knicks1248 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
Unless There is a sure star coming out, i'll trade my pick in a heart beat..Whats to keep us from drafting another shumpert or THJ, with a low IQ, AND NEEDS 5 YRS TO DEVELOP, or is injury prone like rose and kyrie.Kyrie was a NUMBER 1 pick and has been in the league for 3 yrs, and Cleveland is still horrible with multiple number one picks. Then they trade all of there picks for LOVE who can't defend, has no post up game, and doesn't fit there system.
There are no durants, duncans, labrons, curry's coming out of college, so I don't why you guys are gun ho about a NBA draft that has a 10% chance of producing a impact player
I actually agree with you 100%. The year to have a top draft pick was last year. The next draft, the available players will be like the draft where Kwame brown was drafted if not worse.
briggs you can ignore the fact all day, but you can't dispute what you have witness with your own 2 eyes. Look how many draft picks we have given away, look how many players we have drafted and traded away..I just don't see any difference. The knicks have been border line avg when it comes to drafting. but if fisher keeps doing what he's doing, make no mistake, we will have a high pick, maybe even #1 overall
But my guess is that phil will trade one of our guards before the dead line.
True the Knicks strategy of poaching free agent veteran talent has proven so successful over the past decade and a half.
High lottery picks aren't solely about hitting a home run or bust. It's about a pipeline of cheap young talent that's cost controlled so you can build winning teams. Every single NBA champ of the last couple decades has had homegrown drafted players as crucial elements of the team. That's a fact.
This idea that draft picks are worthless unless your team is locked into some perpetual quixotic rebuild is warped reality. The reality is that bad management can screw up team building in many different facets including the draft. Look at how a team like Indiana added draft picks to savvy free agent acquisitions to build the team that went to the ECF 2 years in a row (just one example).
Every team besides the Knicks seems to know that they are the most valuable assets in the NBA except us. Hopefully that's changing under Jackson's regime.
I'm not sure about home grown talent
H1AND1 wrote:
Every team besides the Knicks seems to know that they are the most valuable assets in the NBA except us. Hopefully that's changing under Jackson's regime.
We haven't had home grown talent since patrick ewing and john starks..smh, it's been a bunch of sub par picks ever since.
We always pick some middle of the road player thats good at one thing. We have needed a PG since Mark Jackson, and the first chance we get we drafted nate robinson, then Tony Douglas.. It just makes me sick to even think about draft picks because we have ZERO LUCK, none, nada, zilch.
2004 Trevor Ariza
2005 Channing Frye
2005 David Lee+
2005 Dijon Thompson
2006 Renaldo Balkman
2006 Mardy Collins
2007 Wilson Chandler
2008 Danilo Gallinari
2009 Jordan Hill
2010 Andy Rautins
2010 Landry Fields
2011 Iman Shumpert
2012 Kostas Papanikolaou
2013 Tim Hardaway, Jr.
2014 Cleanthony Early
2014 Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Even in the Ewing era, we drafted a few foreign players that never played a second for the franchise
There is your home grown talent, and when we trade them, we usually get robbed.
I hope phil changes our fortune, but from the looks of it he hasn't, his pick was injured after 20 minutes of total action. It's a sad situation, but it's reality.
What about Nichols and Randolph Mprris and Jackie Butler
knicks1248 wrote:H1AND1 wrote:
Every team besides the Knicks seems to know that they are the most valuable assets in the NBA except us. Hopefully that's changing under Jackson's regime.
We haven't had home grown talent since patrick ewing and john starks..smh, it's been a bunch of sub par picks ever since.
We always pick some middle of the road player thats good at one thing. We have needed a PG since Mark Jackson, and the first chance we get we drafted nate robinson, then Tony Douglas.. It just makes me sick to even think about draft picks because we have ZERO LUCK, none, nada, zilch.
2004 Trevor Ariza
2005 Channing Frye
2005 David Lee+
2005 Dijon Thompson
2006 Renaldo Balkman
2006 Mardy Collins
2007 Wilson Chandler
2008 Danilo Gallinari
2009 Jordan Hill
2010 Andy Rautins
2010 Landry Fields
2011 Iman Shumpert
2012 Kostas Papanikolaou
2013 Tim Hardaway, Jr.
2014 Cleanthony Early
2014 Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Even in the Ewing era, we drafted a few foreign players that never played a second for the franchise
There is your home grown talent, and when we trade them, we usually get robbed.
I hope phil changes our fortune, but from the looks of it he hasn't, his pick was injured after 20 minutes of total action. It's a sad situation, but it's reality.
the answer shouldnt be to avoid it either. past mistakes do not mean all future ones are doomed. as h1and1 said, they havent done so well with trades or fa, so are those also doomed? if so, this team might as well fold it up.
