Knicks · Tim H (page 1)

BRIGGS @ 10/30/2014 10:15 AM
Wow he was bad last night but I put this on D fish. He's the coach--coach to player

How many rebounds did you have? None
How many drives to the basket--ah none
How many assists did you make--none

How many off balance 3's did you take hmmm 5

You play like this again and you sit. But coach this triangle makes everything robotic and out of flow

I dont want to hear it Tim---look at MJ and Kobe--you play the right way--take good shts go to the basket and get fouled grab some boards and when youre not open find the open man Kabeesh?

Vmart @ 10/30/2014 10:21 AM
I agree but this what the team is. It's a 42% shooting team that is why More Amare is necessary high percentage shots. Amare basically has to make up for all the bad shots the team takes.
mreinman @ 10/30/2014 10:22 AM
You beat me to it. This guy is just another one of our way overrated yoots.

We gotta stop serenading them until they have proven themselves and not just blind praise their huge potential.

gunsnewing @ 10/30/2014 10:26 AM
I thought he was was going to average 19/5/5 as a starter?
Vmart @ 10/30/2014 10:28 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I thought he was was going to average 19/5/5 as a starter?

He will. One game doesn't make the season. Give him the opportunity and he will pick those numbers up.

mreinman @ 10/30/2014 10:29 AM
Vmart wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I thought he was was going to average 19/5/5 as a starter?

He will. One game doesn't make the season. Give him the opportunity and he will pick those numbers up.

He will?

How do you (many) know this?

BRIGGS @ 10/30/2014 10:38 AM
Vmart wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I thought he was was going to average 19/5/5 as a starter?

He will. One game doesn't make the season. Give him the opportunity and he will pick those numbers up.

Vmart--if he plays the right way--he can score 18-20 a night.

mreinman @ 10/30/2014 10:44 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I thought he was was going to average 19/5/5 as a starter?

He will. One game doesn't make the season. Give him the opportunity and he will pick those numbers up.

Vmart--if he plays the right way--he can score 18-20 a night.

Consistently? I have never seen consistency from him. He seems like a feast or famine shooter (9 for 10 or 2-10)

F500ONE @ 10/30/2014 10:50 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Wow he was bad last night but I put this on D fish. He's the coach--coach to player

How many rebounds did you have? None
How many drives to the basket--ah none
How many assists did you make--none

How many off balance 3's did you take hmmm 5

You play like this again and you sit. But coach this triangle makes everything robotic and out of flow

I dont want to hear it Tim---look at MJ and Kobe--you play the right way--take good shts go to the basket and get fouled grab some boards and when youre not open find the open man Kabeesh?

While most of this is true


J.R. Smith has been horrible really for 10yrs

He may have had 2-3 decent yrs if that


Shump has been horrible 3-4yrs straight


THJR if there is any saving, you have to

See what his full potential is so you know what to do with him


The hypocrisy in all of this is

Whenever THJR and Shumpert are mentioned in trades


We all demand they either not be traded or included as part of a package

Or demand that we get back high 1st rounders


But then we create threads like this suggesting they sit after 1 game played

Or prefer to limit their minutes and/or not start them

Why do we as fans have a hard time with being consistent-balanced-objective

Vmart @ 10/30/2014 10:54 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I thought he was was going to average 19/5/5 as a starter?

He will. One game doesn't make the season. Give him the opportunity and he will pick those numbers up.

Vmart--if he plays the right way--he can score 18-20 a night.

Definitely he can. THJ can shoot he had a bad night so did most of the team. Everyone was equally bad. They looked confused, hesitant broke the system. Basically they all panicked. Fisher did too. It's called Learning. The Knicks need to learn to walk before they run.

This is going to be a process so best to curb all the expectations at least for some games.

Splat @ 10/30/2014 10:57 AM
Until Tim can play D and contribute more than random jump shots, he's really just JR # 2.
mreinman @ 10/30/2014 11:04 AM
Splat wrote:Until Tim can play D and contribute more than random jump shots, he's really just JR # 2.

