our schedule out the gate is brutalConsidering we have lots of adjusting to do
The league is much better nowAll of this is true but it doesn't mean the Knicks can't reach their maximum potential, which IMO is still higher than that of the Raptors. You may believe in DeRozan, Lowry and Jonas somehow being a top team in the East but I don't. I actually think they aren't going to be so much better that they will be able to hold off the Knicks. I like DeRozan a lot. I think he's clearly the teams best player and is growing to his full potential. I think Jonas will be a little better but I don't think of him as a dominant big. Lowry IMO is going to level off at about what he was last year and maybe a bit less this year after getting his money. Lou Williams is OK. Good 6th man but let's not get carried away either. They're a well coached team that has good chemistry.
Here's the thing I believe that even last year when the Knicks were atrocious they were competitive with the Raptors. Right now the Knicks even at this shaky stage are competitive with the Raptors. However, when the Knicks get it together I think they're better than the Raptors and that's where we differ. I don't believe the Raptors ceiling is higher than the Knicks. Last year to close the season the Knicks finally started playing closer to their real potential and they went 16-7. That was last year with a more flawed roster and worse system on O and D. I think this roster is better and makes more sense in light of the better system on O and D this year. I think we clearly have better coaching and leadership this year. That's what I think the doubters are missing.
Despite the shakiness, this team is going to be better than last year by a lot. Yes they have a tough opening schedule. That still doesn't mean they can't win games.
In regards to Lowry, I love the way the guy goes all out and would have loved him on the Knicks. That being said he has struggled to stay healthy for almost his entire career. Last year was more the exception then the rule for him. If he can sustain his level of play and health from last year that would be fantastic for the raptors. Not sure that he can do that. Part of it is just his style of play.
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:If you do a rough comparison of the rosters of the Raptors and the Knicks in terms of scoring it's not like the Knicks are way off. The scores from Last year are mostly lower than normal for the Knicks role players as we all know the Knicks struggled offensively last year and most played below their career averages. IMO it's not unrealistic to think these guys can be more productive in this system as they get adjusted and build chemistry. STAT and JR were really playing well at the end of last year and were both scoring well. It's going to be important for Fish to get them comfortable in this system cuz if he does that makes this team much more potent. Right now it looks worse than it should with guys struggling to get comfortable but there is a lot of room for upside with this roster.
1. Carmelo Anthony 27.1 DeMar DeRozan 22.7
2. J.R. Smith 14.5 Kyle Lowry 17.9
3. Andrea Bargnani 13.3 Jonas Valanciunas 11.3
4. Amar'e Stoudemire 11.9 Terrence Ross 10.9
5. Jose Calderon 11.3 Louis Williams 10.4
6. Tim Hardaway 10.2 Amir Johnson 10.4
7. Jason Smith 9.7 Greivis Vasquez 9.5
8. Iman Shumpert 6.7 Patrick Patterson 9.1
9. Samuel Dalembert 6.6 James Johnson 7.9
10 Travis Outlaw 5.4 Jordan Hamilton 6.7
11. Pablo Prigioni 3.8 Tyler Hansbrough 4.9
12. Quincy Acy 2.7 Landry Fields 2.3
13. Shane Larkin 2.8 Greg Stiemsma 2.9
14. Cole Aldrich 2.0 Chuck Hayes 2.2
What you continue to fail at is factoringThe advantages of other teams
In this case the Raptors do notHave to learn a new system, they know what Casey expects
They don't have a 1st year coach
They have a system they've won inThey are more familiar with each other
They have players on an uptick like Val and DemarThey added a proven scorer in Lou Williams
Oh and our schedule out the gate is brutalConsidering we have lots of adjusting to do
The league is much better nowAll of this is true but it doesn't mean the Knicks can't reach their maximum potential, which IMO is still higher than that of the Raptors. You may believe in DeRozan, Lowry and Jonas somehow being a top team in the East but I don't. I actually think they aren't going to be so much better that they will be able to hold off the Knicks. I like DeRozan a lot. I think he's clearly the teams best player and is growing to his full potential. I think Jonas will be a little better but I don't think of him as a dominant big. Lowry IMO is going to level off at about what he was last year and maybe a bit less this year after getting his money. Lou Williams is OK. Good 6th man but let's not get carried away either. They're a well coached team that has good chemistry.
