Knicks · To get rid of JR Smith (page 1)
The Knicks would get rid of JRs contract next year and swipe a young big we could look at the rest of this year.
BRIGGS wrote:How about Derrick Williams and Eric Moreland for JR Smith and Cole Aldrich. That would be a nice pick up for Saremento--they could use both players.
The Knicks would get rid of JRs contract next year and swipe a young big we could look at the rest of this year.
Sac already has Stauskas and McLemore. Plus, the rumor is they got rid of Isaiah Thomas because of chemistry issues. It might be tough to sell them on JR.
BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:How about Derrick Williams and Eric Moreland for JR Smith and Cole Aldrich. That would be a nice pick up for Saremento--they could use both players.
The Knicks would get rid of JRs contract next year and swipe a young big we could look at the rest of this year.Sac already has Stauskas and McLemore. Plus, the rumor is they got rid of Isaiah Thomas because of chemistry issues. It might be tough to sell them on JR.
Staukus is not ready and JR can play 2-3 off the bench. They do not have a C off the bench as well. That would give them two high quality vets and Cole would be a great help on the D for their 2nd line. Staukus is very young and is NO where near ready to play minutes or the level of play that JR can.
arkrud wrote:Why anybody would want JR? Nobody want any more trouble...
They took Rudy Gay when everyone said Rudy scks. Now they dont look so stupid. JR is still a quality vet off the bench especially in a faster system like Sacremento. Right now they get zero from Williams. That would be giving them a lot for nothing.
BRIGGS wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:How about Derrick Williams and Eric Moreland for JR Smith and Cole Aldrich. That would be a nice pick up for Saremento--they could use both players.
The Knicks would get rid of JRs contract next year and swipe a young big we could look at the rest of this year.Sac already has Stauskas and McLemore. Plus, the rumor is they got rid of Isaiah Thomas because of chemistry issues. It might be tough to sell them on JR.
Staukus is not ready and JR can play 2-3 off the bench. They do not have a C off the bench as well. That would give them two high quality vets and Cole would be a great help on the D for their 2nd line. Staukus is very young and is NO where near ready to play minutes or the level of play that JR can.
I agree this would make sense for Sac. JR would fit in nicely for them off the bench. JR is a good as a 6th or 7th man for a spark off the bench the Knicks bring him off the bench but they are relying on him to be the team's 2nd best player which is asking way too much.
BRIGGS wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:How about Derrick Williams and Eric Moreland for JR Smith and Cole Aldrich. That would be a nice pick up for Saremento--they could use both players.
The Knicks would get rid of JRs contract next year and swipe a young big we could look at the rest of this year.Sac already has Stauskas and McLemore. Plus, the rumor is they got rid of Isaiah Thomas because of chemistry issues. It might be tough to sell them on JR.
Staukus is not ready and JR can play 2-3 off the bench. They do not have a C off the bench as well. That would give them two high quality vets and Cole would be a great help on the D for their 2nd line. Staukus is very young and is NO where near ready to play minutes or the level of play that JR can.
I don't see them giving up on the guy they just drafted in the lottery less than 10 games in the season. Especially for a guy who could be a potential cancer. Sacramento already got rid of Cole for nothing once before. I don't see him enticing the Kings into a deal either. Maybe if JR picks it up and the Kings find themselves in a playoff push, we can sucker the Kings into a deal.
I've already said this but we should be looking to dump Calderon as well. My deal would be Calderon, JR, Cleanthony Early and $3 million to the Houston Rockets for Jason Terry's expirer, Nikola Papanikolau and a $2 million trade exception. The Rockets get steady hands at PG, which they lacked last season against the Blazers which contributed to their 1st round lost. Yeah, they'd have to take JR but could easily move him to the end of the bench and play Francisco Garcia, Nick Johnson and Troy Daniels ahead of him. The Knicks meanwhile could get an additional $9 million in cap space for 2015 and Nikola Papa who seems like he'll be a nice little backup moving forward.
Another decent one might be JR, Shumpert, Cole Aldrich and $3 million to the Cavs for Dion Waiters, Brandon Haywood and Louis Amundson. After all, JR is basically an older Dion Waiters with a jump shot; the jump shot being especially useful on a team looking to space the floor. And unlike Waiters, JR would have no objection coming off the bench. Meanwhile, Shumpert would be a pretty good role player in that lineup since all he'd be interested in is moving without the ball for jump shots and playing defense, which is exactly what you need next to three dominant ballhandlers like Love, Irving and LeBron. Cole Aldrich could also be starting at the 5 for that team so all in all, I think it's a reasonable deal for a contender. I'd want to jettison Dion Waiters immediately but we'd be in a far better position with him than holding onto JR.