H1AND1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
Unless There is a sure star coming out, i'll trade my pick in a heart beat..Whats to keep us from drafting another shumpert or THJ, with a low IQ, AND NEEDS 5 YRS TO DEVELOP, or is injury prone like rose and kyrie.Kyrie was a NUMBER 1 pick and has been in the league for 3 yrs, and Cleveland is still horrible with multiple number one picks. Then they trade all of there picks for LOVE who can't defend, has no post up game, and doesn't fit there system.
There are no durants, duncans, labrons, curry's coming out of college, so I don't why you guys are gun ho about a NBA draft that has a 10% chance of producing a impact player
I actually agree with you 100%. The year to have a top draft pick was last year. The next draft, the available players will be like the draft where Kwame brown was drafted if not worse.
briggs you can ignore the fact all day, but you can't dispute what you have witness with your own 2 eyes. Look how many draft picks we have given away, look how many players we have drafted and traded away..I just don't see any difference. The knicks have been border line avg when it comes to drafting. but if fisher keeps doing what he's doing, make no mistake, we will have a high pick, maybe even #1 overall
But my guess is that phil will trade one of our guards before the dead line.
True the Knicks strategy of poaching free agent veteran talent has proven so successful over the past decade and a half.
High lottery picks aren't solely about hitting a home run or bust. It's about a pipeline of cheap young talent that's cost controlled so you can build winning teams. Every single NBA champ of the last couple decades has had homegrown drafted players as crucial elements of the team. That's a fact.
This idea that draft picks are worthless unless your team is locked into some perpetual quixotic rebuild is warped reality. The reality is that bad management can screw up team building in many different facets including the draft. Look at how a team like Indiana added draft picks to savvy free agent acquisitions to build the team that went to the ECF 2 years in a row (just one example).
Every team besides the Knicks seems to know that they are the most valuable assets in the NBA except us. Hopefully that's changing under Jackson's regime.
Very well said. Totally agree with this.
Moonangie wrote:H1AND1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:IDK if it's the inconsistent minutes, but defensively, sg's have been feasting from downtown, and I think it's the main reason were losing..I think the rotation is also a big reason for our slow start, but those 3 have been brutal..I thought after JR's big game against denver he would start, it was by far our most impressive victory. THJ had a big game, and so have Shump, but their minutes have been super erratic.
Too many 1 yr contracts on this team for players to go all out, too many roles not define, minutes are all over the place, you can't win like that..
Wait a second. On one post you say there is no value in letting the Knicks tank--now you post that almost every current Knick scks. You cant see why we need a high pick?
Unless There is a sure star coming out, i'll trade my pick in a heart beat..Whats to keep us from drafting another shumpert or THJ, with a low IQ, AND NEEDS 5 YRS TO DEVELOP, or is injury prone like rose and kyrie.Kyrie was a NUMBER 1 pick and has been in the league for 3 yrs, and Cleveland is still horrible with multiple number one picks. Then they trade all of there picks for LOVE who can't defend, has no post up game, and doesn't fit there system.
There are no durants, duncans, labrons, curry's coming out of college, so I don't why you guys are gun ho about a NBA draft that has a 10% chance of producing a impact player
I actually agree with you 100%. The year to have a top draft pick was last year. The next draft, the available players will be like the draft where Kwame brown was drafted if not worse.
briggs you can ignore the fact all day, but you can't dispute what you have witness with your own 2 eyes. Look how many draft picks we have given away, look how many players we have drafted and traded away..I just don't see any difference. The knicks have been border line avg when it comes to drafting. but if fisher keeps doing what he's doing, make no mistake, we will have a high pick, maybe even #1 overall
But my guess is that phil will trade one of our guards before the dead line.
True the Knicks strategy of poaching free agent veteran talent has proven so successful over the past decade and a half.
High lottery picks aren't solely about hitting a home run or bust. It's about a pipeline of cheap young talent that's cost controlled so you can build winning teams. Every single NBA champ of the last couple decades has had homegrown drafted players as crucial elements of the team. That's a fact.
This idea that draft picks are worthless unless your team is locked into some perpetual quixotic rebuild is warped reality. The reality is that bad management can screw up team building in many different facets including the draft. Look at how a team like Indiana added draft picks to savvy free agent acquisitions to build the team that went to the ECF 2 years in a row (just one example).
Every team besides the Knicks seems to know that they are the most valuable assets in the NBA except us. Hopefully that's changing under Jackson's regime.
Very well said. Totally agree with this.
we have cheap young talent, Larkin, THJ, Jason smith, shump, Acy, Early, cole, were 4-12.
We need a total overhaul....let go of Shump, smith, Amare, and suddenly our roster will be balanced
Knowing the Knicks, they'll get rid of JR in a trade for Josh Smith
Splat wrote:Knowing the Knicks, they'll get rid of JR in a trade for Josh Smith
Only if we're getting a 1st round pick back!
