Knicks · Resign Amare to 3 years 9mm$ 2 guaranteed (page 5)
Hector wrote:Why do ypu people want Amar'e back? Is he a relative or something?read the thread. The #1 and only reason to bring him back is value. The whole point is at $3mm a year he's a high impact guy and really helps your roster. The only reason he takes that is all the money he's made here.
Okay, so next year you pay him what you think his skill level will pan out to on the floor....you pay him
whatever a 10 point 6 rebound player is worth. Not good enough - he basically stole 70% of the money get got from that last contract
if you look at it at a dollar/performance level, and I think I am being generous. Just get him out!!
This is not about emotion. Its about value.
gunsnewing wrote:Splat wrote:Hector wrote:Why do ypu people want Amar'e back? Is he a relative or something?
Okay, so next year you pay him what you think his skill level will pan out to on the floor....you pay him
whatever a 10 point 6 rebound player is worth. Not good enough - he basically stole 70% of the money get got from that last contract
if you look at it at a dollar/performance level, and I think I am being generous. Just get him out!!Besides, even if value is debated, don't people want a fresh start? Amare cannot be argued to be a building block of any kind or part of any extended future. You want to rebuild a team? You don't keep around one of the highest profile contract busts in recent memory to remind everyone of the past. You have to clean the slate.
yea it makes zero sense. The Knicks will not bring him back. They have all his medical records. Not even at a discount. Some team will offer him 3yrs $12mil or more and manage his minutes. Like the Spurs did with Mcdyess. They will have to deal with his defensive breakdowns
Probably why it is not worth debating. It's a moot point. Knicks are not bringing him back even if that appeals to some here.
gunsnewing wrote:it makes perfect sense, you just dont agree with it! On one hand its "why cant we be more like the Spurs" on the other its "let have a fresh start and let Amare sign with someone like the Spurs"Splat wrote:Hector wrote:Why do ypu people want Amar'e back? Is he a relative or something?
Okay, so next year you pay him what you think his skill level will pan out to on the floor....you pay him
whatever a 10 point 6 rebound player is worth. Not good enough - he basically stole 70% of the money get got from that last contract
if you look at it at a dollar/performance level, and I think I am being generous. Just get him out!!Besides, even if value is debated, don't people want a fresh start? Amare cannot be argued to be a building block of any kind or part of any extended future. You want to rebuild a team? You don't keep around one of the highest profile contract busts in recent memory to remind everyone of the past. You have to clean the slate.
yea it makes zero sense. The Knicks will not bring him back. They have all his medical records. Not even at a discount. Some team will offer him 3yrs $12mil or more and manage his minutes. Like the Spurs did with Mcdyess. They will have to deal with his defensive breakdowns
We are only talking value. Amare's current contract causes folks to hate him. His contributions last 3 years.. same. I get it and dont blame. Getting him back for what we are paying guys like Jason Smith or Dalembert is excellent. Amare kept us in the game last night. He still brings good things to the table for the right price. At $3mm he's a really nice bench/role player. Frontcourt scorer. His rebounding is improved and so is his man to man defense. Yes... his team/help defense is abysmal. No arguement there.
The Knicks will move on. They are not keeping Amare for sentimental reasons. He hasn't done enough here for that
The only way he chooses the knicks is if he is being offered 1 x 3 on the open market.
If he is worth 1 x 3 on the open market and we pay 3 x 9 .... um ... actually .... yeah, I see this happening.
fishmike wrote:Hector wrote:Why do ypu people want Amar'e back? Is he a relative or something?read the thread. The #1 and only reason to bring him back is value. The whole point is at $3mm a year he's a high impact guy and really helps your roster. The only reason he takes that is all the money he's made here.
Okay, so next year you pay him what you think his skill level will pan out to on the floor....you pay him
whatever a 10 point 6 rebound player is worth. Not good enough - he basically stole 70% of the money get got from that last contract
if you look at it at a dollar/performance level, and I think I am being generous. Just get him out!!This is not about emotion. Its about value.
I read the thread! The IS NO VALUE TO HIM!!!!
There are 200 players out there next year that can do 20 minutes, maybe 10 points & 5 rebounds!!!!
holfresh wrote:I humbly disagree..If Amare is putting 15 and 8 in 25 mins come April with no ill looking effects to his knees..He will get a decent 2 year deal...Amare can contribute to a team who knows how to use him..What u think a coach like Pop or Doc does with Amare..
Put him in a position to be successful,that's what good coaches do.
Bad coaches run their players into the ground, take players out as soon as they get hot, leave players in the game when their shooting 1 for 100, play a clueless rookie like larkin in the clutch, while leaving a savvy vet like priggs who's lights out from downtown, on the bench.
A good coach would run multiple PnR when you have multiple (priggs, amare, larkin, calderone, Jason smith)players that excel in the PnR.