I'd also consider parceling JR and Iman to the Pelicans for Eric Gordon and a first round pick from the Hornets. Yeah, Gordon is no peach but he's at least a smarter SG than JR. Worse comes to worse, we could always play THJr more minutes at the position. But to be honest, I'd probably try and flip Gordon for OJ Mayo and Jared Dudley. I still believe that Mayo could be the 3rd best player on a contender.
Anyway, Indiana is in trouble as far as health so they could take JR, but were going to have to take back their bullshit. I can't even see any other team taking him on.
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Darren Collison
Combo guards/PG/SG's
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Ramon Sessions
Ray McCallum
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Ben McLemore
Nik Stauskas
SF's
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Rudy Gay (though he could play PF)
Omri Casspi
Carl Laundry (SF/PF)
Derrick Williams (he seems to be out of the rotation, they likely will NOT give him the qualifying offer of about 8.8m this coming summer, which could make him a UFA)
I don't see the King's making a play at JR Smith
They are set at the Guards, will they trade Smith to play SF? Especially with Derrick Williams out of the rotation? Maybe, they seem to like playing Gay at PF, with Cousins at Center...
Maybe a team that is a title contender or at least a play off contender that would take a risk on Smith's ability to shoot
If JR Smith just focused more on catching and shooting, while squaring up for the shot, or make a quick decision with either penetrate/or passing the ball
However, despite his talent, do not expect any team to give a 1st round pick for Smith, AT BEST maybe 1 2nd round pick that is predicted to be early to mid, or 2 late 2nd rounders
Instead, he has bad habits of dribble dribble, that wastes the shot clock, and he is willing to to either do the step back jumper, while off balanced/defended, 6 feet away from the 3pt line...
He likes to take poor shots, he likes to play Hero Ball, he has bad habits that is going to be hard to change as he is about 30 himself, in which he could physically decline even more in terms of athleticism/speed/quickness, which affects all parts of his game including OFFENSE and DEFENSE
He broke the play last game vs Orlando, opting to chuck a 3pt shot, rather than give the ball to CA when he had the opportunity to do so
He constantly breaks the play in Triangle and I think everyone is just done with his immaturity and BS
RonRon wrote:PGs
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Darren CollisonCombo guards/PG/SG's
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Ramon Sessions
Ray McCallum
SGs
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Ben McLemore
Nik Stauskas
SF's
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Rudy Gay (though he could play PF)
Omri Casspi
Carl Laundry (SF/PF)Derrick Williams (he seems to be out of the rotation, they likely will NOT give him the qualifying offer of about 8.8m this coming summer, which could make him a UFA)
I don't see the King's making a play at JR Smith
They are set at the Guards, will they trade Smith to play SF? Especially with Derrick Williams out of the rotation? Maybe, they seem to like playing Gay at PF, with Cousins at Center...Maybe a team that is a title contender or at least a play off contender that would take a risk on Smith's ability to shoot
If JR Smith just focused more on catching and shooting, while squaring up for the shot, or make a quick decision with either penetrate/or passing the ball
However, despite his talent, do not expect any team to give a 1st round pick for Smith, AT BEST maybe 1 2nd round pick that is predicted to be early to mid, or 2 late 2nd roundersInstead, he has bad habits of dribble dribble, that wastes the shot clock, and he is willing to to either do the step back jumper, while off balanced/defended, 6 feet away from the 3pt line...
He likes to take poor shots, he likes to play Hero Ball, he has bad habits that is going to be hard to change as he is about 30 himself, in which he could physically decline even more in terms of athleticism/speed/quickness, which affects all parts of his game including OFFENSE and DEFENSEHe broke the play last game vs Orlando, opting to chuck a 3pt shot, rather than give the ball to CA when he had the opportunity to do so
He constantly breaks the play in Triangle and I think everyone is just done with his immaturity and BS
Staukus shouldnt be playing--he needs time. Hes hurting the team. He should be watching or in the D league. Hes avg 3 pts on 31% shooting--that is not a rotation player.
knicks1248 wrote:give jr time, he'll have a very good time in this system, he's just learning how to play it
He said until around January
Just the right pace for the learning curve
And for us to be successful
We'll probably be like 20-32 at best
The league will have something to deal with then
Meanwhile this is picking up traction
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/...
