Yep
Been harping pg issues for yrs,
Seen enough of substitute pg Shane Larkin
Who starts but brings nothing to the table,
Even if he was role pg off the bench.
You mean to tell Ny could not have
Pursued $ a pg like S.Telfair, D.Collision
Or 2way pg Shaun Livingston in 1 yr
Deals? Without hurting 2015/2016 cap.
You also have our overrated Nyk heroes in
Losing to very bad nba teams all the
Time now.
Don't wanna here about Milwaukee Bucks
Being upcoming good team.
Bucks, Magic, and pending 76ers all
Bad nba teams. Ny need to get the point/pg
And stop losing to putrid nba asbins or
The Knicks will be on their way to 45+ losses
During season.
Not a bad thing when you own your first round pick!
What is the point of this TROLL-fest? Just cuz they've lost some early games doesn't mean this team is on it's way to losing 45 games. It's not the pace of winning losing in a given stretch of games it's how they play overall that matters. They could just as well go on a winning streak or simply play better ball and reach a higher 5 of basketball the rest of the way. None of this current losing is an indicator of what they will do the rest of the season. That's like assuming when they had that hot start in the 54 win season that they'd maintain that level of play for the entire season.
People need to be careful making huge overarching assumptions based on how things have gone early this season. Yeah it's been bad but you can also see that there is potential for them to right the ship and play better as many of these games were very winnable. My guess is that Phil isn't going to make a panic move just to have a better record this year. We all know that this season isn't really about the final record. It would be nice if the Knicks were fully healthy and came out stronger but it's not the end of the world as long as they can get it right over the next few weeks. 12 games doesn't make a season.
Use some basic rules of principle as a fan
1 - Never overestimate the makings of the home team
2 - Never underestimate the makings of the competition
The East is better, this was clearly evident first day of season
If the Knicks do this right they should get in the 60-64 loss range. Everything else would be saying f you fan base.
nixluva wrote:What is the point of this TROLL-fest? Just cuz they've lost some early games doesn't mean this team is on it's way to losing 45 games. It's not the pace of winning losing in a given stretch of games it's how they play overall that matters. They could just as well go on a winning streak or simply play better ball and reach a higher 5 of basketball the rest of the way. None of this current losing is an indicator of what they will do the rest of the season. That's like assuming when they had that hot start in the 54 win season that they'd maintain that level of play for the entire season.People need to be careful making huge overarching assumptions based on how things have gone early this season. Yeah it's been bad but you can also see that there is potential for them to right the ship and play better as many of these games were very winnable. My guess is that Phil isn't going to make a panic move just to have a better record this year. We all know that this season isn't really about the final record. It would be nice if the Knicks were fully healthy and came out stronger but it's not the end of the world as long as they can get it right over the next few weeks. 12 games doesn't make a season.
Reread that before you call people delusional.
To NOT lose 45 games means going at least 38-44 for the season.
They are 3-9.
That means they'd have to go 35-35 the remaining games.
If you want to tell us this team will play .500 ball from this game forward, then you may be the one who is tripping.
F500ONE wrote:Use some basic rules of principle as a fan
1 - Never overestimate the makings of the home team
2 - Never underestimate the makings of the competition
The East is better, this was clearly evident first day of season
Yes we all knew the East was better. That's not some amazing statement. That has nothing to do with the Knicks losing these games. Nor does it indicate that this team won't get better as they move along. Like I said teams go thru ups and downs and that doesn't always mean that a team will continue to play well or poorly based on a given stretch of games. The only thing that concerns me is Melo's health. We need him healthy and then to get other guys back healthy in order to get things going.
You've been going on about this East is better theme as if this is the reason the Knicks are losing close games. The Knicks issues are not about the strength of the competition. It's been about consistency of execution. Part of the problem is the changes they've been making. Part of it is the injuries. Part of it is Fish as a rookie coach getting a handle on how to use his roster especially minus his key floor leader. There are a myriad of issues, but they have been in games till the end and most of their problems are self inflicted and fixable.
