Knicks · Predict points per game for melo (page 1)

If he is scoring an efficient 24-26 then we are really lucky.

BRIGGS wrote:For us to win games hes got to score near 30. This whole stuff about the triangle is BS. Kobe use to score 30 Mj used to score 30+ and no reason why Melo cant--we need him to.

We have only one angle of triangle so Melo will need to be Melo. 26 will be the number...

bryant is a lesser player to jordan in every aspect i have mentioned but the ratio is almost the same.

hence, if anybody wants or expects a similar number of points from our 124 million dollar franchise player, whose defense is really not good, then at least lets see numbers that show he actually contributes positively to offensive cohesion for once. if he doesn't it won't matter how many points he scores, the result will be the same inflated mediocrity we have seen throughout his career, or worse.

Again this offense is more for the rest of the guys to get involved. This is right up Melo alley. All you complainers take a chill pill. It's going to take time but this is going to be really good for us.

BRIGGS wrote:For us to win games hes got to score near 30. This whole stuff about the triangle is BS. Kobe use to score 30 Mj used to score 30+ and no reason why Melo cant--we need him to.

EnySpree wrote:I think Melo will be pushing 30pts per. He's going to be as wide open as he's ever been in his career. He won't have to bang with power fwds. He's going to basically be shooting around warming up for the 4th quarter.

Again this offense is more for the rest of the guys to get involved. This is right up Melo alley. All you complainers take a chill pill. It's going to take time but this is going to be really good for us.

so this won't depend on any players and the "system" itself will be getting others involved?

dk7th wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I think Melo will be pushing 30pts per. He's going to be as wide open as he's ever been in his career. He won't have to bang with power fwds. He's going to basically be shooting around warming up for the 4th quarter.

Again this offense is more for the rest of the guys to get involved. This is right up Melo alley. All you complainers take a chill pill. It's going to take time but this is going to be really good for us.

so this won't depend on any players and the "system" itself will be getting others involved?

The system will have Dalembert throwing backdoor passes to Iman shumpert. It will have jason smith and Quincy Acy taking wide open 15 ft jumpers.

Melo being guarded one on one is like throwing a sheep in a lions cage.

The offense will put guys in a position to be involved. Yes they must execute....but that will come i. Time. It won't take long in my opinion. By Christmas the Knicks should be clicking pretty good.

No use crying about the bad. There is good. The guys are learning where they need to be. Once that happens it will be nice to watch

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

don't care about his FG%, I care about his TS%. I would like to see 58+.

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

don't care about his FG%, I care about his TS%. I would like to see 58+.

I care about his FG% not sure if this

Offense calls for him shooting 3s

And not sure how often or much he will get to the line

I do care about how many FGA in comparison to makes

44-45% Melo will not suffice

48-49% Melo let's see if baby fat has what it takes

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

don't care about his FG%, I care about his TS%. I would like to see 58+.

I care about his FG% not sure if this

Offense calls for him shooting 3s

And not sure how often or much he will get to the line

I do care about how many FGA in comparison to makes

44-45% Melo will not suffice

48-49% Melo let's see if baby fat has what it takes

Again ... FG is a deprecated stat.

I could care less about where, when and how much he is shooting if he has a very efficient TS.

If he is shooting 38% and has a TS of 60% then that is splendid.

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

don't care about his FG%, I care about his TS%. I would like to see 58+.

If his FG% goes up his overall TS% goes up. It's very simple do what LeBron and Durant do. They shoot relatively the same from three but their midrange game is much better than Melo. Since majority of shots come from midrange or closer wouldn't you want Melo to make good on all his attempts to reduce empty trips. What you guys fail to understand is the importance of possession and the psychological effects on the other team that scoring on every trip down the floor does to them. TS% is a part of FG%. See the difference between Melo, Durant's and LeBron's TS% you will find a disparity there only because the Mid range game is the difference.