Here's the thing I believe that even last year when the Knicks were atrocious they were competitive with the Raptors. Right now the Knicks even at this shaky stage are competitive with the Raptors. However, when the Knicks get it together I think they're better than the Raptors and that's where we differ. I don't believe the Raptors ceiling is higher than the Knicks. Last year to close the season the Knicks finally started playing closer to their real potential and they went 16-7. That was last year with a more flawed roster and worse system on O and D. I think this roster is better and makes more sense in light of the better system on O and D this year. I think we clearly have better coaching and leadership this year. That's what I think the doubters are missing.
Despite the shakiness, this team is going to be better than last year by a lot. Yes they have a tough opening schedule. That still doesn't mean they can't win games.
In regards to Lowry, I love the way the guy goes all out and would have loved him on the Knicks. That being said he has struggled to stay healthy for almost his entire career. Last year was more the exception then the rule for him. If he can sustain his level of play and health from last year that would be fantastic for the raptors. Not sure that he can do that. Part of it is just his style of play.
I agree. Lowry can play, but guys with his body type similar to Felton have a hard time sustaining the high effort level it takes to move that extra weight around. It's like an NFL running back who goes hard for 3 years and then that's it. They burn out fast or get injured putting so much stress on their joints. When you weigh a lot and make hard cuts it's gonna wear on your body. I could be wrong, but that's the sense I get. I'm not a fan of the RB build. The soccer body type PG's tend to be able to run all day and for years.
“I just can’t wait until the season starts,” Tony Parker said. “This was preseason, and it doesn’t mean anything.”
CrushAlot wrote:“I just can’t wait until the season starts,” Tony Parker said. “This was preseason, and it doesn’t mean anything.”
A proven champion and Finals MVP
Has the liberty to say this
No one on this team better not
Even think to say this publicly
F500ONE wrote:CrushAlot wrote:“I just can’t wait until the season starts,” Tony Parker said. “This was preseason, and it doesn’t mean anything.”A proven champion and Finals MVP
Has the liberty to say this
No one on this team better notEven think to say this publicly
He just won another title this year, he might be still on the bubbly.
nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:If you do a rough comparison of the rosters of the Raptors and the Knicks in terms of scoring it's not like the Knicks are way off. The scores from Last year are mostly lower than normal for the Knicks role players as we all know the Knicks struggled offensively last year and most played below their career averages. IMO it's not unrealistic to think these guys can be more productive in this system as they get adjusted and build chemistry. STAT and JR were really playing well at the end of last year and were both scoring well. It's going to be important for Fish to get them comfortable in this system cuz if he does that makes this team much more potent. Right now it looks worse than it should with guys struggling to get comfortable but there is a lot of room for upside with this roster.
1. Carmelo Anthony 27.1 DeMar DeRozan 22.7
2. J.R. Smith 14.5 Kyle Lowry 17.9
3. Andrea Bargnani 13.3 Jonas Valanciunas 11.3
4. Amar'e Stoudemire 11.9 Terrence Ross 10.9
5. Jose Calderon 11.3 Louis Williams 10.4
6. Tim Hardaway 10.2 Amir Johnson 10.4
7. Jason Smith 9.7 Greivis Vasquez 9.5
8. Iman Shumpert 6.7 Patrick Patterson 9.1
9. Samuel Dalembert 6.6 James Johnson 7.9
10 Travis Outlaw 5.4 Jordan Hamilton 6.7
11. Pablo Prigioni 3.8 Tyler Hansbrough 4.9
12. Quincy Acy 2.7 Landry Fields 2.3
13. Shane Larkin 2.8 Greg Stiemsma 2.9
14. Cole Aldrich 2.0 Chuck Hayes 2.2
What you continue to fail at is factoringThe advantages of other teams
In this case the Raptors do notHave to learn a new system, they know what Casey expects
They don't have a 1st year coach
They have a system they've won inThey are more familiar with each other
They have players on an uptick like Val and DemarThey added a proven scorer in Lou Williams
Oh and our schedule out the gate is brutalConsidering we have lots of adjusting to do
The league is much better nowAll of this is true but it doesn't mean the Knicks can't reach their maximum potential, which IMO is still higher than that of the Raptors. You may believe in DeRozan, Lowry and Jonas somehow being a top team in the East but I don't. I actually think they aren't going to be so much better that they will be able to hold off the Knicks. I like DeRozan a lot. I think he's clearly the teams best player and is growing to his full potential. I think Jonas will be a little better but I don't think of him as a dominant big. Lowry IMO is going to level off at about what he was last year and maybe a bit less this year after getting his money. Lou Williams is OK. Good 6th man but let's not get carried away either. They're a well coached team that has good chemistry.
