Knicks · Phil Gives Critique On Melo (page 1)

Phil delivers here, he has nothing to lose demanding

Absolute excellence and the best from the $125mil centerpiece

If Melo doesn't start playing like a Underrated Superstar

Then he'll find out soon enough that he's not good enough

To stick around too much longer

He's being constructively positive but the more Melo

Plays defiant, I don't think will Phil will accept this kind of play from him

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Bonn1997 wrote:"Not good enough to stick around"
Melo has a no trade clause. He's here as long as he wants to be. He's like a professor with tenure and 300 times the salary

I'm hoping the pressure breaks him to want out

Nothing like getting chased out of your hometown

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:"Not good enough to stick around"
Melo has a no trade clause. He's here as long as he wants to be. He's like a professor with tenure and 300 times the salary

I'm hoping the pressure breaks him to want out

Nothing like getting chased out of your hometown

that doesn't work especially when a guy loves his money more than anything. We hoped H20, Mcdyess, MArbury & Amare would trade themselves. IT just doesn't happen. He's here for minimum 5yrs

gunsnewing wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:"Not good enough to stick around"
Melo has a no trade clause. He's here as long as he wants to be. He's like a professor with tenure and 300 times the salary

I'm hoping the pressure breaks him to want out

Nothing like getting chased out of your hometown

that doesn't work especially when a guy loves his money more than anything. We hoped H20, Mcdyess, MArbury & Amare would trade themselves. IT just doesn't happen. He's here for minimum 5yrs

Consider how Amare was perceived when he came here compared to now. Very same thing will likely happen to Melo. He'll slow down to molasses compared to the younger players he faces every night and his moves will become even more limited.

Then you'll have guys arguing that you have to start Melo because he's still our 2nd or 3rd best offensive option. Meanwhile, he'll be banking his $6,300 per minute wherever he sits or stands.

newyorknewyork wrote:Or Melo could continue to do what he did yesterday after the critique and drop more 25-9-7 games while the cap rises 20mil and we keep our draft picks. And Phil Improves the overall talent IQ and leadership of the team.

Not discounting that is possible. Aside from my reservations about his motivation and IQ, the one thing mostly outside of his control is father time. Slowing down for a player like him requires intelligent adjustments to your game. I lack confidence in his ability to do that.

Oh well, at least you'll always have the cellulite to talk about.

Splat wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Or Melo could continue to do what he did yesterday after the critique and drop more 25-9-7 games while the cap rises 20mil and we keep our draft picks. And Phil Improves the overall talent IQ and leadership of the team.

Not discounting that is possible. Aside from my reservations about his motivation and IQ, the one thing mostly outside of his control is father time. Slowing down for a player like him requires intelligent adjustments to your game. I lack confidence in his ability to do that.

Maybe you expect a daily triple double? Im looking for you praise Melo here now, he's shooting very poorly and is the best player on a bad team but as someone here who claims to not have an agenda your saying you dont see him changing his game?

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Or Melo could continue to do what he did yesterday after the critique and drop more 25-9-7 games while the cap rises 20mil and we keep our draft picks. And Phil Improves the overall talent IQ and leadership of the team.

Not discounting that is possible. Aside from my reservations about his motivation and IQ, the one thing mostly outside of his control is father time. Slowing down for a player like him requires intelligent adjustments to your game. I lack confidence in his ability to do that.

and yet he's already making adjustments. It literally happening under your nose and you refuse to see? He's on pace for career high assists and low TOs and you "lack confidence in ability to change." Maybe father time is having an effect on your eyes?

Maybe you expect a daily triple double? Im looking for you praise Melo here now, he's shooting very poorly and is the best player on a bad team but as someone here who claims to not have an agenda your saying you dont see him changing his game?

.... breathe ...........

I've complimented during game threads on good dishes and good defensive plays. It is not like I'm immune to appreciating any player's good plays in spite of a general opinion about them.

You are responding about the present tense, yet my post was clearly about the 5 year implications of age.

