A good coach often tries to use the talents he or she has versus imposing a certain system 100% of times. I am curious to know whether Fisher knows how to call plays other than what he knows from the triangle. Please advise.
I'm sure he cans and there are many sets withing the triangle but I would think most people learn from their teachers(former coaches). He was around the triangle so much more than the other systems he played in. It would be interesting to know what he learned from Jerry Sloan, Rick Carlisle, and the other coaches he played for but was he at those places long enough to be truly impacted? Mike Montgomery and Scott Brooks are not known for the high level scheming and those are the two coaches that he played more than a year with.
I just realized that he was only with Carlisle for a little while so I doubt he learned much from him.
The Triangle is such a versatile offense that there's no need to add anything else. I'm sure they have some set plays that don't involve forming a Triangle to work. Just go watch Full Highlight vids and you'll see a lot of different things that can be run within the offense. Often they just don't execute it well. That will get better and more options will be used as they learn the basics and add on to that base.
I wish Fisher would try other things as well at times, but the foundation of this offense is the triangle. I'm guessing he wants the players to have that down asap, and will emphasize it until they can do it in their sleep.
I think he needs to be a little more animative at least when he is on the sideline. When you are installing a new system, it is ok to point guys out to right spot, if they are messing up. Standing around without showing any emotion is not working
Knicks1969 wrote:I think he needs to be a little more animative at least when he is on the sideline. When you are installing a new system, it is ok to point guys out to right spot, if they are messing up. Standing around without showing any emotion is not working
Phil never played that. Dude was pretty chill most of the time.
Fish is finding his style and pace. What next, his shirt and tie critique???
Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I think he needs to be a little more animative at least when he is on the sideline. When you are installing a new system, it is ok to point guys out to right spot, if they are messing up. Standing around without showing any emotion is not working
Phil never played that. Dude was pretty chill most of the time.
Fish is finding his style and pace. What next, his shirt and tie critique???
barry larkins kid
There not even running the triangle, what games are you watching? Hopefully when Jose comes back.
thejerk wrote:There not even running the triangle, what games are you watching? Hopefully when Jose comes back.
They are running the Triangle. Just not very well. They get stuck way too often and don't reset. They get into it a bit slow at times and they don't always recognize where the advantage is. It will look a lot different when they actually learn it better plus we could really use Jose. Jose is a highly efficient and savvy PG. there is no comparison between Jose and Larkin or Shump in terms of running a team.
The only time the triangle is smooth is when Hardaway is on the court
mreinman wrote:Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I think he needs to be a little more animative at least when he is on the sideline. When you are installing a new system, it is ok to point guys out to right spot, if they are messing up. Standing around without showing any emotion is not working
Phil never played that. Dude was pretty chill most of the time.
Fish is finding his style and pace. What next, his shirt and tie critique???
barry larkins kid
You mean the perimeter player with with 5 shots.
Knicks1969 wrote:The only time the triangle is smooth is when Hardaway is on the court
hmmm u might be on to something... he moves well without the ball
Cartman718 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:The only time the triangle is smooth is when Hardaway is on the court
hmmm u might be on to something... he moves well without the ball
He also helps spacing as he is a threat from the perimeter.
Erm, the goal is to learn the triangle and establish a system for the long term- what's the point in seeking a quick fix by abandoning it?
smackeddog wrote:Erm, the goal is to learn the triangle and establish a system for the long term- what's the point in seeking a quick fix by abandoning it?
The triangle SHOULD not be abandoned; please note that Phil did not use the triangle system 100% of the times. As a coach, it is imperative not to be too rigid. Specifically, when it is well known that the roster does not contain too many players that fit the system. The triangle requires that players sacrifice their stats for it to be successful. Guys like JR and Amare are ball stoppers, and can't defend at all; but, they have seen major minutes thus far.
nixluva wrote:The Triangle is such a versatile offense that there's no need to add anything else. I'm sure they have some set plays that don't involve forming a Triangle to work. Just go watch Full Highlight vids and you'll see a lot of different things that can be run within the offense. Often they just don't execute it well. That will get better and more options will be used as they learn the basics and add on to that base.
Coach Steve Kerr would disagree
He has used all his experiences as a player/GM/anaylst to fit in with the strenghts of his roster
It is a copy cat league and he has used what has worked in the past for Curry/Klay, adding in theories of SSOL, Poppavich's current system, and bits and parts of the Triangle
Poppavich currently doesn't run as many X and O's plays and promotes high IQ players that plays unselfishly and makes plays for each other
While the triangle is a good system, our current rotations/lineups simply cannot execute it without a player that can initiate through the post and facilitate at the same time effeciently/effectively
We do not have a POST player and a dominant force....
We have lots of players that FIT in with PnR and it should be emphasized more, especially with Larkin's speed/quickness and STAT's bread and butter
Add that in with the shooters in CA, Tim Hardaway JR, JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Calderon when he returns, Larkin's ability to shoot, Travis Wear, and Jason Smith, it would make sense to do what works for the roster
Take steps in implimenting the Triangle but do not banish other systems that would work for the team
Majority of the roster will not be brought back to execute to Triangle, so why spend so much time for them to learn the system when they clearly just do not get it
Again, I am not abandoning the Triangle, I am trying to win games and not force the situation