He is not even in JR's league at this point.

Splat @ 10/30/2014 11:06 AM
mreinman wrote:
Splat wrote:Until Tim can play D and contribute more than random jump shots, he's really just JR # 2.

He is not even in JR's league at this point.

That's why he is # 2 on the JR meter

F500ONE @ 10/30/2014 11:10 AM
mreinman wrote:
Splat wrote:Until Tim can play D and contribute more than random jump shots, he's really just JR # 2.

He is not even in JR's league at this point.

As of the here and now yes they are in the same league

Smith has easily been our worse player since Preseason


Careerwise no, J.R. proved to be a better prospect at early stage of career

mreinman @ 10/30/2014 11:14 AM
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Splat wrote:Until Tim can play D and contribute more than random jump shots, he's really just JR # 2.

He is not even in JR's league at this point.

As of the here and now yes they are in the same league

Smith has easily been our worse player since Preseason


Careerwise no, J.R. proved to be a better prospect at early stage of career

yeah ... I am not talking about triangle JR

Splat @ 10/30/2014 11:15 AM
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Splat wrote:Until Tim can play D and contribute more than random jump shots, he's really just JR # 2.

He is not even in JR's league at this point.

As of the here and now yes they are in the same league

Smith has easily been our worse player since Preseason


Careerwise no, J.R. proved to be a better prospect at early stage of career

yeah ... I am not talking about triangle JR

JR Squarepants perhaps?

mreinman @ 10/30/2014 11:21 AM
Splat wrote:
mreinman wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Splat wrote:Until Tim can play D and contribute more than random jump shots, he's really just JR # 2.

He is not even in JR's league at this point.

As of the here and now yes they are in the same league

Smith has easily been our worse player since Preseason


Careerwise no, J.R. proved to be a better prospect at early stage of career

yeah ... I am not talking about triangle JR

JR Squarepants perhaps?

fitzfarm @ 10/30/2014 12:27 PM
Honestly it's one game... Thjr is our best 2 guard and should be starting ... D fish biggest blunder was subbing out the starting five too fast and ruined the good chemistry they built ... Jr and shump need to go put them on the block and try and get a solid starting c and back up two guard
WaltLongmire @ 10/30/2014 12:51 PM
Young Tim H has to move more without the ball. Did not see him take too many shots that were in the flow of the offense.

When things started breaking down last night, the Knicks seemed to show the same bad iso tendencies, forcing the ball to certain players, and forcing up poor shots, that they showed last year.

Yes, it was our first game, and it was against one of the best teams in the league, but for the most part, I did not see any indication of a change of thinking in regard to how we play offense.

BRIGGS @ 10/30/2014 12:57 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Young Tim H has to move more without the ball. Did not see him take too many shots that were in the flow of the offense.

When things started breaking down last night, the Knicks seemed to show the same bad iso tendencies, forcing the ball to certain players, and forcing up poor shots, that they showed last year.

Yes, it was our first game, and it was against one of the best teams in the league, but for the most part, I did not see any indication of a change of thinking in regard to how we play offense.

If you can play tough D we could live with the O. The problem is we dont have tough strong players.