If he truly expands his game with consistency this season and has game winning assists, then I'd like to see him do that for five years. Why not? That would be great. I'm skeptical of him doing that though, particularly in regards to his own offensive moves. In that light, his contributions as a passer may become even more necessary and I'd like to see him push that part of his game.

A good comparable might be Paul Pierce. He has been able to get off his shots late in his career. Theoretically, Melo's game has enough in common that he could still do the same even as his mobility and athleticism declines. But I think Pierce is a more savvy player even if that was not his rep earlier in his career. It would be good if Melo did things that garnered him the same evolutionary results.

For that to be the case, I'd need to see Melo show full awareness in critical late game situations with consistency. If he only shoots whether he has a good look or not, I will still say his tendency to regress is there. He may be our stud, so he should shoot late, but if his game is complete, he will become more dangerous in tight situations if he becomes just as prone to hit an open man as he is to shoot it.

OK, you can sheath your daggers now.

But at least Phil is on the UK
And reading F500one posts

Its about being right
than basketball.

who's right

rather than

the knicks

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Or Melo could continue to do what he did yesterday after the critique and drop more 25-9-7 games while the cap rises 20mil and we keep our draft picks. And Phil Improves the overall talent IQ and leadership of the team.

Not discounting that is possible. Aside from my reservations about his motivation and IQ, the one thing mostly outside of his control is father time. Slowing down for a player like him requires intelligent adjustments to your game. I lack confidence in his ability to do that.

and yet he's already making adjustments. It literally happening under your nose and you refuse to see? He's on pace for career high assists and low TOs and you "lack confidence in ability to change." Maybe father time is having an effect on your eyes?

Maybe you expect a daily triple double? Im looking for you praise Melo here now, he's shooting very poorly and is the best player on a bad team but as someone here who claims to not have an agenda your saying you dont see him changing his game?

.... breathe ...........

I've complimented during game threads on good dishes and good defensive plays. It is not like I'm immune to appreciating any player's good plays in spite of a general opinion about them.

You are responding about the present tense, yet my post was clearly about the 5 year implications of age.

If he truly expands his game with consistency this season and has game winning assists, then I'd like to see him do that for five years. Why not? That would be great. I'm skeptical of him doing that though, particularly in regards to his own offensive moves. In that light, his contributions as a passer may become even more necessary and I'd like to see him push that part of his game.

A good comparable might be Paul Pierce. He has been able to get off his shots late in his career. Theoretically, Melo's game has enough in common that he could still do the same even as his mobility and athleticism declines. But I think Pierce is a more savvy player even if that was not his rep earlier in his career. It would be good if Melo did things that garnered him the same evolutionary results.

For that to be the case, I'd need to see Melo show full awareness in critical late game situations with consistency. If he only shoots whether he has a good look or not, I will still say his tendency to regress is there. He may be our stud, so he should shoot late, but if his game is complete, he will become more dangerous in tight situations if he becomes just as prone to hit an open man as he is to shoot it.

OK, you can sheath your daggers now.

Splat some have higher standards

Hence Phil didn't look at Melo's career stat sheet

And start doing 8gm comparisons to his career numbers

Phil is analyzing how Melo plays the game, how he thinks the game

We play a different system that by default will have players producing

Different numbers in different categories some for better or worse

It doesn't mean they've changed or are changing

Fishmike wants those like you and I, the cerebral to lessen the burden

Of guilt on Melo, henpecking game performances and specific stats to

Comfort the brokenhearted but won't do the same for other players

E.G. Shumpert who has also improved statistically thus far

Nope his reply for such player he doesn't particularly care for is

"Let's see what his numbers are at the end of the season"

For the record I don't care for either but the hypocrisy

Always rears it's ugly head with certain posters

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Or Melo could continue to do what he did yesterday after the critique and drop more 25-9-7 games while the cap rises 20mil and we keep our draft picks. And Phil Improves the overall talent IQ and leadership of the team.

