It has a a dleague team, it has 6-7 of the worst NBA teams. There are really only 2-3 teams capable of winning to get to the championship and none of those teams are really that great. I give Wash and toronto a lot of credit for the way they took their time and built their teams. Just throwing LBJ on a team guarantees nothing.
If there were any year the Knicks somehow couldve came in with a good team with an avenue to the finals--this would be 1. But they are just as shtty as the lower tier lottery teams.
There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will.
Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will. Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will. Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker
How many lottery teams this yr landed a top FA, and how many draft picks in the last 3 seasons have turn their respective teams fortune around yet.
The only way this team gets better this yr is through a trade.
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will. Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker
How many lottery teams this yr landed a top FA, and how many draft picks in the last 3 seasons have turn their respective teams fortune around yet.
The only way this team gets better this yr is through a trade.
to be fair we have done it your way for 15 years and had bad results. Knicks1248 draft picks arent bad they actually help lol
knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will. Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker
How many lottery teams this yr landed a top FA, and how many draft picks in the last 3 seasons have turn their respective teams fortune around yet.
The only way this team gets better this yr is through a trade.
We should land a great free agent between gasol, Millsap, Jefferson, Monroe, Harris, Dragic, and Jackson. And having our own draft pick plus some solid young pieces puts us in good position to finally improve. We just need to find the 2nd star and the right pieces to put around them.
Knixkik wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will. Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker
How many lottery teams this yr landed a top FA, and how many draft picks in the last 3 seasons have turn their respective teams fortune around yet.
The only way this team gets better this yr is through a trade.
We should land a great free agent between gasol, Millsap, Jefferson, Monroe, Harris, Dragic, and Jackson. And having our own draft pick plus some solid young pieces puts us in good position to finally improve. We just need to find the 2nd star and the right pieces to put around them.
exactly. Draft pick AND free agents will get us better
The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.
Bonn1997 wrote:The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.
since 2000 it hasnt been pretty. Even the few times we made the playoffs it was forgettable. Dolan obviously is the biggest culprit
StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.
since 2000 it hasnt been pretty. Even the few times we made the playoffs it was forgettable. Dolan obviously is the biggest culprit
Correct he should have been a cheapskate and not allow any of those GM's to mess up the way they did.
knickscity wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.
since 2000 it hasnt been pretty. Even the few times we made the playoffs it was forgettable. Dolan obviously is the biggest culprit
Correct he should have been a cheapskate and not allow any of those GM's to mess up the way they did.
thats why i envy spurs management. They are probably the best run organization. Even as their guys get older they find guys in the draft to surround them well
StarksEwing1 wrote:knickscity wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.
since 2000 it hasnt been pretty. Even the few times we made the playoffs it was forgettable. Dolan obviously is the biggest culprit
Correct he should have been a cheapskate and not allow any of those GM's to mess up the way they did.
thats why i envy spurs management. They are probably the best run organization. Even as their guys get older they find guys in the draft to surround them well
No doubt, but they certainly have quite a bit of top tier talent. if they didnt have Duncan especially I seriously doubt they'd have the success they have enjoyed.
knickscity wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knickscity wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.
since 2000 it hasnt been pretty. Even the few times we made the playoffs it was forgettable. Dolan obviously is the biggest culprit
Correct he should have been a cheapskate and not allow any of those GM's to mess up the way they did.
thats why i envy spurs management. They are probably the best run organization. Even as their guys get older they find guys in the draft to surround them well
No doubt, but they certainly have quite a bit of top tier talent. if they didnt have Duncan especially I seriously doubt they'd have the success they have enjoyed.
for sure. However duncan and parker have gotten older and yet they still find guys that help them stay elite. Not a easy task
StarksEwing1 wrote:knickscity wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:knickscity wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The east has won 19 out of 63 matchups against western teams right now!
If you can't make the playoffs in the east, maybe it's time to shut down the franchise. I wouldn't want that to happen with the Knicks but I'm sure most people will remember the Knicks of this century as being mostly rosters that didn't even belong in the NBA.
since 2000 it hasnt been pretty. Even the few times we made the playoffs it was forgettable. Dolan obviously is the biggest culprit
Correct he should have been a cheapskate and not allow any of those GM's to mess up the way they did.
thats why i envy spurs management. They are probably the best run organization. Even as their guys get older they find guys in the draft to surround them well
No doubt, but they certainly have quite a bit of top tier talent. if they didnt have Duncan especially I seriously doubt they'd have the success they have enjoyed.
for sure. However duncan and parker have gotten older and yet they still find guys that help them stay elite. Not a easy task
They certainly but it definitely starts and ends with that core. Now it seems they have a bigger core, but it will be interesting to see how all this plays out when Duncan finally does call it quits.
