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Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

yellowboy90 wrote:Monroe does look good

On the glass around the basket when he has

A chance to score but defensively he's awful

And a Monroe-Melo frontcourt Maxed to Infinity will get us nowhere fast

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Cool I think you've mentioned your bball connoiseur before

I was speaking to the fact even when a team isn't converting

On their execution you can appreciate what they're doing stylistically

You can almost see they payoff in advance

Kind of like Kyle Korver missed his first few shots to start the game

But you just knew he was going to be a stroke of genius before the game was over

Hey I wish I could do what you're doing in my spare time

Love this game so much

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Great question asked here

I have a better one, do kids actually practice a midrange game

Your team and from your discussion with other highschool coaches in your jusridiction

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Most of the upper-tier HS boys teams have adapted their offense to more of a spread, 5-out or 4-out 1 in, dribble-drive and kick offense. Coaches have been coaching their players to space the floor and spot up behind the 3-point-line. The most dominant teams have 3 and sometimes 4 dominant ball handlers. Lots of pick and rolls, drives and kicks for the corner or wing three.

2 offensive philosophies that seemed to impact HS and College BB offense the most was MDA's SSOL offense and Rick Torbett's Read and React Offense. It doesn't matter what any coach is running whether it be NBA, College, and elite level HS Ball, you will see the influence of either or both of these offenses in any given system. I see it in Kerr's offense with GS, Pop has the read and react DNA in his system, hell, the great coach K was heavily influenced by MDA. Both of these offense's rely heavily on floor-spacing, ball and player movement, layups/dunks and 3 point shooting. Neither offense emphasize long 2's.

The dribble-drive offense, btw is a variation of Rick Torbett's Read and React.....

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Most of the upper-tier HS boys teams have adapted their offense to more of a spread, 5-out or 4-out 1 in, dribble-drive and kick offense. Coaches have been coaching their players to space the floor and spot up behind the 3-point-line. The most dominant teams have 3 and sometimes 4 dominant ball handlers. Lots of pick and rolls, drives and kicks for the corner or wing three.

2 offensive philosophies that seemed to impact HS and College BB offense the most was MDA's SSOL offense and Rick Torbett's Read and React Offense. It doesn't matter what any coach is running whether it be NBA, College, and elite level HS Ball, you will see the influence of either or both of these offenses in any given system. I see it in Kerr's offense with GS, Pop has the read and react DNA in his system, hell, the great coach K was heavily influenced by MDA. Both of these offense's rely heavily on floor-spacing, ball and player movement, layups/dunks and 3 point shooting. Neither offense emphasize long 2's.

The dribble-drive offense, btw is a variation of Rick Torbett's Read and React.....

thanks for your response.

So when signing or drafting players we probably should not be looking for players who have mainly mid range games.

I am extremely surprised how many long 2's the knicks have taken this season. We lead the league in shots bet 16 and 23 feet. That is a horrible stat.

During their hour program segment about

Close 2s and shooting 3s, very interesting breakdown on metrics

And how effective James Harden has been doing this by far best in the league

But what I'd still like to know is do kids work on shooting midrange shots

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Great question asked here

I have a better one, do kids actually practice a midrange game

Your team and from your discussion with other highschool coaches in your jusridiction

I'm currently Coaching Girls, both Middle and HS. Used to coach boys,, but I'm still plugged in and watch quite a bit as girls and boys bb coaches are pretty tight and we travel to and from games together. Most of the kids we get in our programs and around the county do not practice the mid range game much at all.

During Summer Training, an emphasis is placed on ball handling, conditioning, screening, passing and 3 point shooting. It's all about dribble-drive for a layup or dribble-drive and kick for a 3. Most coaches have their players work on game-shots, and spread offense's put a heavy emphasis on dunks/layups and 3's. Dude's like Jahlil Okafor are rare, as most bigs on the HS level are working of their face up games and are shooting 3's pretty comfortably. any player that plays in the post is either way bigger than everyone else or are new to the game.