Most here expect Melo to shoot 36-40% from three, I don't see him exceeding that. But the biggest difference in TS% with other leaders is Melo's ability to shoot inside three point range. That is the area where Melo leaves a lot of points. So if Melo makes a conscious effort to shoot 50% overall his TS% will go to 62% or higher. Now that is elite level, that is fewer empty trips. That creates pressure on the opponent.

Vmart wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

don't care about his FG%, I care about his TS%. I would like to see 58+.

If his FG% goes up his overall TS% goes up. It's very simple do what LeBron and Durant do. They shoot relatively the same from three but their midrange game is much better than Melo. Since majority of shots come from midrange or closer wouldn't you want Melo to make good on all his attempts to reduce empty trips. What you guys fail to understand is the importance of possession and the psychological effects on the other team that scoring on every trip down the floor does to them. TS% is a part of FG%. See the difference between Melo, Durant's and LeBron's TS% you will find a disparity there only because the Mid range game is the difference.

Most here expect Melo to shoot 36-40% from three, I don't see him exceeding that. But the biggest difference in TS% with other leaders is Melo's ability to shoot inside three point range. That is the area where Melo leaves a lot of points. So if Melo makes a conscious effort to shoot 50% overall his TS% will go to 62% or higher. Now that is elite level, that is fewer empty trips. That creates pressure on the opponent.

There are players with sub par FG's and very good TS such as Pierce and Harden (and of course Billups).

TS is a combination of 2's, 3's and FT's all valued accordingly. FG% values 2's and 3's equally which is stupid.

Of course if he shoots well from 2 it should help his TS.

I actually think that Melo should be able to shoot 42+ from three if he took shots that were not chucks. His assisted 3 point shooting percentage is ridiculous!

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

Exactly. Need to see him finish the year with at least 48%

That would be a career year for him

gunsnewing wrote:

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

Exactly. Need to see him finish the year with at least 48%

That would be a career year for him

I think that if he can shoot 84 percent from the free throw line then we are golden.

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

don't care about his FG%, I care about his TS%. I would like to see 58+.

If his FG% goes up his overall TS% goes up. It's very simple do what LeBron and Durant do. They shoot relatively the same from three but their midrange game is much better than Melo. Since majority of shots come from midrange or closer wouldn't you want Melo to make good on all his attempts to reduce empty trips. What you guys fail to understand is the importance of possession and the psychological effects on the other team that scoring on every trip down the floor does to them. TS% is a part of FG%. See the difference between Melo, Durant's and LeBron's TS% you will find a disparity there only because the Mid range game is the difference.

Most here expect Melo to shoot 36-40% from three, I don't see him exceeding that. But the biggest difference in TS% with other leaders is Melo's ability to shoot inside three point range. That is the area where Melo leaves a lot of points. So if Melo makes a conscious effort to shoot 50% overall his TS% will go to 62% or higher. Now that is elite level, that is fewer empty trips. That creates pressure on the opponent.

There are players with sub par FG's and very good TS such as Pierce and Harden (and of course Billups).

TS is a combination of 2's, 3's and FT's all valued accordingly. FG% values 2's and 3's equally which is stupid.

Of course if he shoots well from 2 it should help his TS.

I actually think that Melo should be able to shoot 42+ from three if he took shots that were not chucks. His assisted 3 point shooting percentage is ridiculous!

I hear what you are saying and agree with you. But will Melo get to the Free throw line more? Will Melo improve on his three point shooting because if he does, what does it help his FG%. Free throw shooting is subjective and usually based on the refs discretion so it is out of Melo's hand to get to the line more. Improved FG% is all on Melo. Last year Melo's TS% was 56.1%. You want him to have a 2% increase to 58% how is he going to do that any way you look at Getting to the line being subjective, he has to in the end increase his free throw percentage and his mid range game percentage or his three point percentage. Any way you look at it he has to have an increase in percentage to get to your number.

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

don't care about his FG%, I care about his TS%. I would like to see 58+.