Here's the thing I believe that even last year when the Knicks were atrocious they were competitive with the Raptors. Right now the Knicks even at this shaky stage are competitive with the Raptors. However, when the Knicks get it together I think they're better than the Raptors and that's where we differ. I don't believe the Raptors ceiling is higher than the Knicks. Last year to close the season the Knicks finally started playing closer to their real potential and they went 16-7. That was last year with a more flawed roster and worse system on O and D. I think this roster is better and makes more sense in light of the better system on O and D this year. I think we clearly have better coaching and leadership this year. That's what I think the doubters are missing.
Despite the shakiness, this team is going to be better than last year by a lot. Yes they have a tough opening schedule. That still doesn't mean they can't win games.
I will undress this post tomorrow
I'm hitting the sack
But to give you a clue about taking
Sample sizes out of a season and Where I'll be headed
Amongst other poor examples of your Pom-Pom ridiculousness
Think of Raptors before and after////// huge clue
The Raptors are a good team, better than folks give them credit for. they have a good offense and a solid defense...both top 10 ranked. What they didnt have was playoff experience,,,,they have that now.
F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:If you do a rough comparison of the rosters of the Raptors and the Knicks in terms of scoring it's not like the Knicks are way off. The scores from Last year are mostly lower than normal for the Knicks role players as we all know the Knicks struggled offensively last year and most played below their career averages. IMO it's not unrealistic to think these guys can be more productive in this system as they get adjusted and build chemistry. STAT and JR were really playing well at the end of last year and were both scoring well. It's going to be important for Fish to get them comfortable in this system cuz if he does that makes this team much more potent. Right now it looks worse than it should with guys struggling to get comfortable but there is a lot of room for upside with this roster.
1. Carmelo Anthony 27.1 DeMar DeRozan 22.7
2. J.R. Smith 14.5 Kyle Lowry 17.9
3. Andrea Bargnani 13.3 Jonas Valanciunas 11.3
4. Amar'e Stoudemire 11.9 Terrence Ross 10.9
5. Jose Calderon 11.3 Louis Williams 10.4
6. Tim Hardaway 10.2 Amir Johnson 10.4
7. Jason Smith 9.7 Greivis Vasquez 9.5
8. Iman Shumpert 6.7 Patrick Patterson 9.1
9. Samuel Dalembert 6.6 James Johnson 7.9
10 Travis Outlaw 5.4 Jordan Hamilton 6.7
11. Pablo Prigioni 3.8 Tyler Hansbrough 4.9
12. Quincy Acy 2.7 Landry Fields 2.3
13. Shane Larkin 2.8 Greg Stiemsma 2.9
14. Cole Aldrich 2.0 Chuck Hayes 2.2
What you continue to fail at is factoringThe advantages of other teams
In this case the Raptors do notHave to learn a new system, they know what Casey expects
They don't have a 1st year coach
They have a system they've won inThey are more familiar with each other
They have players on an uptick like Val and DemarThey added a proven scorer in Lou Williams
Oh and our schedule out the gate is brutalConsidering we have lots of adjusting to do
The league is much better nowAll of this is true but it doesn't mean the Knicks can't reach their maximum potential, which IMO is still higher than that of the Raptors. You may believe in DeRozan, Lowry and Jonas somehow being a top team in the East but I don't. I actually think they aren't going to be so much better that they will be able to hold off the Knicks. I like DeRozan a lot. I think he's clearly the teams best player and is growing to his full potential. I think Jonas will be a little better but I don't think of him as a dominant big. Lowry IMO is going to level off at about what he was last year and maybe a bit less this year after getting his money. Lou Williams is OK. Good 6th man but let's not get carried away either. They're a well coached team that has good chemistry.
