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BRIGGS wrote:What a nasty downgrade this has turned out to be. This entire trade may be 1 that makes I Thomas trades look good.

On a side note there seems to be a lot of doom and gloom after a loss. The Knicks have beaten some good teams and I thought looked good in the first half last night. Some overreacting in my opinion. Not sure why Dalembert is even being discussed. The guy holds his own to Tyson unless you are missing a guy that has to get a certain number of lobs to play focused.

He fits in with Dallas because he has a 7 footer that is agile/mobile/long/high IQ and can rebound/alter shots on DEFENSE
He might not be a DPOY but he is quite under rated as a team defender/rebounder

So how Chandler looks in Dallas is irrelevent, he clearly didn't fit in with OFF or DEF on our roster

I love reading your posts however, especially analysis of youth in the NCAAA during about the draft

But,
You have been going back and forth see sawing on every move we make
Briggs, flip flopping a bit too much the past 2 years

There was a point where you thought we should have targetted Kelly Olynicks and Nate Walters with a trade with CA
You also would have used the pick to draft at 24 on Nate Walters and Mike Muscula

You go from trade CA to great move to keep him
You go from saying to keep CA rather than lose him for nothing
Then back n forth, if we keep him then we are stuck in the middle (the worse possible place to be in the NBA)

Saying we need to go young then
Complaining about 1.7m for Larkin who is a mistake, technically who is a developing PG that is kind of a rookie

It goes up and down, just like our emotions go as fans of NYK's I guess, still much respect to you sticking out your own predictions and analysis prior to the draft
Even if I may disagree with them

I haven't watched Jared Cunningham play but he was once praised as Westbrook lite by ex Coach Carlise and Briggs
If there is any game in him, playing in practice and learning off CP3 should do wonders for his career

Look at Darren Collison and Bledsoe's development....

I honestly think Cole Aldrich should currently be our starting Center
I just like his BIG ACTIVE body, it wears downs on our opponents, and he has the best POST UP game our of our legit Centers and is quite under rated for his ability to pass when given the cuttors actually cut
His PT is way too incosistent with our need at Center to be consistent
Dalembert is way too old while I appreciate his effort and hustle, he is like the aging player that should have retired 10 years ago in NB2k but seems to have spurts of athleticism/abilities every play so often that reminds us that he was once very agile/athletic/mobile like a player like Jermaine Oneil was
I like what I saw off JO from the minutes he played in GS last season, then again I like what I saw off Kmart when he actually played too

When AB returns to NBA shape (allow him to play 10-15 games to get his legs first)
I would like to see how he can contribute to the Triangle OFFENSE
Pairing him up with a quality PF fit would be the key, who must be a good/great rebounder/hustle player and some sort of shot blocker

DEF, NOT STAT, cause a lineup of would allow opponents to score over 30pts on us every quarter to start with

Calderon
Guard

CA
STAT
AB

Isiah Thomas was the last pick of his draft class
Despite his size or lack of, he is a very good PG

I just don't see why Sun's will retain Dragic with the development of

Tyler Ennis and Archie Goodwin (combo guard)

In addition, with the money already invested into Bledsoe *max contract* and Isiah Thomas
With the way Gereld Green is playing, I also wonder what he will demand this summer as a UFA
I surely would rather have both Gereld Green and Danny Green than JR Smith *sick of his excuses and dramtic unnecessary antics* and Tim Hardaway JR *especially if we can get good value for him in a trade*

I am a big fan of Iman Shumpert but unless he agrees to a cap friendly deal, like a 2 year deal 5-6m total, 3year 7.5-8m total if he wants or signs just the qualifing offer at best, I think we need to spend the money elsewhere in FA
Our unwillingness to spend 1.7 on Larkin's contract is a sign that we are very likely to have our limits to keeping Iman Shumpert
He has been great for us recently but other than that, he probably is closer to a short term deal in the range of 2-3m for a 2 year deal, so 4-6m total, till he can show some more consistency in a system
Woodson really screwed up his development and I believe we are now seeing what Iman could have been

I am comparing Iman to the contracts of

Shelvin Mack

and

Kent Bazemore

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/atlanta.ht...

back to PF/C

PF Thad Young/Millsap/Greg Monroe

Center Marc Gasol/Jefferson or Lopez/Asik

If we actually are able to convice multiple talents to sign for slightly less and become contenders

backup Center KG for vet min

Use 1m in cap space to start his contract of with Tenacious to make up for going to the D League instead of Europe/Greece, so we can lock him in to a 3year deal so no future poison pills

Use Cole Alrich's early bird rights to go over the cap and use the FULL 5m MLE (will be 6m next year)
Possbily dividing it into 2 players like

Randy Foye
Gereld Green
Danny Green
KJ McDaniels

maybe even cap space for some of the above as well, I think all will be very good role players if we have a legit foundation of talent
With Cap space, Probably a contract starting of 1-2.2m for KJ McDaniels and about 3m for Randy Foye
While both Green's sign for the MLE, would be very cost efficient rotation of G/F's and Foye is a PG/SG with 40% 3pt shooting ability and both Green's are high % 3pt snipers as well

BRIGGS wrote:What a nasty downgrade this has turned out to be. This entire trade may be 1 that makes I Thomas trades look good.