Not discounting that is possible. Aside from my reservations about his motivation and IQ, the one thing mostly outside of his control is father time. Slowing down for a player like him requires intelligent adjustments to your game. I lack confidence in his ability to do that.

and yet he's already making adjustments. It literally happening under your nose and you refuse to see? He's on pace for career high assists and low TOs and you "lack confidence in ability to change." Maybe father time is having an effect on your eyes?

Maybe you expect a daily triple double? Im looking for you praise Melo here now, he's shooting very poorly and is the best player on a bad team but as someone here who claims to not have an agenda your saying you dont see him changing his game?

.... breathe ...........

I've complimented during game threads on good dishes and good defensive plays. It is not like I'm immune to appreciating any player's good plays in spite of a general opinion about them.

You are responding about the present tense, yet my post was clearly about the 5 year implications of age.

If he truly expands his game with consistency this season and has game winning assists, then I'd like to see him do that for five years. Why not? That would be great. I'm skeptical of him doing that though, particularly in regards to his own offensive moves. In that light, his contributions as a passer may become even more necessary and I'd like to see him push that part of his game.

A good comparable might be Paul Pierce. He has been able to get off his shots late in his career. Theoretically, Melo's game has enough in common that he could still do the same even as his mobility and athleticism declines. But I think Pierce is a more savvy player even if that was not his rep earlier in his career. It would be good if Melo did things that garnered him the same evolutionary results.

For that to be the case, I'd need to see Melo show full awareness in critical late game situations with consistency. If he only shoots whether he has a good look or not, I will still say his tendency to regress is there. He may be our stud, so he should shoot late, but if his game is complete, he will become more dangerous in tight situations if he becomes just as prone to hit an open man as he is to shoot it.

OK, you can sheath your daggers now.

All Im saying is Melo is clearly trying to change and be more a facilitator. Now we have folks here dont realize that pro (human) athletes dont wake up and decide what skill set they will apply to their profession for that day. Im also not looking for some applause that Melo is trying to change, only a unbiased acknowledgement that he is indeed doing just that.

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Or Melo could continue to do what he did yesterday after the critique and drop more 25-9-7 games while the cap rises 20mil and we keep our draft picks. And Phil Improves the overall talent IQ and leadership of the team.

Not discounting that is possible. Aside from my reservations about his motivation and IQ, the one thing mostly outside of his control is father time. Slowing down for a player like him requires intelligent adjustments to your game. I lack confidence in his ability to do that.

and yet he's already making adjustments. It literally happening under your nose and you refuse to see? He's on pace for career high assists and low TOs and you "lack confidence in ability to change." Maybe father time is having an effect on your eyes?

Maybe you expect a daily triple double? Im looking for you praise Melo here now, he's shooting very poorly and is the best player on a bad team but as someone here who claims to not have an agenda your saying you dont see him changing his game?

.... breathe ...........

I've complimented during game threads on good dishes and good defensive plays. It is not like I'm immune to appreciating any player's good plays in spite of a general opinion about them.

You are responding about the present tense, yet my post was clearly about the 5 year implications of age.

If he truly expands his game with consistency this season and has game winning assists, then I'd like to see him do that for five years. Why not? That would be great. I'm skeptical of him doing that though, particularly in regards to his own offensive moves. In that light, his contributions as a passer may become even more necessary and I'd like to see him push that part of his game.

A good comparable might be Paul Pierce. He has been able to get off his shots late in his career. Theoretically, Melo's game has enough in common that he could still do the same even as his mobility and athleticism declines. But I think Pierce is a more savvy player even if that was not his rep earlier in his career. It would be good if Melo did things that garnered him the same evolutionary results.

For that to be the case, I'd need to see Melo show full awareness in critical late game situations with consistency. If he only shoots whether he has a good look or not, I will still say his tendency to regress is there. He may be our stud, so he should shoot late, but if his game is complete, he will become more dangerous in tight situations if he becomes just as prone to hit an open man as he is to shoot it.

OK, you can sheath your daggers now.