A good coach maximizes his talent on offense and simplifies his system on defense, Like playing Amare at the Center position in a centerless NBA. Good Coaches make players smarter.
Amare's defensive flaws never stuck out as much under MDA, he was so potent on offense, played the center position and avg close to 2 blocks pg. yes injuries have slowed him down, but right now he's playing at a pretty high level,and he doesn't know he's role on defense, he's not smart enough to figure it out on his own and he's surrounded by other weak defenders.
How often do you hear the knicks communicate on defensive.
TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Any critic here. find me 3players who are avg 13-8 55% in 24 minutes. Best of luck
Find me any 4th string big/PF on any NBA roster WHO COULDN'T give you 13/8/55 if- You gave them 25 minutes a game consistently
- They were not required to stretch the floor or learn how to shoot a three point shot at least at a league average rate
- They had no responsibility defensively. They would not be held accountable for their failures on defense to cut into their minutes. They were not required to defend the rim.
- They never had to pass the ball once it was in their hands, they could look to score every single time they got the ball, despite being immersed in the "Triangle Offense"
- Most of the rest of the PF rotation included players who wouldn't crack most other team's 15 man roster.
- They wouldn't be benched, no matter how many times the player dribbled the ball off of their feet and turned it over.Take any 4th big man and let him camp out in the paint, not having to do anything else but jack up shots and try to chase his own misses for 25 minutes and it wouldn't be tough to get 13/8. That most of STAT's shots come five feet or closer to the rim, that 55 percent isn't even a model of efficiency.
Do you remember how bad P Gasol looked under MDA, he's avg 20 and 11 this yr, and 17 and 7 last yr, in fact his numbers are up across the board. Amare was a 5 time all star under MDA even with all the injuries.
Coaches maximize my friend
TripleThreat wrote:this is patently absurdBRIGGS wrote:Any critic here. find me 3players who are avg 13-8 55% in 24 minutes. Best of luck
Find me any 4th string big/PF on any NBA roster WHO COULDN'T give you 13/8/55 if- You gave them 25 minutes a game consistently
- They were not required to stretch the floor or learn how to shoot a three point shot at least at a league average rate
- They had no responsibility defensively. They would not be held accountable for their failures on defense to cut into their minutes. They were not required to defend the rim.
- They never had to pass the ball once it was in their hands, they could look to score every single time they got the ball, despite being immersed in the "Triangle Offense"
- Most of the rest of the PF rotation included players who wouldn't crack most other team's 15 man roster.
- They wouldn't be benched, no matter how many times the player dribbled the ball off of their feet and turned it over.Take any 4th big man and let him camp out in the paint, not having to do anything else but jack up shots and try to chase his own misses for 25 minutes and it wouldn't be tough to get 13/8. That most of STAT's shots come five feet or closer to the rim, that 55 percent isn't even a model of efficiency.
BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:this is patently absurdBRIGGS wrote:Any critic here. find me 3players who are avg 13-8 55% in 24 minutes. Best of luck
Find me any 4th string big/PF on any NBA roster WHO COULDN'T give you 13/8/55 if- You gave them 25 minutes a game consistently
- They were not required to stretch the floor or learn how to shoot a three point shot at least at a league average rate
- They had no responsibility defensively. They would not be held accountable for their failures on defense to cut into their minutes. They were not required to defend the rim.
- They never had to pass the ball once it was in their hands, they could look to score every single time they got the ball, despite being immersed in the "Triangle Offense"
- Most of the rest of the PF rotation included players who wouldn't crack most other team's 15 man roster.
- They wouldn't be benched, no matter how many times the player dribbled the ball off of their feet and turned it over.Take any 4th big man and let him camp out in the paint, not having to do anything else but jack up shots and try to chase his own misses for 25 minutes and it wouldn't be tough to get 13/8. That most of STAT's shots come five feet or closer to the rim, that 55 percent isn't even a model of efficiency.
it is. With that says im still eager to cut our losses and start somewhat fresh
TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Any critic here. find me 3players who are avg 13-8 55% in 24 minutes. Best of luck
Find me any 4th string big/PF on any NBA roster WHO COULDN'T give you 13/8/55 if- You gave them 25 minutes a game consistently
- They were not required to stretch the floor or learn how to shoot a three point shot at least at a league average rate
- They had no responsibility defensively. They would not be held accountable for their failures on defense to cut into their minutes. They were not required to defend the rim.
- They never had to pass the ball once it was in their hands, they could look to score every single time they got the ball, despite being immersed in the "Triangle Offense"
- Most of the rest of the PF rotation included players who wouldn't crack most other team's 15 man roster.
