Mavs not only have the #1 offense in the league
Their starting center is averaging a double/double
Along with anchoring a staunch defense playing under 30min/gm
Wonder if we didn't sell high enough on him
Oh and how we love TS% in these neck of the woods
Tyson's is currently at 73% by far the highest of his career
Is he worth another $10mil+/yr this summer
And the Knicks fans 'love, hate, love' player cycle is complete...
But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I completely agree that we bring out the worst in players- I look at the bulls with envy, they've established a hard working defensive culture that allows players to flourish. We haven't had that since JVG days- I really hope Phil can establish a good culture for us going forward.
Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.
And it only took a few replies
To reveal the same counter arguments on Shumpert
My issues with Tyson weren't so much basketball related
As to his smug attitude, jerk personality on court
And what may have been his divisive ways in the locker room
Maybe he was in his right mind to feel players should be held accountable
This of course, had to qualify himself in such conversation though
I think the key lesson here, keep a eagle's eye on players in contract yrs
Especially those coming off a bad yr or yrs prior to
Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.
What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.
smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I completely agree that we bring out the worst in players- I look at the bulls with envy, they've established a hard working defensive culture that allows players to flourish. We haven't had that since JVG days- I really hope Phil can establish a good culture for us going forward.
The bulls won a title since jordan that I missed?
babyKnicks wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I completely agree that we bring out the worst in players- I look at the bulls with envy, they've established a hard working defensive culture that allows players to flourish. We haven't had that since JVG days- I really hope Phil can establish a good culture for us going forward.
The bulls won a title since jordan that I missed?
Bulls sucked for a long time, but once they got Thibs, they established a winning culture. It's not all about championships- their players and teams compete at a level of effort we haven't come close to matching. Taj Gibson, Joakim Noah, Jimmy Butler- hard nosed players who leave it all on the floor. Even when they bring in poor defenders, they tend to improve their defense. It's just like we used to have (allan Houston, LJ, Camby etc all upped their defense because of our culture)
Dagger wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.
What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.
Yeah, Dirk is their leader. Tyson is still an important piece though.
The only person TYSON had issues with, was woodsons philosophy on defense and offense. The sht wasn't working, he wasn't buying, and other then melo and JR, nobody really gave a rats ass.
he could win mvp for all i care. the man is roy hibbert's bit*h. for that, he is dead to me.
Dagger wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.
What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.
This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.
He had a good night tonight again defensively
anrst wrote:he could win mvp for all i care. the man is roy hibbert's bit*h. for that, he is dead to me.
Good news then - we no longer have to worry about any Knicks having disappointing post-seasons
It just proves how much he bagged it last year. As THJr said they were not trying and Chandler was #1 culprit. No worries. He will get hurt or get the flu...happens every year.
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:It just proves how much he bagged it last year. As THJr said they were not trying and Chandler was #1 culprit. No worries. He will get hurt or get the flu...happens every year.
I still dont regret trading him. I think Early can develop into a good player off the bench and larkin has shown some flashes. Tyson should have never left Dallas because he was most comfortable there.
CrushAlot wrote:Dagger wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.
Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.
You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.
What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.
This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.
exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.
Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.
Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.
Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.
Bonn1997 wrote:anrst wrote:he could win mvp for all i care. the man is roy hibbert's bit*h. for that, he is dead to me.
Good news then - we no longer have to worry about any Knicks having disappointing post-seasons
lol true
StarksEwing1 wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:It just proves how much he bagged it last year. As THJr said they were not trying and Chandler was #1 culprit. No worries. He will get hurt or get the flu...happens every year.
I still dont regret trading him. I think Early can develop into a good player off the bench and larkin has shown some flashes. Tyson should have never left Dallas because he was most comfortable there.
Neither do I, although I do regret rebuffing trading him earlier