Splat some have higher standards

Hence Phil didn't look at Melo's career stat sheet

And start doing 8gm comparisons to his career numbers

Phil is analyzing how Melo plays the game, how he thinks the game

We play a different system that by default will have players producing

Different numbers in different categories some for better or worse

It doesn't mean they've changed or are changing

Fishmike wants those like you and I, the cerebral to lessen the burden

Of guilt on Melo, henpecking game performances and specific stats to

Comfort the brokenhearted but won't do the same for other players

E.G. Shumpert who has also improved statistically thus far

Nope his reply for such player he doesn't particularly care for is

"Let's see what his numbers are at the end of the season"

For the record I don't care for either but the hypocrisy

Always rears it's ugly head with certain posters

But yea... lets compare an established star to a guy who's had two good weeks of NBA under his belt. Cerebral indeed.

Feel free to wank all you want over Shumpert's 57% from 3 point. I apologize for not giving proper due credit as his career is CLEARLY on the right path now/////// happy

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Thus far, what good Melo has done has been pretty heavily offset by a commensurate amount of really bad play. His net impact has not been squarely in the positive yet. We'll know when it is, because it will produce extra wins.

If he is having growing pains trying to play differently, then I'll accept that was part of the journey when the proof is solid that he is a changed man. For now, I see flashes of team play and much more that is not. It is still not enough, so I really am not going to clap about his assists yet. He is not playing like a star. I hope he does.

Splat wrote:I'd like to see Melo be focused for one whole game. Not that I can say that for any player on this squad, but that is the standard I have to hold him to. He gets raked over the coals more, because he has to be excellent for squat to happen. And he's paid to be excellent.

Thus far, what good Melo has done has been pretty heavily offset by a commensurate amount of really bad play. His net impact has not been squarely in the positive yet. We'll know when it is, because it will produce extra wins.

If he is having growing pains trying to play differently, then I'll accept that was part of the journey when the proof is solid that he is a changed man. For now, I see flashes of team play and much more that is not. It is still not enough, so I really am not going to clap about his assists yet. He is not playing like a star. I hope he does.

I dont see anyone dogging it out there. So long as they are playing hard this should get figured out.

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:I'd like to see Melo be focused for one whole game. Not that I can say that for any player on this squad, but that is the standard I have to hold him to. He gets raked over the coals more, because he has to be excellent for squat to happen. And he's paid to be excellent.

Thus far, what good Melo has done has been pretty heavily offset by a commensurate amount of really bad play. His net impact has not been squarely in the positive yet. We'll know when it is, because it will produce extra wins.

If he is having growing pains trying to play differently, then I'll accept that was part of the journey when the proof is solid that he is a changed man. For now, I see flashes of team play and much more that is not. It is still not enough, so I really am not going to clap about his assists yet. He is not playing like a star. I hope he does.

yea I agree... he has not been good. No excuses. I have to figure there will be adjustments and growing pains and during those times guys will look really bad. Melo isnt the only guy out there struggling.

I dont see anyone dogging it out there. So long as they are playing hard this should get figured out.

Working Hard, but not yet Working Smart, so to speak. Team did not lay down and die last night. That's good. I said all this earlier. It is why Shump has been at the heart of the team thus far. He is not always smart, but he has made overall more impactful plays than anyone else by far. He is the one who works the hardest. I don't give a flying fart if he yells at his teammates. Somebody should.

That intensity is also why I missed seeing Acy out there. Maybe he has a wrist injury, but that level of effort is the starting point and then you hope the IQ level as a whole squad starts to rise incrementally. Without effort, it'd be a worse than disastrous season, so that's what we can hang our hats on for the time being.

Cannot have guys hanging their heads and moping. I can live with zero wins if I see something that is a tangible sign of a changed culture. For me, that boils down to seeing a real solid attitude in the players who will remain which is Melo, THJ, Early, maybe Shump and I presume Acy will be here. Jose probably has a good attitude, but will he show fire?

I like guts and smarts. I'll start with one out of two. And of those on the board who are caught up in policing opinions, I'd suggest you focus on the same, because if we had both collectively we'd all be happy enough as fans regardless of our current record.