I care about his FG% not sure if this

Offense calls for him shooting 3s

And not sure how often or much he will get to the line

I do care about how many FGA in comparison to makes

44-45% Melo will not suffice

48-49% Melo let's see if baby fat has what it takes

Again ... FG is a deprecated stat.

I could care less about where, when and how much he is shooting if he has a very efficient TS.

If he is shooting 38% and has a TS of 60% then that is splendid.

You mean shooting 38% from 3?

Because no way he can shoot 38% fg and have a TS% of 60

Unless he's paraded to the line at a NBA Historic level

Nope not gonna fly mreinman

Everything is predicated on how this system

Dictates what his TS% could be, it's not a statical category

A player has full control over, TS is rather overrated in many cases

But what he does have control over is making the shots

He takes and hopefully the shots he takes, he makes close to 50% of them

And they are in the category of high percentage

I'm also more concerned with his other areas of offense

Which DK alluded to, his ast/to ratio and how much he

Plays a factor in his teammates becoming better in the system

He can't continue being a 'I Got Mine" player but "What About Ya'll"

We should see an increased effort on defense although

This is a thread geared towards his offense

For the record go look up what 5 time World Champion Kobe TS% was

Now we both despise Kobe and the way he played but he only cracked

58% TS once in his career 1 time during regular season and playoffs

He was historically a 55% TS player

Yes Melo needs to be more efficient as an offensive players

Starting with his FG%

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:The better question should be predict Melo's shooting percentage. I have him around 44-45%. I prefer 50% or better I think that is the stat that determines if he is a true superstar or just a shot happy player.

don't care about his FG%, I care about his TS%. I would like to see 58+.

I care about his FG% not sure if this

Offense calls for him shooting 3s

And not sure how often or much he will get to the line

I do care about how many FGA in comparison to makes

44-45% Melo will not suffice

48-49% Melo let's see if baby fat has what it takes

Again ... FG is a deprecated stat.

I could care less about where, when and how much he is shooting if he has a very efficient TS.

If he is shooting 38% and has a TS of 60% then that is splendid.

You mean shooting 38% from 3?

Because no way he can shoot 38% fg and have a TS% of 60

Unless he's paraded to the line at a NBA Historic level

Nope not gonna fly mreinman

Everything is predicated on how this system

Dictates what his TS% could be, it's not a statical category

A player has full control over, TS is rather overrated in many cases

But what he does have control over is making the shots

He takes and hopefully the shots he takes, he makes close to 50% of them

And they are in the category of high percentage

I'm also more concerned with his other areas of offense

Which DK alluded to, his ast/to ratio and how much he

Plays a factor in his teammates becoming better in the system

He can't continue being a 'I Got Mine" player but "What About Ya'll"

We should see an increased effort on defense although

This is a thread geared towards his offense

For the record go look up what 5 time World Champion Kobe TS% was

Now we both despise Kobe and the way he played but he only cracked

58% TS once in his career 1 time during regular season and playoffs

He was historically a 55% TS player

Yes Melo needs to be more efficient as an offensive players

Starting with his FG%

Now you are sounding a bit ignorant (like TKF?)

Of course you can't shoot 38% and have a high TS, I was just making a point.

FG% stat is for the ill-informed.

Mr world class Kobe was not efficient! We all know that. Using him as an example since he was champion is ludicrous to prove or disprove the values of TS and FG.

PP shot 44% (FG) but near 60 TS. He was obviously very efficient in ways other than the 2 point FG.

Melo is about where kobe is was efficiency wise and they both should/could be much better.

Melo, to increase his TS needs to cut down on his long contested 2's. If he does (which I don't know if he is willing to), then he can have a +58 TS. His 3 point shooting and FT shooting are certainly good enough to get him there. Its simple ...

For other players, it may mean something else, it depends where their weaknesses are.

Please stop with this FG% stuff. If you would like to make a valid TS argument with data to back it up, I am all ears.

You gotta hit shots and be efficient at the ones you take factoring in value.