You are talking a lot of ISH so far and I wish we had a healthy Jose to start the year and then see how this team would've performed. It makes a huge difference having another good vet in the mix who can lead this team. Minus Jose it's been much harder to have the needed consistency. NO i'm not saying Jose is a cure all. What I am saying is that he would've had an impact on the teams consistency of execution. Having an good PG like Jose on the floor for 30 minutes or more a night is not something to be underestimated. It was clear that he had a good handle on the offense in preseason and we could've used his leadership. Then add in not having Bargs to help with some scoring and I think this team has much more upside than you're acknowledging. We haven't seen the best from this team yet.
Splat wrote:nixluva wrote:What is the point of this TROLL-fest? Just cuz they've lost some early games doesn't mean this team is on it's way to losing 45 games. It's not the pace of winning losing in a given stretch of games it's how they play overall that matters. They could just as well go on a winning streak or simply play better ball and reach a higher 5 of basketball the rest of the way. None of this current losing is an indicator of what they will do the rest of the season. That's like assuming when they had that hot start in the 54 win season that they'd maintain that level of play for the entire season.People need to be careful making huge overarching assumptions based on how things have gone early this season. Yeah it's been bad but you can also see that there is potential for them to right the ship and play better as many of these games were very winnable. My guess is that Phil isn't going to make a panic move just to have a better record this year. We all know that this season isn't really about the final record. It would be nice if the Knicks were fully healthy and came out stronger but it's not the end of the world as long as they can get it right over the next few weeks. 12 games doesn't make a season.
Reread that before you call people delusional.
To NOT lose 45 games means going at least 38-44 for the season.
They are 3-9.
That means they'd have to go 35-35 the remaining games.
If you want to tell us this team will play .500 ball from this game forward, then you may be the one who is tripping.
Keep throwing up negativity but you can't predict how a team is gonna play based on a small sample size like 12 games. It's entirely possible for this team to play at a much better clip than this. You aren't Nostradamus and you can't guarantee that this team won't play much better the rest of the way. Maybe they play above .500 the rest of the way. We don't know. It's not a lock that they will keep losing games at this rate.
It would be really hard to keep losing games at this rate. That's why I still have them winning about 28-30 games instead of the 19-21 rate they're currently on. Those fun streaks happen even to the worst teams, so I expect we'll have a 4 game streak and we'll all have fun and enjoy it. But streaks don't mean much if the result is a non-competitive product. This is not a team capable of competing for anything so go ahead and point fingers at people and go rah rah rah all day long if it makes you happy.
Splat wrote:It would be really hard to keep losing games at this rate. That's why I still have them winning about 28-30 games instead of the 19-21 rate they're currently on. Those fun streaks happen even to the worst teams, so I expect we'll have a 4 game streak and we'll all have fun and enjoy it. But streaks don't mean much if the result is a non-competitive product. This is not a team capable of competing for anything so go ahead and point fingers at people and go rah rah rah all day long if it makes you happy.
That is what worries me is those half azz tank jobs. Usually leaves the Knicks in the wrong position to pick up great talent.
Vmart wrote:Splat wrote:It would be really hard to keep losing games at this rate. That's why I still have them winning about 28-30 games instead of the 19-21 rate they're currently on. Those fun streaks happen even to the worst teams, so I expect we'll have a 4 game streak and we'll all have fun and enjoy it. But streaks don't mean much if the result is a non-competitive product. This is not a team capable of competing for anything so go ahead and point fingers at people and go rah rah rah all day long if it makes you happy.
That is what worries me is those half azz tank jobs. Usually leaves the Knicks in the wrong position to pick up great talent.
Yep. Sit Melo. Tank. Win 15 games. Let Silver rig the balls, get # 1 pick. Philly cries foul. Phil's a genius. Dolan goes fap.
Splat wrote:It would be really hard to keep losing games at this rate. That's why I still have them winning about 28-30 games instead of the 19-21 rate they're currently on. Those fun streaks happen even to the worst teams, so I expect we'll have a 4 game streak and we'll all have fun and enjoy it. But streaks don't mean much if the result is a non-competitive product. This is not a team capable of competing for anything so go ahead and point fingers at people and go rah rah rah all day long if it makes you happy.