So I'll be a kamikaze, evil bitch as long as I don't see effort and signs of intelligent life on this team. Melo is the figurehead mounted on the prow of the ship, so he will always gets a double lashing from me for failings in effort and intelligence, because not holding him up to a high standard is the fool's errand, not the criticisms. That guy has got to lead by example. If he can't, then he's not a star.

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Or Melo could continue to do what he did yesterday after the critique and drop more 25-9-7 games while the cap rises 20mil and we keep our draft picks. And Phil Improves the overall talent IQ and leadership of the team.

Not discounting that is possible. Aside from my reservations about his motivation and IQ, the one thing mostly outside of his control is father time. Slowing down for a player like him requires intelligent adjustments to your game. I lack confidence in his ability to do that.

and yet he's already making adjustments. It literally happening under your nose and you refuse to see? He's on pace for career high assists and low TOs and you "lack confidence in ability to change." Maybe father time is having an effect on your eyes?

Maybe you expect a daily triple double? Im looking for you praise Melo here now, he's shooting very poorly and is the best player on a bad team but as someone here who claims to not have an agenda your saying you dont see him changing his game?

.... breathe ...........

I've complimented during game threads on good dishes and good defensive plays. It is not like I'm immune to appreciating any player's good plays in spite of a general opinion about them.

You are responding about the present tense, yet my post was clearly about the 5 year implications of age.

If he truly expands his game with consistency this season and has game winning assists, then I'd like to see him do that for five years. Why not? That would be great. I'm skeptical of him doing that though, particularly in regards to his own offensive moves. In that light, his contributions as a passer may become even more necessary and I'd like to see him push that part of his game.

A good comparable might be Paul Pierce. He has been able to get off his shots late in his career. Theoretically, Melo's game has enough in common that he could still do the same even as his mobility and athleticism declines. But I think Pierce is a more savvy player even if that was not his rep earlier in his career. It would be good if Melo did things that garnered him the same evolutionary results.

For that to be the case, I'd need to see Melo show full awareness in critical late game situations with consistency. If he only shoots whether he has a good look or not, I will still say his tendency to regress is there. He may be our stud, so he should shoot late, but if his game is complete, he will become more dangerous in tight situations if he becomes just as prone to hit an open man as he is to shoot it.

OK, you can sheath your daggers now.

Splat some have higher standards

Hence Phil didn't look at Melo's career stat sheet

And start doing 8gm comparisons to his career numbers

Phil is analyzing how Melo plays the game, how he thinks the game

We play a different system that by default will have players producing

Different numbers in different categories some for better or worse

It doesn't mean they've changed or are changing

Fishmike wants those like you and I, the cerebral to lessen the burden

Of guilt on Melo, henpecking game performances and specific stats to

Comfort the brokenhearted but won't do the same for other players

E.G. Shumpert who has also improved statistically thus far

Nope his reply for such player he doesn't particularly care for is

"Let's see what his numbers are at the end of the season"

For the record I don't care for either but the hypocrisy

Always rears it's ugly head with certain posters

did you just call yourself cerebral? Can you complete a sentence or learn the language first?

But yea... lets compare an established star to a guy who's had two good weeks of NBA under his belt. Cerebral indeed.

Feel free to wank all you want over Shumpert's 57% from 3 point. I apologize for not giving proper due credit as his career is CLEARLY on the right path now/////// happy

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We're not talking about careers here

We're discussing currently, if the Triangle has

Had impact on the players running it or vice versa

Has their games changed towards the good for the 8gms played

If you're going to church up Melo assists and sometimish ball movement blah blah

Then you have to acknowledge Shump's improved shooting and ability

To be a more diverse player

Overall any good that either player demonstrates

Me personally I don't think it's sustainable

But of course I have no problem being proven wrong

Too often you play hear no evil, see no evil when it comes to Melo

What's likely to be eating at you at the moment, is the fact Shump shockingly to many has

Played better than your Carmelot in rusty armor who's off his jousting game

There's no need to give baby step progress golf claps to a 13yr veteran underachiever