Rick Pitino was the first that I can remember that adapted the philosophy of taking 3's instead of long 2's. I remember as a youngster watching his Providence teams and later at Kentucky when his teams would pull up and shoot 3's on fastbreaks. I used to scream at the TV when his players would pass up lay ups for open 3's. I had no idea that that would be the universally accepted way to play basketball today.

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Great question asked here

I have a better one, do kids actually practice a midrange game

Your team and from your discussion with other highschool coaches in your jusridiction

I'm currently Coaching Girls, both Middle and HS. Used to coach boys,, but I'm still plugged in and watch quite a bit as girls and boys bb coaches are pretty tight and we travel to and from games together. Most of the kids we get in our programs and around the county do not practice the mid range game much at all.

During Summer Training, an emphasis is placed on ball handling, conditioning, screening, passing and 3 point shooting. It's all about dribble-drive for a layup or dribble-drive and kick for a 3. Most coaches have their players work on game-shots, and spread offense's put a heavy emphasis on dunks/layups and 3's. Dude's like Jahlil Okafor are rare, as most bigs on the HS level are working of their face up games and are shooting 3's pretty comfortably. any player that plays in the post is either way bigger than everyone else or are new to the game.

Rick Pitino was the first that I can remember that adapted the philosophy of taking 3's instead of long 2's. I remember as a youngster watching his Providence teams and later at Kentucky when his teams would pull up and shoot 3's on fastbreaks. I used to scream at the TV when his players would pass up lay ups for open 3's. I had no idea that that would be the universally accepted way to play basketball today.

I think it's sad kids don't practice this shot

For many reasons, most uncontested shots come in the midrange game

Most shots contested can be avoided with a 1-2 escape dribble pull up

Most zone defenses can be busted up with a legit midrange scorer outside a dribble penetrator

Having midrange route runners can completely bust open a defense

Even if no shots are derived from this area

Long twos I can see being an issue here and there but once again

Winning coin toss says they are the initial shot open than others[as in naturally generated]

Basically the game has been dumbed down based on metrics and energy conservation

For offensive execution primarily

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Great question asked here

I have a better one, do kids actually practice a midrange game

Your team and from your discussion with other highschool coaches in your jusridiction

I'm currently Coaching Girls, both Middle and HS. Used to coach boys,, but I'm still plugged in and watch quite a bit as girls and boys bb coaches are pretty tight and we travel to and from games together. Most of the kids we get in our programs and around the county do not practice the mid range game much at all.

During Summer Training, an emphasis is placed on ball handling, conditioning, screening, passing and 3 point shooting. It's all about dribble-drive for a layup or dribble-drive and kick for a 3. Most coaches have their players work on game-shots, and spread offense's put a heavy emphasis on dunks/layups and 3's. Dude's like Jahlil Okafor are rare, as most bigs on the HS level are working of their face up games and are shooting 3's pretty comfortably. any player that plays in the post is either way bigger than everyone else or are new to the game.

Rick Pitino was the first that I can remember that adapted the philosophy of taking 3's instead of long 2's. I remember as a youngster watching his Providence teams and later at Kentucky when his teams would pull up and shoot 3's on fastbreaks. I used to scream at the TV when his players would pass up lay ups for open 3's. I had no idea that that would be the universally accepted way to play basketball today.

I think it's sad kids don't practice this shot

For many reasons, most uncontested shots come in the midrange game

Most shots contested can be avoided with a 1-2 escape dribble pull up

Most zone defenses can be busted up with a legit midrange scorer outside a dribble penetrator

Having midrange route runners can completely bust open a defense

Even if no shots are derived from this area

Long twos I can see being an issue here and there but once again

Winning coin toss says they are the initial shot open than others[as in naturally generated]

Basically the game has been dumbed down based on metrics and energy conservation

For offensive execution primarily

Couldn't agree with you more. I still teach my players to pump fake, rip, dribble 1-2 times and pull up for the 15-12 footer. Coaches are teaching their players to guard the 3 point line and take the charge in the paint. You would be amazed at how well schooled some of these HS teams are at taking charges. The long two with a foot on the line doesn't make any sense, as you say, but the mid range game still has its place to extent.