It's just not how I see Phil remaking this team. He hasn't moved like a man looking at the draft as a savior. Part of the process, yes, but not the core of his he's gonna make it happen. He knows he has a lot of options tho and maybe if the FA thing doesn't pan out and he gets an offer to make a deal for a top tier young player or draft pick maybe he changes direction.
IMO adding Jose was the sign that he's not going total rebuild.
Best of both worlds. We added a solid PG in Calderon and we have a chance to win the lottery plus cap space.
Time to rest MElo
Phil is going total rebuild, a primary reason why the majority of the roster is on a one year deal. The reality is he wont be keeping quite a few of these guys, and he's already let it be known he is looking to move some of them as soon as he can.
Other than Melo, nobody should be viewed as safe to remain.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will. Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker
I'm actually not being overly optimistic. I look at the East and the Knicks and What I see is that the Knicks still have potential to actually get it together and play at a much higher level. They have vet experience and when they get healthier and more acclimated to the system and each other I can see them going on a run at some point this season. They'll likely lose a bit more early on, but eventually they're gonna get hot. It should happen earlier than it did last year when they closed the season 16-7. I can see it happening much earlier this year and lasting for a few months rather than just a small period of time like last year.
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will. Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker
I'm actually not being overly optimistic. I look at the East and the Knicks and What I see is that the Knicks still have potential to actually get it together and play at a much higher level. They have vet experience and when they get healthier and more acclimated to the system and each other I can see them going on a run at some point this season. They'll likely lose a bit more early on, but eventually they're gonna get hot. It should happen earlier than it did last year when they closed the season 16-7. I can see it happening much earlier this year and lasting for a few months rather than just a small period of time like last year.
i just dont see it especially ágainst tougher teams. I dont mind having an off year because i want a top pick plus we cant do much until bargs and amare are gone
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will. Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker
I'm actually not being overly optimistic. I look at the East and the Knicks and What I see is that the Knicks still have potential to actually get it together and play at a much higher level. They have vet experience and when they get healthier and more acclimated to the system and each other I can see them going on a run at some point this season. They'll likely lose a bit more early on, but eventually they're gonna get hot. It should happen earlier than it did last year when they closed the season 16-7. I can see it happening much earlier this year and lasting for a few months rather than just a small period of time like last year.
Is the Knicks the only team you see making a run at some point during this season? Even last years team won 5 in row long before that 16-7 stretch and still only won 37 games. Imo you aren't realistic, the NBA is a landscape of teams that thrive on talent to win firstly and the Knicks lack quite a bit of it. the knicks could get hot, all teams do.
Health certainly cant be relied upon, depth is..which the Knicks have very little of. They didnt have a replacement for Calderon, imagine if Melo does take some time off which will happen sooner or later.
knickscity wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:There is a contingent of folks around here that would disagree with you. I think it's a tough transition from bad to consistently good. There are a lot of young teams in the East. It's gonna take some time for some of these teams to really hit their stride. Some may never find it but some will. Regarding the Knicks I think in the end they will improve enough to be a playoff team and that's what Phil wants for this year. I don't think he's as focused on the draft as some Knick fans. I think he want some success so he can make deals and convince FA's to come. The draft will be a part but not the centerpiece of his remaking of this team.
nix i know you are a very optimistic fan but even if by some miracle we get in it will most likely be the 8th spot. I hate to lose but i try to be objective in regards to this year. There is nothing wrong with getting a top draft pick AND signing free agents. It will help us get better quicker
I'm actually not being overly optimistic. I look at the East and the Knicks and What I see is that the Knicks still have potential to actually get it together and play at a much higher level. They have vet experience and when they get healthier and more acclimated to the system and each other I can see them going on a run at some point this season. They'll likely lose a bit more early on, but eventually they're gonna get hot. It should happen earlier than it did last year when they closed the season 16-7. I can see it happening much earlier this year and lasting for a few months rather than just a small period of time like last year.
Is the Knicks the only team you see making a run at some point during this season? Even last years team won 5 in row long before that 16-7 stretch and still only won 37 games. Imo you aren't realistic, the NBA is a landscape of teams that thrive on talent to win firstly and the Knicks lack quite a bit of it. the knicks could get hot, all teams do.Health certainly cant be relied upon, depth is..which the Knicks have very little of. They didnt have a replacement for Calderon, imagine if Melo does take some time off which will happen sooner or later.
Nixluva not being realistic? Isn't that redundant? 