No one borrows time against the season better than Nix
You have some teams .500 or better and they haven't played
Their best ball either, look no further than the 6-5 Bucks
Oh wait they got new ownerhship, a new coach, a new culture
Just like we did, I guess tha's what Kidd and Ersan are there for
To get the Bucks to 48-50wins or thereabouts
We haven't even got into the heart of playing our division
Nor the stately teams out West
Here's what the Bucks got that we didn't in the offseason
They got a great young kidd in Jabari Parker, who's game
May mimic Melo's but he has the steadiness and poise of a Paul Pierce
We didn't get that this offseason, but we're currently
Headed that direction next offseason, hopefully the players
Continue their remarkable dedication to fulfill Phil and Fish's plan
Big Bucks No Whammies in the Lotto
i like .500 ball the rest of the way to be honest. but i'm thinking it will be slightly better than that with Calderone back.
Good points
look we're all fans I love it here
and our Knicks
But they been as bad as Mike Woodson's worst times last year and Woodson got axed' from Knicks
with at least a respectable > .500 winning record with MELO and bunch of guys, which is what we got now.
There is no negativity I am just good at telling the truth,
The team is going no where faster than Dec. 31 2014.
At Knicks pace they will be off TNT and ESPN games prior to NewYear 2015 cause of poor ratings/ boring.
Knicks at least need to give fans something to cheer on
So far
so BAD.
Better they lose. I already made up my mind I dont care if they lose. Learn the triangle and get a lottery pick.
nixluva wrote: It makes a huge difference having another good vet in the mix who can lead this team. Minus Jose it's been much harder to have the needed consistency. NO i'm not saying Jose is a cure all. What I am saying is that he would've had an impact on the teams consistency of execution. Having an good PG like Jose on the floor for 30 minutes or more a night is not something to be underestimated.
Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Your discussion of Calderon is as if he would impact the team returning as a traditional point guard, but the tenets of the Triangle Offense, in theory, is to remove the traditional ball dominant point guard so the defense can't key off of one player to neutralize the team.
I'm not against the idea that Calderon will help, and could help quite a bit ( in a relative sense) but at least concede that the Triangle is simply not suited to this roster and if the Knicks aren't going to tank this season, then what are they really doing? Only Melo and Calderon are clear roster locks for the next three years.
Getting a "point guard" isn't going to help as much as getting more talent period will help. I think the OP does make a good point that if you aren't going to tank, why aren't you at least heavily mining the 3rd Tier of free agency. But again, I still think this goes back to Phil Jackson as a rookie GM. Other GMs have established relationships with agents and other front office personnel and have been scouting and looking at players for years. While they entered this offseason established and with their ducks in a row, Jackson was still getting his feet wet.
Teams that win are strong in the middle and strong on the wing. I don't see how the Knicks continuing to pour money and resources into the PF and PG position, when those should be the easier positions to fill comparatively, is going to help them. You only have so much money you can spend practically, every dollar you shove into the PG position is a dollar you aren't spending to help your wing and center situation. Think about it, Melo is basically a PF, add STAT and Bargs and that is a crap load of money tied up in the PF position.
Part of the talent problem is the history of mismanagement, but also part of the problem is having a rookie GM. He might be pushing 70 and have 11 rings, but he's never been a GM before.
DJMUSIC wrote:Good pointslook we're all fans I love it here
and our Knicks
But they been as bad as Mike Woodson's worst times last year and Woodson got axed' from Knicks
with at least a respectable > .500 winning record with MELO and bunch of guys, which is what we got now.
There is no negativity I am just good at telling the truth,
The team is going no where faster than Dec. 31 2014.
At Knicks pace they will be off TNT and ESPN games prior to NewYear 2015 cause of poor ratings/ boring.
Knicks at least need to give fans something to cheer on
So far
so BAD.
It's ironic - to finish 37-45 the team would have to start winning at a much better rate than they are right now. So, you're actually predicting improvement but Nix still calls you a troll.