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Great question asked here

I have a better one, do kids actually practice a midrange game

Your team and from your discussion with other highschool coaches in your jusridiction

I'm currently Coaching Girls, both Middle and HS. Used to coach boys,, but I'm still plugged in and watch quite a bit as girls and boys bb coaches are pretty tight and we travel to and from games together. Most of the kids we get in our programs and around the county do not practice the mid range game much at all.

During Summer Training, an emphasis is placed on ball handling, conditioning, screening, passing and 3 point shooting. It's all about dribble-drive for a layup or dribble-drive and kick for a 3. Most coaches have their players work on game-shots, and spread offense's put a heavy emphasis on dunks/layups and 3's. Dude's like Jahlil Okafor are rare, as most bigs on the HS level are working of their face up games and are shooting 3's pretty comfortably. any player that plays in the post is either way bigger than everyone else or are new to the game.

Rick Pitino was the first that I can remember that adapted the philosophy of taking 3's instead of long 2's. I remember as a youngster watching his Providence teams and later at Kentucky when his teams would pull up and shoot 3's on fastbreaks. I used to scream at the TV when his players would pass up lay ups for open 3's. I had no idea that that would be the universally accepted way to play basketball today.

I think it's sad kids don't practice this shot

For many reasons, most uncontested shots come in the midrange game

Most shots contested can be avoided with a 1-2 escape dribble pull up

Most zone defenses can be busted up with a legit midrange scorer outside a dribble penetrator

Having midrange route runners can completely bust open a defense

Even if no shots are derived from this area

Long twos I can see being an issue here and there but once again

Winning coin toss says they are the initial shot open than others[as in naturally generated]

Basically the game has been dumbed down based on metrics and energy conservation

For offensive execution primarily

Couldn't agree with you more. I still teach my players to pump fake, rip, dribble 1-2 times and pull up for the 15-12 footer. Coaches are teaching their players to guard the 3 point line and take the charge in the paint. You would be amazed at how well schooled some of these HS teams are at taking charges. The long two with a foot on the line doesn't make any sense, as you say, but the mid range game still has its place to extent.

the most contested and inefficient shot in the game are shot between 16 and 23 feet. They should never be practiced and completely eliminated.

the shorter mid range shots can be taken just to keep the defense honest.

Most of the shots should either be at the basket or behind the arc ala the houston rockets and Iowa State.

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Great question asked here

I have a better one, do kids actually practice a midrange game

Your team and from your discussion with other highschool coaches in your jusridiction

I'm currently Coaching Girls, both Middle and HS. Used to coach boys,, but I'm still plugged in and watch quite a bit as girls and boys bb coaches are pretty tight and we travel to and from games together. Most of the kids we get in our programs and around the county do not practice the mid range game much at all.

During Summer Training, an emphasis is placed on ball handling, conditioning, screening, passing and 3 point shooting. It's all about dribble-drive for a layup or dribble-drive and kick for a 3. Most coaches have their players work on game-shots, and spread offense's put a heavy emphasis on dunks/layups and 3's. Dude's like Jahlil Okafor are rare, as most bigs on the HS level are working of their face up games and are shooting 3's pretty comfortably. any player that plays in the post is either way bigger than everyone else or are new to the game.

Rick Pitino was the first that I can remember that adapted the philosophy of taking 3's instead of long 2's. I remember as a youngster watching his Providence teams and later at Kentucky when his teams would pull up and shoot 3's on fastbreaks. I used to scream at the TV when his players would pass up lay ups for open 3's. I had no idea that that would be the universally accepted way to play basketball today.