- They wouldn't be benched, no matter how many times the player dribbled the ball off of their feet and turned it over.Take any 4th big man and let him camp out in the paint, not having to do anything else but jack up shots and try to chase his own misses for 25 minutes and it wouldn't be tough to get 13/8. That most of STAT's shots come five feet or closer to the rim, that 55 percent isn't even a model of efficiency.
You're delusional- do you honestly actually believe what you have just typed?
Hector wrote:fishmike wrote:Hector wrote:Why do ypu people want Amar'e back? Is he a relative or something?read the thread. The #1 and only reason to bring him back is value. The whole point is at $3mm a year he's a high impact guy and really helps your roster. The only reason he takes that is all the money he's made here.
Okay, so next year you pay him what you think his skill level will pan out to on the floor....you pay him
whatever a 10 point 6 rebound player is worth. Not good enough - he basically stole 70% of the money get got from that last contract
if you look at it at a dollar/performance level, and I think I am being generous. Just get him out!!This is not about emotion. Its about value.
I read the thread! The IS NO VALUE TO HIM!!!!There are 200 players out there next year that can do 20 minutes, maybe 10 points & 5 rebounds!!!!
Yeah - name them. Not a lot of bench players average that. If they did they'd probably be starting:
That's 17.5 points and 8.75 rebounds at 35 minutes a game - and not a lot of starters do that.
TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Any critic here. find me 3players who are avg 13-8 55% in 24 minutes. Best of luck
Find me any 4th string big/PF on any NBA roster WHO COULDN'T give you 13/8/55 if- You gave them 25 minutes a game consistently
- They were not required to stretch the floor or learn how to shoot a three point shot at least at a league average rate
- They had no responsibility defensively. They would not be held accountable for their failures on defense to cut into their minutes. They were not required to defend the rim.
- They never had to pass the ball once it was in their hands, they could look to score every single time they got the ball, despite being immersed in the "Triangle Offense"
- Most of the rest of the PF rotation included players who wouldn't crack most other team's 15 man roster.
- They wouldn't be benched, no matter how many times the player dribbled the ball off of their feet and turned it over.Take any 4th big man and let him camp out in the paint, not having to do anything else but jack up shots and try to chase his own misses for 25 minutes and it wouldn't be tough to get 13/8. That most of STAT's shots come five feet or closer to the rim, that 55 percent isn't even a model of efficiency.
That's really not a logical argument. If a player has the skill to get shots 5ft from the basket and make them at that rate they should be doing it. The reason they are not is because they can't. You can get on Stat for Turnovers and D but it's just wrong to deny he can score the ball better then most.
You also grossly exaggerate the number of 4s that can stretch the floor out to the 3 point line - the ones that can are mostly either superstars or spot up shooters who don't have well rounded games.
knicks1248 wrote:holfresh wrote:I humbly disagree..If Amare is putting 15 and 8 in 25 mins come April with no ill looking effects to his knees..He will get a decent 2 year deal...Amare can contribute to a team who knows how to use him..What u think a coach like Pop or Doc does with Amare..Put him in a position to be successful,that's what good coaches do.
Bad coaches run their players into the ground, take players out as soon as they get hot, leave players in the game when their shooting 1 for 100, play a clueless rookie like larkin in the clutch, while leaving a savvy vet like priggs who's lights out from downtown, on the bench.
A good coach would run multiple PnR when you have multiple (priggs, amare, larkin, calderone, Jason smith)players that excel in the PnR.A good coach maximizes his talent on offense and simplifies his system on defense, Like playing Amare at the Center position in a centerless NBA. Good Coaches make players smarter.
Amare's defensive flaws never stuck out as much under MDA, he was so potent on offense, played the center position and avg close to 2 blocks pg. yes injuries have slowed him down, but right now he's playing at a pretty high level,and he doesn't know he's role on defense, he's not smart enough to figure it out on his own and he's surrounded by other weak defenders.
How often do you hear the knicks communicate on defensive.
thats because he had a prime steve nash who was from the best offensive players I have ever seen, perhaps the best. They were so unstoppable that defense was kind of irrelevant.
Nash did fine with Diaw when Amare was out as well, they went to the wcf's.
Nash was the man.
MDA tried to out gun in NY but it did not last too long.
Amare was a great offensive player in the PNR. Really great. And, he was probably the worst defensive and passing power forward that I have ever seen. With Nash he did not need to pass, only receive, and defense was not required since nobody could run with them.
I agree with the notion that he should start shooting the 3. He has a good shooting touch and it would unclog the lane and make him less one dimensional which at this point is a bit useless.
I love watching Amare last nite. The dunks, the passion, and effort on blocked shots down the stretch was fun.
Nalod wrote:
I love watching Amare last nite. The dunks, the passion, and effort on blocked shots down the stretch was fun.
It's nice that he cares. It won't be a difference maker, but it shows he wants to finish his contract with the dignity of having tried. I'll give him that.