Some fans are more stubborn in support of a player
Regardless of how bad they play, than the player's
Stubbornness to change their game for the betterment of the team
knicks1248 wrote:give jr time, he'll have a very good time in this system, he's just learning how to play it
If this were Biblical times, you'd be stoned to death for blasphemy, lol.
For all the bashers of JR he's been to the playoffs avg double digit points like 8 times. On our 54 win team he avg 18 a game and was nBA 6th man. Would I rather have a guy who is not trying whatsoever OR JR who will give 100% effort with production. I never hear guys on the Knicks saying JR is an arsehole--I think he just has a bad rap that is more pronounced than maybe it should be.
BRIGGS wrote:The way to trade JR is to find a team with a need for a bench player who has a player or players that have 0 value and a need. To me Sacramento is the perfect fit. What exact player will they get better than JR for a guy who doesnt even want to play basketball anymore? It does not effect their cap next year and it gives them a guy who can score 12-14 points and shoot 45% doing so--especially since they have two good bigs who draw attention.For all the bashers of JR he's been to the playoffs avg double digit points like 8 times. On our 54 win team he avg 18 a game and was nBA 6th man. Would I rather have a guy who is not trying whatsoever OR JR who will give 100% effort with production. I never hear guys on the Knicks saying JR is an arsehole--I think he just has a bad rap that is more pronounced than maybe it should be.
The only players who bash players are those who have seniority on the team and/or are mainstays. That being said, I think there are only a handful of guys on this team that have been JR's teammate for 2 consecutive seasons and fewer still that were here before him. So you're not going to hear about Bargnani trashing JR, especially when you consider that Bargnani is certifiable shit, as are a number of his other teammates. Yes, JR can win you a couple games but he'll also lose you far more. That's no different in the playoffs where I think he consistently shot below 40% with exception to a year or two. That guy just isn't someone you could depend on.
I doubt the Kings take him but he's such a wildcard and they are so young a team. He'd have to go to a veteran team that could don't need him to be essential to anything he does. That being said, I think either the Rockets or the Cavs would be good fits but it would require parting with "assets". I like the following:
1.) Jose Calderon, JR Smith, Cleanthony Early and $3 million to the Rockets for Jason Terry's expirer, Nikola Papanikolaou and maybe a 2nd round pick or two.
2.) Iman Shumpert, JR Smith, Cole Aldrich and $3 million to the Cavs for Dion Waiters, Brandon Haywood and Louis Amundson.
P.S., I still think Derrick Williams is a pretty good prospect. He looked good in Sacramento when he finally got an opportunity before they traded for Rudy Gay. I wonder if the Knicks could use him as a stretch 4/backup to Melo?
BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:How about Derrick Williams and Eric Moreland for JR Smith and Cole Aldrich. That would be a nice pick up for Saremento--they could use both players.
The Knicks would get rid of JRs contract next year and swipe a young big we could look at the rest of this year.Sac already has Stauskas and McLemore. Plus, the rumor is they got rid of Isaiah Thomas because of chemistry issues. It might be tough to sell them on JR.
Agreed - while Stauskas is being over-whelmed right now McLemore is coming on. Biggest issue I see is Kings wanting to put a guy like JR in the locker room when he could turn out to be a bad influence on their young shooting guards and potentially Cousins. Mike Malone doesn't mess around -- probably would want ZERO part of JR.
He wastes a lot of time on the shot clock and he probably should take a page out of how Crawford/Ray Allen/Kyle Korver adjusted to their games
The truth is JR could be one of the better shooters in the entire league, if he would only learn to move OFF the ball, in curls, catch and shoot situations like Fournier did to use
He cannot hold to the ball, trying to dribble dribble, and go no where
I don't know if he will or can change but I don't think many thought that Jamal Crawford would have been a quite efficient shooter and player either who also had a lot of bad tendancies/habits
For many years, JR Smith/Crawford along with some others have been 6th man of the year candidates
Woodson surely didn't help, he enabled his poor habits
While I do see CA trying to change his habits but when JR Smith repeats his, CA wonders why should he try at times
Tim Hardaway JR is doing a lot of the bad habits that JR Smith is doing, HEAVING away 3pters, he hits them at times, but it is part of the reason why we unable to close out games despite having a large lead
Unlike JR Smith, Tim Hardaway JR has a much higher chance to change his shot selections, he should be pulled out EVERYTIME by Fisher, even if he hits it
Now if the shot clock is going down, I understand, but there are times that we have 7 seconds left and you can see that both of our JR's are ready to CHUCK the shot, off balanced and contested
That is not even including the times that there are 20 seconds are more and taking a 3pt shot while being contested but I guess that is another story....