I hate losing BUT if we had to be bad this is the year to be bad because we have our first round pick( doesnt happen very often since 2000) If we can get a top 3 pick and then clear the horrible contracts we can get more talent next summer. next Year we dont have our pick BUT hopefully we will be much better and it will be a late rounder
nixluva wrote:Splat wrote:nixluva wrote:What is the point of this TROLL-fest? Just cuz they've lost some early games doesn't mean this team is on it's way to losing 45 games. It's not the pace of winning losing in a given stretch of games it's how they play overall that matters. They could just as well go on a winning streak or simply play better ball and reach a higher 5 of basketball the rest of the way. None of this current losing is an indicator of what they will do the rest of the season. That's like assuming when they had that hot start in the 54 win season that they'd maintain that level of play for the entire season.People need to be careful making huge overarching assumptions based on how things have gone early this season. Yeah it's been bad but you can also see that there is potential for them to right the ship and play better as many of these games were very winnable. My guess is that Phil isn't going to make a panic move just to have a better record this year. We all know that this season isn't really about the final record. It would be nice if the Knicks were fully healthy and came out stronger but it's not the end of the world as long as they can get it right over the next few weeks. 12 games doesn't make a season.
Reread that before you call people delusional.
To NOT lose 45 games means going at least 38-44 for the season.
They are 3-9.
That means they'd have to go 35-35 the remaining games.
If you want to tell us this team will play .500 ball from this game forward, then you may be the one who is tripping.
Keep throwing up negativity but you can't predict how a team is gonna play based on a small sample size like 12 games. It's entirely possible for this team to play at a much better clip than this. You aren't Nostradamus and you can't guarantee that this team won't play much better the rest of the way. Maybe they play above .500 the rest of the way. We don't know. It's not a lock that they will keep losing games at this rate.
after last night's debacle you need to look squarely at the main issue which is the horrid defense that the knicks were destined to play this season. there is no cure for that, not even a top 5 offense-- so unless fisher puts the hammer down and gets these guys to start pressing and trapping the knicks are going to continue sucking-- of course conditioning will remain an issue in that scenario but he's already playing 12 guys so there's no harm in it.
dk7th wrote:nixluva wrote:Splat wrote:nixluva wrote:What is the point of this TROLL-fest? Just cuz they've lost some early games doesn't mean this team is on it's way to losing 45 games. It's not the pace of winning losing in a given stretch of games it's how they play overall that matters. They could just as well go on a winning streak or simply play better ball and reach a higher 5 of basketball the rest of the way. None of this current losing is an indicator of what they will do the rest of the season. That's like assuming when they had that hot start in the 54 win season that they'd maintain that level of play for the entire season.People need to be careful making huge overarching assumptions based on how things have gone early this season. Yeah it's been bad but you can also see that there is potential for them to right the ship and play better as many of these games were very winnable. My guess is that Phil isn't going to make a panic move just to have a better record this year. We all know that this season isn't really about the final record. It would be nice if the Knicks were fully healthy and came out stronger but it's not the end of the world as long as they can get it right over the next few weeks. 12 games doesn't make a season.
Reread that before you call people delusional.
To NOT lose 45 games means going at least 38-44 for the season.
They are 3-9.
That means they'd have to go 35-35 the remaining games.
If you want to tell us this team will play .500 ball from this game forward, then you may be the one who is tripping.
Keep throwing up negativity but you can't predict how a team is gonna play based on a small sample size like 12 games. It's entirely possible for this team to play at a much better clip than this. You aren't Nostradamus and you can't guarantee that this team won't play much better the rest of the way. Maybe they play above .500 the rest of the way. We don't know. It's not a lock that they will keep losing games at this rate.
after last night's debacle you need to look squarely at the main issue which is the horrid defense that the knicks were destined to play this season. there is no cure for that, not even a top 5 offense-- so unless fisher puts the hammer down and gets these guys to start pressing and trapping the knicks are going to continue sucking-- of course conditioning will remain an issue in that scenario but he's already playing 12 guys so there's no harm in it.
Why does the start of camp with "nothing but defense" seem like two seasons ago? WTF was that last night?
Press? They were pressing the inbounds after every made basket for a time against the Bucks and it just led to more open threes for them. You can press and trap your brains out, but if everyone's going to shoot 50% from three against you, I don't see how that's going to help. Did you see Martin's three's last night? With that buttfugly low release, he was wide open almost every time.
Why don't people end up taking more long two's against us?