I think it's sad kids don't practice this shot

For many reasons, most uncontested shots come in the midrange game

Most shots contested can be avoided with a 1-2 escape dribble pull up

Most zone defenses can be busted up with a legit midrange scorer outside a dribble penetrator

Having midrange route runners can completely bust open a defense

Even if no shots are derived from this area

Long twos I can see being an issue here and there but once again

Winning coin toss says they are the initial shot open than others[as in naturally generated]

Basically the game has been dumbed down based on metrics and energy conservation

For offensive execution primarily

Couldn't agree with you more. I still teach my players to pump fake, rip, dribble 1-2 times and pull up for the 15-12 footer. Coaches are teaching their players to guard the 3 point line and take the charge in the paint. You would be amazed at how well schooled some of these HS teams are at taking charges. The long two with a foot on the line doesn't make any sense, as you say, but the mid range game still has its place to extent.

I think this is a major reason why Phil won't deviate

From the triangle system, not only because he's had peak success with it

But because he doesn't want to be of the mold copy catting systems

I believe he is a purist by nature, although this age does involve one being

Flexible and adjusting not only to personnel but to the times

As coaching becomes a product of what everyone else is doing[primarily offensively]

It affects how the game is being coached defensively, so if you're coaching a spread

Offense more than likely you're coaching a spread defense[as in how to defend the spread or drive kick etc etc]

The midrange game is not defended heavily because it's a no mans defender land

Maybe kids need to understand the game becomes easier if they practiced the fundamental things more

Like being able to make a 12-18ftr at an elite level

I hate to think we won't see another Reggie Miller-Ray Allen-Rip Hamilton

For another 5-10yrs all because a Harvard grad figures he's

Smarter than the game itself and says metrics > over everything

Instead of cutting corners trying to become elite in just a couple areas

Yes we're always going to have players that excel at maybe a couple things

But the goal is to have as many versatile players on a team as possible

It works the other way[not only shooting] where you have players who are only effective if they have the ball in their hands

Players like Lebron///// Melo and Kyrie[to a lesser extent] really aren't as good as advertised

Because if you take the ball out of their hands what do they do well

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Pistons vs Hawks is such a great game to watch

It's beautiful basketball on both sides of the ball

I haven't seen any triangle ran from these two teams

First half was brutal...even the commentator was making excuses for the bad play saying 'its an early game.' It's picked up in the second half, though....

Teams had difficulty converting but because

They stayed true to what they do and we're seeing this

When I made the post it was halftime

I watch the game within the game, you should try it sometime

There was zero malice in response, no need to be defensive all the time....As far as watching the game within the game, is funny you mention this because I got one eye on the Hawks and Pistons, and at the same time, I'm watching video on my laptop of a game my school played last year against a team that we play on Thursday. When I'm not teaching, I'm coaching basketball....I don't try it sometime, I do it all the time....I eat, sleep and drink bb...

Hey Uptown,

In high school ball, are they eliminating the long 2's as well or are they too young for that?

Curious what coaches are telling their players.

Great question asked here

I have a better one, do kids actually practice a midrange game

Your team and from your discussion with other highschool coaches in your jusridiction

I'm currently Coaching Girls, both Middle and HS. Used to coach boys,, but I'm still plugged in and watch quite a bit as girls and boys bb coaches are pretty tight and we travel to and from games together. Most of the kids we get in our programs and around the county do not practice the mid range game much at all.

During Summer Training, an emphasis is placed on ball handling, conditioning, screening, passing and 3 point shooting. It's all about dribble-drive for a layup or dribble-drive and kick for a 3. Most coaches have their players work on game-shots, and spread offense's put a heavy emphasis on dunks/layups and 3's. Dude's like Jahlil Okafor are rare, as most bigs on the HS level are working of their face up games and are shooting 3's pretty comfortably. any player that plays in the post is either way bigger than everyone else or are new to the game.