Here's the thing I believe that even last year when the Knicks were atrocious they were competitive with the Raptors. Right now the Knicks even at this shaky stage are competitive with the Raptors. However, when the Knicks get it together I think they're better than the Raptors and that's where we differ. I don't believe the Raptors ceiling is higher than the Knicks. Last year to close the season the Knicks finally started playing closer to their real potential and they went 16-7. That was last year with a more flawed roster and worse system on O and D. I think this roster is better and makes more sense in light of the better system on O and D this year. I think we clearly have better coaching and leadership this year. That's what I think the doubters are missing.
Despite the shakiness, this team is going to be better than last year by a lot. Yes they have a tough opening schedule. That still doesn't mean they can't win games.
I will undress this post tomorrowI'm hitting the sack
But to give you a clue about takingSample sizes out of a season and Where I'll be headed
Amongst other poor examples of your Pom-Pom ridiculousnessThink of Raptors before and after////// huge clue
The Knicks keep improving
every game.
It was only preseason.
The Spurs only won 2 games.
Lets see what happens
in the regular season
the preseason is ////
I feel handicapped posting
like this //// like
Shump on offense
Daly is better than
the dpoy hyped and
legend? not
sure. But this style
is ////up and I hate it.
knickscity wrote:Honestly, I've gotten used to the typing style, especially since it was explained why he does it. The car make not look so great on the outside, but it runs well and serves it's purpose.Do you think
if everyone at
UK posted like
this that Martin and
//// would add any new
posters to the ////?
Or do you /////
that guys would flee to
real//?
CrushAlot wrote:knickscity wrote:Honestly, I've gotten used to the typing style, especially since it was explained why he does it. The car make not look so great on the outside, but it runs well and serves it's purpose.Do you thinkif everyone at
UK posted like
this that Martin and
//// would add any new
posters to the ////?
Or do you /////
that guys would flee to
real//?
I honestly have no issue with it. His explanantion for why he does it is ok with me. I care more about the quality of the actual post. He usually makes good points so no issue with me.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/team-...
knickscity wrote:Hawks dont make even though they get Horford back? not even gonna read the rationale with that one.Teague has played great in the preseason. OC is objective but not informed
CrushAlot wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:If you do a rough comparison of the rosters of the Raptors and the Knicks in terms of scoring it's not like the Knicks are way off. The scores from Last year are mostly lower than normal for the Knicks role players as we all know the Knicks struggled offensively last year and most played below their career averages. IMO it's not unrealistic to think these guys can be more productive in this system as they get adjusted and build chemistry. STAT and JR were really playing well at the end of last year and were both scoring well. It's going to be important for Fish to get them comfortable in this system cuz if he does that makes this team much more potent. Right now it looks worse than it should with guys struggling to get comfortable but there is a lot of room for upside with this roster.
1. Carmelo Anthony 27.1 DeMar DeRozan 22.7
2. J.R. Smith 14.5 Kyle Lowry 17.9
3. Andrea Bargnani 13.3 Jonas Valanciunas 11.3
4. Amar'e Stoudemire 11.9 Terrence Ross 10.9
5. Jose Calderon 11.3 Louis Williams 10.4
6. Tim Hardaway 10.2 Amir Johnson 10.4
7. Jason Smith 9.7 Greivis Vasquez 9.5
8. Iman Shumpert 6.7 Patrick Patterson 9.1
9. Samuel Dalembert 6.6 James Johnson 7.9
10 Travis Outlaw 5.4 Jordan Hamilton 6.7
11. Pablo Prigioni 3.8 Tyler Hansbrough 4.9
12. Quincy Acy 2.7 Landry Fields 2.3
13. Shane Larkin 2.8 Greg Stiemsma 2.9
14. Cole Aldrich 2.0 Chuck Hayes 2.2
What you continue to fail at is factoringThe advantages of other teams
In this case the Raptors do notHave to learn a new system, they know what Casey expects
They don't have a 1st year coach
They have a system they've won inThey are more familiar with each other
They have players on an uptick like Val and DemarThey added a proven scorer in Lou Williams
Oh and our schedule out the gate is brutalConsidering we have lots of adjusting to do
The league is much better nowAll of this is true but it doesn't mean the Knicks can't reach their maximum potential, which IMO is still higher than that of the Raptors. You may believe in DeRozan, Lowry and Jonas somehow being a top team in the East but I don't. I actually think they aren't going to be so much better that they will be able to hold off the Knicks. I like DeRozan a lot. I think he's clearly the teams best player and is growing to his full potential. I think Jonas will be a little better but I don't think of him as a dominant big. Lowry IMO is going to level off at about what he was last year and maybe a bit less this year after getting his money. Lou Williams is OK. Good 6th man but let's not get carried away either. They're a well coached team that has good chemistry.