This is news to the Knicks? Sam has been done for a while now. Tyson at least showed flashes.

RonRon wrote:Tyson lack of skills cleary doesn't fit in with the Triangle and he is not a great help defender and there isn't anyone that can help him when he goes out to help others
Chandler was clearly frustrated with the roster/playing style/system/lack of defensive players, he had to go

He fits in with Dallas because he has a 7 footer that is agile/mobile/long/high IQ and can rebound/alter shots on DEFENSE
He might not be a DPOY but he is quite under rated as a team defender/rebounder

So how Chandler looks in Dallas is irrelevent, he clearly didn't fit in with OFF or DEF on our roster

I love reading your posts however, especially analysis of youth in the NCAAA during about the draft

But,
You have been going back and forth see sawing on every move we make
Briggs, flip flopping a bit too much the past 2 years

There was a point where you thought we should have targetted Kelly Olynicks and Nate Walters with a trade with CA
You also would have used the pick to draft at 24 on Nate Walters and Mike Muscula

You go from trade CA to great move to keep him
You go from saying to keep CA rather than lose him for nothing
Then back n forth, if we keep him then we are stuck in the middle (the worse possible place to be in the NBA)

Saying we need to go young then
Complaining about 1.7m for Larkin who is a mistake, technically who is a developing PG that is kind of a rookie

It goes up and down, just like our emotions go as fans of NYK's I guess, still much respect to you sticking out your own predictions and analysis prior to the draft
Even if I may disagree with them

I haven't watched Jared Cunningham play but he was once praised as Westbrook lite by ex Coach Carlise and Briggs
If there is any game in him, playing in practice and learning off CP3 should do wonders for his career

Look at Darren Collison and Bledsoe's development....

knicks1248 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Tyson is having a very good start

As are the Mavs to say the least

Their offense is like a well oiled machine

They don't run TRIANGLE either and haven't

For well over a decade and they done nothing

But kick out 50 win season after 50 win season

Tyson and Dirk are the only Mavs from their chip team

And most of the players have only played

With each for a year or two or not at all

The Mavs are my pick to come out the West

There's nothing Phil can say to me, to justify

Thinking Dalembert is a fit for the triangle and not Tyson

I don't care that he traded Tyson away, I care about his reasoning

Oh and don't look now but we have one of the

Worst offenses in the entire NBA

I think you should look now, because we are top 10 in assist, 16th in fg %, 12th in overall offense efficiency..

Are going to spend a little time researching before you just post what you think

Yo homie just wanted to know

What you thought of this well oiled machine last night

I didn't stutter

babyKnicks wrote:Stop saying cole Aldrich should start. It is embarrassing you. He's foul prone and has minimal offensive skills. Jeez. Solid back up.

don't embarrass yourself. Aldrich is always in plus territory and is a very good passer and rebounder.

What does foul prone have to do with starting?

jeeeeeeeez

mreinman wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Stop saying cole Aldrich should start. It is embarrassing you. He's foul prone and has minimal offensive skills. Jeez. Solid back up.

don't embarrass yourself. Aldrich is always in plus territory and is a very good passer and rebounder.

What does foul prone have to do with starting?

jeeeeeeeez

What does shooting at the wrong part of the basket and middle school hook shots have to do with starting?

Shump is GOAT!

yellowboy90 wrote:As good as Tyson has looked to start those lobs he is getting would not really be in this offense. Maybe he would get 2-3 attempts and that maybe generous.

Tyson is an H'ors d'ouerve, not a main course. It's funny forevermore (ravens cawing loudly) if anyone cites him as a current and future missed opportunity.

smackeddog wrote:4 points, 4 rebounds in last nights game- Flu tyson is back!

21 point loss, played 29 minutes but did have 3 blocks.

I agree, he doesn't fit the triangle really so I am glad he is gone. That said, we really need a center (thus far).

earthmansurfer wrote:

smackeddog wrote:4 points, 4 rebounds in last nights game- Flu tyson is back!

21 point loss, played 29 minutes but did have 3 blocks.

I agree, he doesn't fit the triangle really so I am glad he is gone. That said, we really need a center (thus far).

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

smackeddog wrote:4 points, 4 rebounds in last nights game- Flu tyson is back!

21 point loss, played 29 minutes but did have 3 blocks.

I agree, he doesn't fit the triangle really so I am glad he is gone. That said, we really need a center (thus far).

Do we have anyone who does? I think you can fit double digit scoring from a center on 65% shooting into a triangle, octagon, or any shape.

Our centers have not gotten closer than 12 feet from the basket in the triangle. How many dunks have you seen from our centers?

Tyson would not fit the triangle and his defender doubling of him all game does not show up in the box score.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

smackeddog wrote:4 points, 4 rebounds in last nights game- Flu tyson is back!

21 point loss, played 29 minutes but did have 3 blocks.

I agree, he doesn't fit the triangle really so I am glad he is gone. That said, we really need a center (thus far).

Do we have anyone who does? I think you can fit double digit scoring from a center on 65% shooting into a triangle, octagon, or any shape.

Our centers have not gotten closer than 12 feet from the basket in the triangle. How many dunks have you seen from our centers?

Tyson would not fit the triangle and his defender doubling of him all game does not show up in the box score.