Rick Pitino was the first that I can remember that adapted the philosophy of taking 3's instead of long 2's. I remember as a youngster watching his Providence teams and later at Kentucky when his teams would pull up and shoot 3's on fastbreaks. I used to scream at the TV when his players would pass up lay ups for open 3's. I had no idea that that would be the universally accepted way to play basketball today.

I think it's sad kids don't practice this shot

For many reasons, most uncontested shots come in the midrange game

Most shots contested can be avoided with a 1-2 escape dribble pull up

Most zone defenses can be busted up with a legit midrange scorer outside a dribble penetrator

Having midrange route runners can completely bust open a defense

Even if no shots are derived from this area

Long twos I can see being an issue here and there but once again

Winning coin toss says they are the initial shot open than others[as in naturally generated]

Basically the game has been dumbed down based on metrics and energy conservation

For offensive execution primarily

Couldn't agree with you more. I still teach my players to pump fake, rip, dribble 1-2 times and pull up for the 15-12 footer. Coaches are teaching their players to guard the 3 point line and take the charge in the paint. You would be amazed at how well schooled some of these HS teams are at taking charges. The long two with a foot on the line doesn't make any sense, as you say, but the mid range game still has its place to extent.

the most contested and inefficient shot in the game are shot between 16 and 23 feet. They should never be practiced and completely eliminated.

the shorter mid range shots can be taken just to keep the defense honest.

Most of the shots should either be at the basket or behind the arc ala the houston rockets and Iowa State.

I get it...The reason why I stated 12-15 feet is because its not too deep to draw a charge, and its far enough away from the 3 point line to escape a team that over plays....the 15 footer from the freethrow line is deadly vs. a zone, ala Syracuse's 2-3 match up....We killed a team last year in that area that played us in a 2-3 zone....There's still a place for the mid range games in basketball imo...

This kid was allowed to develop. he was slow to do so but patience was rewarded. Relating to the knicks, I hope the "Cultural Revolution" allows this within the organization. I don't expect fans to. I mean some were already giving grades to Cleanthony after his first week back!!!

Atlanta with Teague and Memphis with Conley are just two examples of patience we have seen at the PG position.

Nalod wrote:some articles floating around hoops hype giving Michael Conley props as the true reason for Memphis success.

This kid was allowed to develop. he was slow to do so but patience was rewarded. Relating to the knicks, I hope the "Cultural Revolution" allows this within the organization. I don't expect fans to. I mean some were already giving grades to Cleanthony after his first week back!!!

Atlanta with Teague and Memphis with Conley are just two examples of patience we have seen at the PG position.

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:some articles floating around hoops hype giving Michael Conley props as the true reason for Memphis success.

This kid was allowed to develop. he was slow to do so but patience was rewarded. Relating to the knicks, I hope the "Cultural Revolution" allows this within the organization. I don't expect fans to. I mean some were already giving grades to Cleanthony after his first week back!!!

Atlanta with Teague and Memphis with Conley are just two examples of patience we have seen at the PG position.

Yep, I remember when people were laughing about the contract the Griz gave him years ago- they ain't laughing now!

Nobody was laughing. He has been a very player for a number of years and he deserved that extension.

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:some articles floating around hoops hype giving Michael Conley props as the true reason for Memphis success.

This kid was allowed to develop. he was slow to do so but patience was rewarded. Relating to the knicks, I hope the "Cultural Revolution" allows this within the organization. I don't expect fans to. I mean some were already giving grades to Cleanthony after his first week back!!!

Atlanta with Teague and Memphis with Conley are just two examples of patience we have seen at the PG position.

Yep, I remember when people were laughing about the contract the Griz gave him years ago- they ain't laughing now!

Nobody was laughing. He has been a very player for a number of years and he deserved that extension.

He put in another solid night and having a good January

I know deep down he's a stiff but okay I see you BIG MOOSE

Jennings and Drummond turnt up too

SVG is so official right about now

GS is just far better than Houston.