Here's the thing I believe that even last year when the Knicks were atrocious they were competitive with the Raptors. Right now the Knicks even at this shaky stage are competitive with the Raptors. However, when the Knicks get it together I think they're better than the Raptors and that's where we differ. I don't believe the Raptors ceiling is higher than the Knicks. Last year to close the season the Knicks finally started playing closer to their real potential and they went 16-7. That was last year with a more flawed roster and worse system on O and D. I think this roster is better and makes more sense in light of the better system on O and D this year. I think we clearly have better coaching and leadership this year. That's what I think the doubters are missing.
Despite the shakiness, this team is going to be better than last year by a lot. Yes they have a tough opening schedule. That still doesn't mean they can't win games.
I will undress this post tomorrowI'm hitting the sack
But to give you a clue about takingSample sizes out of a season and Where I'll be headed
Amongst other poor examples of your Pom-Pom ridiculousnessThink of Raptors before and after////// huge clue
The Knicks keep improvingevery game.
It was only preseason.
The Spurs only won 2 games.
Lets see what happens
in the regular season
the preseason is ////
I feel handicapped posting
like this //// like
Shump on offense
Daly is better than
the dpoy hyped and
legend? not
sure. But this style
is ////up and I hate it.
Nice job Nix did of handicapping the Raptors
Before the Rudy Gay trade Raptors were 6-12
After the trade they were 42-22, how do you like that for finishes
This means we have no idea where their peak is at
They added a proven scorer in Lou Williams, who has closing ability
Nothing carried away about these facts unlike himself
Dreaming, wishing, hoping on a star
As far as competitiveness there are other teams
Who have talent and played the Raptors tough but
Not tough enough to beat them
Our team will reset again and we'll be back to unknowns after this season
Meanwhile the Raptors know who and what they are
Nix thinks we can get back to the 54 win team
While the Raptors stay stuck in quicksand
The Raptors very well could win 50gms[I don't think so because of overall league improvements]
Raptors will be a problem for the next 2-3yrs minimum
As far a Lowry not being a strong bill of health
Neither is Jason Smith, neither is Amar'e both gone next year
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I dont see why folks defend this dude...he's done.
Nets
Knicks
Philly
Boston
I prefer we actually finish lower.
knickscity wrote:may be we can after all.....Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/526410351269937156
Click here to view the TweetI dont see why folks defend this dude...he's done.
Just another set of unfortunate circumstances
That puts this team in a bind and pushes Phil into a corner
F500ONE wrote:knickscity wrote:may be we can after all.....Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/526410351269937156
Click here to view the TweetI dont see why folks defend this dude...he's done.
Just another set of unfortunate circumstancesThat puts this team in a bind and pushes Phil into a corner
Yep, Both Phil and Fish got egg on their face defending this dude. They want him to start so bad for personal reasons.
knickscity wrote:Yep, Both Phil and Fish got egg on their face defending this dude. They want him to start so bad for personal reasons.
Which was-is so bizarre, he's not that good never was
They didn't draft, groom, or trade for him
He is not a long term fit
Sometimes silence is bliss
F500ONE wrote:knickscity wrote:may be we can after all.....Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/526410351269937156
Click here to view the TweetI dont see why folks defend this dude...he's done.
Just another set of unfortunate circumstancesThat puts this team in a bind and pushes Phil into a corner
Not really- Jason Smith starts in his place, then when he's back up to speed, Bargs replaces him. They have similar-ish games (though Bargs is probably worse at everything), so it won't be too disruptive.
I hate Bargs, but I expect Fish to give him a shot, for better or for worse. The truth is Bargs, Amar'e and Jason Smith are all injury prone, so I expect all of them to get burn at some point.