Finestrg @ 10/30/2014 1:20 PM
For anyone who saw some of the Portland/Thunder game late (or any team in the NBA recently besides the Knicks), it's just amazing to see how much quicker these other teams set up their offense. Night and day compared to how we get bogged down searching for shots...Such a stark contrast. Watching our players play so indecisively -- it's excruciating...We've gotta be the most confused-looking team in the NBA right now... These other teams though...BANG!! They're all in their offense right away and shots are being taken within 10-15 secs max with conviction. That's how it should be. Look at Portland last night in the 4th quarter -- they get into their offense quickly and BANG--shots are going up. Wes Matthews is taking open shots off the good ball/player movement, guys like Robin Lopez/Chris Kaman are looking to score in the post right away, etc...Like Mike D'Antoni or not, I think that's what he was after with his '7 sec. or less' philosophy. Maybe he had a point --- why overthink it? We actually looked fairly crisp the first 10 mins or so last night. The ball was moving around well, you could tell they were in sync for the most part running what they were trying to run (particularly the high screen and roll between bigs & guards--I guess that's part of the triangle. Funny, it looks like good old fashioned P&R/P&P to me, generating the screener with a jump-shot or the guard with an opening to the basket), Larkin was showing nice energy & Amar'e was sizing up his opportunities to score the ball and he was executing at a very high level. Then all of a sudden -- Shump goes out after picking up his 2nd foul, Melo and Amar'e both went out for a rest and POOF--the game was over. It was like someone cut the power cord...How the hell does that happen? One of the few times I've ever agreed with anything JR Smith has said or done -- he said in the papers today that "we stopped competing." He's right but how the hell does that happen?

I just wish we can find a way to set things up more quickly -- esp. with a guy like Larkin out there with the ball in his hand. I'd love to see 'the triangle on steroids.' To be fair, I see some open looks being passed up early on in these sets. Guys look like they're thinking 'OK, I just took 2 shots, someone else has got to take it now.' F that -- take the shot!!! Stop wasting time trying to force something that isn't there. If anyone's open on this team from Melo to Travis Wear, take the friggin' shots when they're there!!!!! I see guys hesitating and overpassing to a fault. They're passing up some open looks and then what happens -- we lollygag out there with the ball, nobody's looking to step up and shoot and we either wind up turning it over or someone takes a forced shot up against the shot clock running down. I wanna puke when that happens and it happens way too much...I mean I'd rather see Acy or Jason Smith take an open 15-footer off a screen and roll over a forced shot by Melo as the shot clock's expiring. The first good look by anyone, I want it going up. No more overthinking this. That should be adjustment #1: make an effort to get into these sets MUCH QUICKER...And while we're at it, we need better movement without the ball. After a pass or hand-off, don't just stand there, move around!!! Everyone needs to be in constant motion -- that's also one thing I don't see enough of. Better player movement = adjustment #2.

Adjustment #3 -- it was good to see Amar'e in the SL. I like it. I was calling for it and I didn't think Fish was gonna do it. Glad he did. We saw the fruit it could bear early on before the wheels fell off last night...Stay with it now and don't look back. First off, on track record alone, Amar'e Stoudemire deserves to start...For all the anti-Amar'e guys out there -- not sure what you guys are seeing. Here's a guy that is still a very effective scorer in this league. I'm sorry but when this guy gets the ball in his sweet spot and he's got room to operate (say anywhere 15' and in), I want him looking for his shot, whether it's poppin' an open J, moving in closer for a post up move or looking to take a guy right to the rim. He's gotta be 50+% shooter in that range, and I'm sure it's even higher the closer he gets to the basket. What would you rather see -- a high % shot attempt by Amar'e or a 23 foot heave by JR Smith or THJ? Gimmie Amar'e looking for his all day in that comparison. Forget what he doesn't do well -- focus on what he does do well and milk it like there's no tomorrow!! We have other players to cover for his shotcomings. I will continue to be 'glass half full' with this guy until he's no longer in a Knick uniform.

And adjustment #4 -- like we were discussing in another thread, play Cole Aldrich more. Control what you can control -- if there's a way to win the rebounding battle or at least keep pace with these other premier rebounding teams by giving Cole some time because the man's our best rebounder, then he needs to play. Let's not pull a Mike Woodson and have Cole stuffed away in an attic somewhere covered in mothballs for 90% of the season. Dust him off now and send him out there with a simple mission -- rebound the ball and defend the rim. He can do that. He showed it at Kansas in college and we all saw it with our own eyes last year. We may not see it every single play -- he's may miss an easy bunny inside, he may get beat for a rebound or get scored on inside...it's over time with him out there that I feel we'll reap the benefits. He needs to be playing.

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